Guild Wars 2

Like many players, I came to GW2 because it was a very casual experience that didn’t require me to spend 10 hours a day playing to compete. I did that for almost 15 years split between WOW/DAoC, I’m tired.

I took breaks because I know coming back I wouldn’t miss much. I’ve even managed to craft quite a few legendaries casually playing the game. Now here we are, I come back after a year, and learn that you’re required to raid to get the stuff necessary to make this (hopefully awesome) armor.

I have a good job, 4 daughters, a wife, and 2 dogs. I don’t have 2-8 hrs a day to dedicate to setting up, forming groups, organizing voice chat, raiding et. I’ve been a solo roamer since beta, I have hardly any friends. And the ones I do have aren’t elitists.

I feel cheated and I miss my original GW2 experience. It worked, the formula was different and very welcomed. It was a wonderful experience and is what made GW2 enjoyable and unique.

Now I’m just kittened that I’m denied access because I can’t go full neckbeard status for pve in a game I was told I wouldn’t have to raid in to get the best gear.

Bleh

Furajir.3815:

I have a good job, 4 daughters, a wife, and 2 dogs. I don’t have 2-8 hrs a day to dedicate to setting up, forming groups, organizing voice chat, raiding et. I’ve been a solo roamer since beta, I have hardly any friends. And the ones I do have aren’t elitists.

I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but to me it sounds like MMOs aren’t for you.

You have a few options:

1.) You can find a guild with a predesignated raid time that you can always make. This will save you time because you will not have to search for pugs. This will also help you learn content in a friendly environment.

2.) You can pug the content when it is more well known. It will get easier as more and more players grow accustomed to the fights.

3.) You can opt out of raiding and not receive legendary armor. " I was told I wouldn’t have to raid in to get the best gear." Are legendary weapons any better than ascended weapons? It’s pretty safe to assume you will not be at a disadvantage. If you play MMO’s to play alone… to each their own. I’d really suggest associating with people who can help you progress further in this game… After all… It is a MMO. I personally am glad GW2 isn’t implementing a “click this button for free loot” module.

Perhaps what you are looking for is a RPG.

Edit: Also lmfao at Naus.

How else will I look the coolest and pick up pixelated women?

Furajir.3815:

How else will I look the coolest and pick up pixelated women?

Well… You can raid? Come on man, you’re a father, a business owner, a dog owner (this holds the highest precedence.) I know you can figure out how to find a guild that raids. If you truly do not have 3 hours a week to commit to this then I don’t know.

I will say this though. Even though I can easily access raids I know many others can not. People far less able as you. I believe there should be an easy-mode zerg style raid that offers maybe… 10% of the rewards from actual raiding. Then it becomes a time constraint where hardcore players are getting rewards first… as it should be… but casual players can still participate. This seems like the obvious option and I have little doubt that Anet will implement something like this eventually. The outcry from casuals is crazy regarding raiding.

Also, a bit more than 1% raid… No need to exaggerate on speculation to push a point.

Furajir.3815:

Now I’m just kittened that I’m denied access because I can’t go full neckbeard status for pve in a game I was told I wouldn’t have to raid in to get the best gear.

Bleh

Oh there we go, made up stuff … you aren’t denied access to anything and I don’t recall Anet EVER saying you won’t have to raid to get BiS gear. Maybe educate yourself before ranting on the forums.

Stat wise Legendary armor will be identical to Ascended. The main difference will be an ability to choose the stats set you want from those available.

In reality most legendaries get set to zerker and left that way indefinitely.

Unless you really want legendary armor they are not worth bothering with. The advantages are slim and price high.

Naus the Gobbo.5172:

Furajir.3815:

I have a good job, 4 daughters, a wife, and 2 dogs. I don’t have 2-8 hrs a day to dedicate to setting up, forming groups, organizing voice chat, raiding et. I’ve been a solo roamer since beta, I have hardly any friends. And the ones I do have aren’t elitists.

I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but to me it sounds like MMOs aren’t for you.

“If you hate MMO’s you’ll really want to check out Guild Wars 2”
- Mike O’Brien

Manasa Devi.7958:

“If you hate MMO’s you’ll really want to check out Guild Wars 2”
- Mike O’Brien

An outdated quote. As a business evolves so does its ideology. To survive you must satisfy as wide of a range of players as you can. One way to do this is implementing raids. It doesn’t effect the casual community because they can… oh I don’t know… not raid… While the hardcore community is happy.

Furajir.3815:

How do you figure kid? I own my own company and have plenty of time, but I prefer to spend it at the gym or with my family, hence why I got out of the grindy mmo scene and came to GW2.

Since you are doing what you enjoy (ie. spending most of your non-working time with your family or going to the gym, and occasionally playing GW2), what’s the problem? You don’t want to grind. That’s cool; I often choose to avoid a grind, too, because I can’t stand grindy content, and I also have a spouse, kids, and pets. But not choosing to raid means you won’t get the rewards for doing the raids. I’m cool with that; I have ascended armor and am happy with that. You can’t have everything.

Avarice.2791:

Manasa Devi.7958:

“If you hate MMO’s you’ll really want to check out Guild Wars 2”
- Mike O’Brien

An outdated quote. As a business evolves so does its ideology. To survive you must satisfy as wide of a range of players as you can. One way to do this is implementing raids. It doesn’t effect the casual community because they can… oh I don’t know… not raid… While the hardcore community is happy.

An outdated quote for sure, but it explains why a lot of people are here. Acting like it never existed, like this game didn’t change course drastically, and blaming people for being in the wrong type of game when what they got into was a different type of game, that’s just rude and ignorant.

Manasa Devi.7958:

An outdated quote for sure, but it explains why a lot of people are here. Acting like it never existed, like this game didn’t change course drastically, and blaming people for being in the wrong type of game when what they got into was a different type of game, that’s just rude and ignorant.

When you say so many people you mean maybe 3000-5000 a day? Maybe 100,000 total? At the launch of HoT they hit over 7,000,000 accounts. Assuming a fraction of those accounts are still playing 100,000 seems rather small when comparing to let’s say… 1,000,000. So, judging by this generous speculation this means approximately 10% of the player-base comes to the forums. Obviously these are all made-up numbers but you get the point. Compare how many complaints you see about a specific topic and relate that to the entire population. Game forums in no way represent even CLOSE to the majority of the population wants. They usually consist of the people who like to discuss, argue, help, or complain… emphasis on complain. People who complain have the loudest voice making it seem like that is the theme of the game. This is literally present in every game core-forum.

Also, indicating to someone who is stating he doesn’t have a lot of time to play a game usually indicates he doesn’t have time to play a MMO where time is literally everything. If he’s complaining about not being at the top of the tier then perhaps… MMO’s are not for him? I’m sick of people requesting a reward button for accomplishments that take time and work. If the game consists of nothing that requires time or work then the player-base will drop substantially. This I can guarantee.

Avarice.2791:

Manasa Devi.7958:

“If you hate MMO’s you’ll really want to check out Guild Wars 2”
- Mike O’Brien

An outdated quote. As a business evolves so does its ideology. To survive you must satisfy as wide of a range of players as you can. One way to do this is implementing raids. It doesn’t effect the casual community because they can… oh I don’t know… not raid… While the hardcore community is happy.

Outdated? Then they should revoke that statement from the website and make new manifesto. The fact that raids with unique rewards have been introduced means that Anet admitted that they were wrong all this time in regards to the formula for survival.
Hey if you can’t beat um, join um.

i remember before gw2 are out people are defending gw2 for not having raid.

now people are defending anet for having raids.

quite funny since I used to be pro raiding and questioning gw2’s reason for not having raids. now I’m so casual I really don’t want to raid for legendary armor.

“We’ve always said that Guild Wars should be about having fun rather than preparing to have fun, and this will be a back-to-our-roots kind of update.”
- Mike O’Brien
Is this outdated too?
I’m sick of people who are sick of other people asking something that they do not agree with. Forum pitbulls. You’re not in charge, mind your own business . Live and let others live.
I am with you, OP. Sorry for feeding the troll.

Avarice.2791:

Manasa Devi.7958:

An outdated quote for sure, but it explains why a lot of people are here. Acting like it never existed, like this game didn’t change course drastically, and blaming people for being in the wrong type of game when what they got into was a different type of game, that’s just rude and ignorant.

When you say so many people you mean maybe 3000-5000 a day? Maybe 100,000 total? At the launch of HoT they hit over 7,000,000 accounts. Assuming a fraction of those accounts are still playing 100,000 seems rather small when comparing to let’s say… 1,000,000. So, judging by this generous speculation this means approximately 10% of the player-base comes to the forums. Obviously these are all made-up numbers but you get the point.

Yeah, I get the point, you’re saying absolutely nothing using a lot of words. If you think there’s not a “lot of people” in the situation I describe, just say so. But you can’t say that for sure either, so you go off on a pointless tangent hoping this lack of a clue on your part remains unnoticed.

Avarice.2791:

Compare how many complaints you see about a specific topic and relate that to the entire population. Game forums in no way represent even CLOSE to the majority of the population wants. They usually consist of the people who like to discuss, argue, help, or complain… emphasis on complain. People who complain have the loudest voice making it seem like that is the theme of the game. This is literally present in every game core-forum.

And what’s the point of this? Is this addressed at me? It doesn’t even tangentially touch upon what I’m talking about.

Avarice.2791:

Also, indicating to someone who is stating he doesn’t have a lot of time to play a game usually indicates he doesn’t have time to play a MMO where time is literally everything.

That was never true of the vast majority of GW2’s pre-HoT content.

Avarice.2791:

If he’s complaining about not being at the top of the tier then perhaps… MMO’s are not for him? I’m sick of people requesting a reward button for accomplishments that take time and work. If the game consists of nothing that requires time or work then the player-base will drop substantially. This I can guarantee.

I don’t care what the OP is complaining about. I never responded to anything he said. I responded to someone else rudely patronizing him.

Why did you quote me? Did you feel targeted, somehow? It was not my intention.
Generally speaking. Some people feel sick about other people’s opinions. Some people feel sick about other people’s attitude. I admit, sometimes I find myself in the second category.

He’s right, we need to get legendary armor by other means than raids, like wvw or pvp. Gated behind raids is just bad, what would you think if Twilight was gated behind 100 lv fractals 2000 world bosses and 100,000 events done.

Ragnarox.9601:

He’s right, we need to get legendary armor by other means than raids, like wvw or pvp. Gated behind raids is just bad, what would you think if Twilight was gated behind 100 lv fractals 2000 world bosses and 100,000 events done.

Doing raids is not unrealistic. They are easier than the average raid I saw in other games. People beat them in the first days after release.

Malediktus.9250:

Ragnarox.9601:

He’s right, we need to get legendary armor by other means than raids, like wvw or pvp. Gated behind raids is just bad, what would you think if Twilight was gated behind 100 lv fractals 2000 world bosses and 100,000 events done.

Doing raids is not unrealistic. They are easier than the average raid I saw in other games. People beat them in the first days after release.

Organized groups beat them easily, what about lfg sistem?

Mishoo.5918:

Why did you quote me? Did you feel targeted, somehow? It was not my intention.
Generally speaking. Some people feel sick about other people’s opinions. Some people feel sick about other people’s attitude. I admit, sometimes I find myself in the second category.

The quote in your first thread was the direct result from something I stated. Nothing personal, merely showing you another way to view what you were saying.

Manasa Devi.7958:

Yeah, I get the point, you’re saying absolutely nothing using a lot of words. If you think there’s not a “lot of people” in the situation I describe, just say so. But you can’t say that for sure either, so you go off on a pointless tangent hoping this lack of a clue on your part remains unnoticed.

Uh maybe you should reread what I said. I don’t make claims without describing my though process. This is the opposite of discussion. I can be pretty certain by looking at forum views. I was extremely generous with that estimate. I am sure there are more than 1 million GW2 players still active around the world and I am sure that less than 100,000 people visit these forums on a regular basis to argue a point.

Manasa Devi.7958:

And what’s the point of this? Is this addressed at me? It doesn’t even tangentially touch upon what I’m talking about.

Yeah…. when you take a paragraph and split it in half, often times you will find you have no idea what the second half is about. “Obviously these are all made-up numbers but you get the point.” should of been at the end of that paragraph. I just had more ramblings to say. I was merely reinforcing that by taking what you believe the community wants from these forums, this is not what actually represents the population.

Manasa Devi.7958:

That was never true of the vast majority of GW2’s pre-HoT content.

Sure it was. You have one hour to play a day. Your buddy has ten. He will most certainly achieve all his goals before you. You will always be behind in this game if you are not able to commit a certain amount of time. This will cause you to view the game as unfair, when in reality, all MMO’s are is a time sink.

Manasa Devi.7958:

I don’t care what the OP is complaining about. I never responded to anything he said. I responded to someone else rudely patronizing him.

“blaming people for being in the wrong type of game when what they got into was a different type of game, that’s just rude and ignorant.”

I was stating how I disagree with this. All clear now?

Getting back to the OP: so you won’t be getting Legendary Armor. I’m not sure why anyone thought that legendary armor would be something that the majority of people could get by so-called casual play. Heck, even making the gen 1 legendary weapons require time, patience, and some level of organization on the player’s part.

Ragnarox.9601:

Malediktus.9250:

Ragnarox.9601:

He’s right, we need to get legendary armor by other means than raids, like wvw or pvp. Gated behind raids is just bad, what would you think if Twilight was gated behind 100 lv fractals 2000 world bosses and 100,000 events done.

Doing raids is not unrealistic. They are easier than the average raid I saw in other games. People beat them in the first days after release.

Organized groups beat them easily, what about lfg sistem?

They are not designed for scrubs who use lfg system because then they would be boring for organised groups

One particular design decision in GW2 is that you can START your raiding career with your character already having a full set of best-in-slot equipment. Most other MMOs require you to actually finish raids to get best-in-slot

Btw:
Ascended = best in slot
Legendary = most expensive in slot

Furajir.3815:

How else will I look the coolest and pick up pixelated women?

onevstheworld.2419:

One particular design decision in GW2 is that you can START your raiding career with your character already having a full set of best-in-slot equipment. Most other MMOs require you to actually finish raids to get best-in-slot

Btw:
Ascended = best in slot
Legendary = most expensive in slot

people probably kick you for having the wrong class or build. so 1 set might not be enough.

laokoko.7403:

onevstheworld.2419:

One particular design decision in GW2 is that you can START your raiding career with your character already having a full set of best-in-slot equipment. Most other MMOs require you to actually finish raids to get best-in-slot

Btw:
Ascended = best in slot
Legendary = most expensive in slot

people probably kick you for having the wrong class or build. so 1 set might not be enough.

Let me rephrase that then:
“One particular design decision in GW2 is that you can START your raiding career with your character already having MULTIPLE full sets of best-in-slot equipment. Most other MMOs require you to actually finish raids to get best-in-slot”

Forgive my ignorance, but I’m still having difficulty wrapping my head around the “horizontal” gearing at cap in this game. Where I come from (WoW), there is a HUGE difference between the stats on open world and small group content “rare” items. So when I hear raiders jealously guarding what are essentially cosmetic upgrades, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

Again, I may be missing something, but here’s a thought: Why can’t we just introduce HoT legendary items that require a lot of time/gold, but no raiding/dungeon requirements?

Am I correct in assuming that the stats on the gear aren’t the issue? Only access to that gear matters? Raiders would like some items to show for their accomplishments. Non-raiders want the same. And since there’s no conflict in this game over the actual stats, why can’t they both have their own sets?

Furajir.3815:

Like many players, I came to GW2 because it was a very casual experience that didn’t require me to spend 10 hours a day playing to compete. I did that for almost 15 years split between WOW/DAoC, I’m tired.

I took breaks because I know coming back I wouldn’t miss much. I’ve even managed to craft quite a few legendaries casually playing the game. Now here we are, I come back after a year, and learn that you’re required to raid to get the stuff necessary to make this (hopefully awesome) armor.

I have a good job, 4 daughters, a wife, and 2 dogs. I don’t have 2-8 hrs a day to dedicate to setting up, forming groups, organizing voice chat, raiding et. I’ve been a solo roamer since beta, I have hardly any friends. And the ones I do have aren’t elitists.

I feel cheated and I miss my original GW2 experience. It worked, the formula was different and very welcomed. It was a wonderful experience and is what made GW2 enjoyable and unique.

Now I’m just kittened that I’m denied access because I can’t go full neckbeard status for pve in a game I was told I wouldn’t have to raid in to get the best gear.

Bleh

Yeah well I have a career, five daughters, two wives and three dogs! And I have my full legendary set already!

AliamRationem.5172:

Forgive my ignorance, but I’m still having difficulty wrapping my head around the “horizontal” gearing at cap in this game. Where I come from (WoW), there is a HUGE difference between the stats on open world and small group content “rare” items. So when I hear raiders jealously guarding what are essentially cosmetic upgrades, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

Again, I may be missing something, but here’s a thought: Why can’t we just introduce HoT legendary items that require a lot of time/gold, but no raiding/dungeon requirements?

Am I correct in assuming that the stats on the gear aren’t the issue? Only access to that gear matters? Raiders would like some items to show for their accomplishments. Non-raiders want the same. And since there’s no conflict in this game over the actual stats, why can’t they both have their own sets?

probably because very few people will actually raid, if legendary armor isn’t exclusive.

people then ask isn’t the rewards having fun raiding?

me response is something like yes they do at first but once they repeat the same thing over and over again, it is a grind. The raids would be deserted once beaten unless there is incentive to go back to grind for legendary armor.

I think many people play gw2 because they don’t need to raid though. so you never know if anet might change their decision latter.

You have 4 daughters and have legendary weapons?! I only got a wife and I still don’t have a single legendary.

Seems to be an issue of in game priorities. If you can find a guild to raid with (There are quite a few “raid hub” guilds out there that have multiple raid teams) you should only have to dedicate a couple hours maybe once or twice a week to raiding. Don’t make the mistake that raiding means sitting there on the day it drops waiting for the patch to download then banging your head against the wall for 10 hours that day only to do it the next day. That’s hardly required unless you are going for world firsts.

Even if you are pugging it only takes me 15-30 minutes to find groups usually and I spend about an hour or two playing with that group depending on how well it goes.

Unless you are logging in for only 30 minutes each play period you can probably find time to raid. If you ARE logging in for 30 minutes each play period… well then what ARE you doing? Daily fractals and log out? Gathering? None of those seem like great reasons to continue playing this game.

Furajir.3815:

Like many players, I came to GW2 because it was a very casual experience that didn’t require me to spend 10 hours a day playing to compete. I did that for almost 15 years split between WOW/DAoC, I’m tired.

I took breaks because I know coming back I wouldn’t miss much. I’ve even managed to craft quite a few legendaries casually playing the game. Now here we are, I come back after a year, and learn that you’re required to raid to get the stuff necessary to make this (hopefully awesome) armor.

I have a good job, 4 daughters, a wife, and 2 dogs. I don’t have 2-8 hrs a day to dedicate to setting up, forming groups, organizing voice chat, raiding et. I’ve been a solo roamer since beta, I have hardly any friends. And the ones I do have aren’t elitists.

I feel cheated and I miss my original GW2 experience. It worked, the formula was different and very welcomed. It was a wonderful experience and is what made GW2 enjoyable and unique.

Now I’m just kittened that I’m denied access because I can’t go full neckbeard status for pve in a game I was told I wouldn’t have to raid in to get the best gear.

Bleh

So you miss being 10 years younger?

Ragnarox.9601:

Malediktus.9250:

Ragnarox.9601:

He’s right, we need to get legendary armor by other means than raids, like wvw or pvp. Gated behind raids is just bad, what would you think if Twilight was gated behind 100 lv fractals 2000 world bosses and 100,000 events done.

Doing raids is not unrealistic. They are easier than the average raid I saw in other games. People beat them in the first days after release.

Organized groups beat them easily, what about lfg sistem?

What are you saying? It’s unreasonable to be organized with people to get BiS gear? Getting it should be easy enough for random unorganized people to get it?

This isn’t any different than dungeons, yet for some reason, people didn’t QQ that tokens were locked behind dungeons and that only organized groups beat those easily.

Let’s cut the nonsense … people just want awesome loot as easy as they can get it. Well, since raids are just more complex dungeon content, I would say that’s about as easy as you’re going to get.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Getting back to the OP: so you won’t be getting Legendary Armor. I’m not sure why anyone thought that legendary armor would be something that the majority of people could get by so-called casual play. Heck, even making the gen 1 legendary weapons require time, patience, and some level of organization on the player’s part.

But it’s attainable solo you muppet.

Furajir.3815:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Getting back to the OP: so you won’t be getting Legendary Armor. I’m not sure why anyone thought that legendary armor would be something that the majority of people could get by so-called casual play. Heck, even making the gen 1 legendary weapons require time, patience, and some level of organization on the player’s part.

But it’s attainable solo you muppet.

I understand your frustration with the game, but calling everyone muppet doesn’t exactly paint you in a very good light. Despite it being the internet norm, anonymity isn’t a licence to be rude.

Choices have consequences.

Maybe someday they’ll just hand things out for just showing up……

I think the point is remember when you were playing WoW or whatever 15 years ago, did you enjoy putting a lot of time into getting the best stuff or raiding? Do you really want to deprive younger people of the experiences you had?

Yes, you have a different life now with more responsibility, that doesn’t mean you should ask that people who are not facing the family/work pressures etc. to have their game changed for you.

You do not need Legendary Armour, you had that experience growing up, let the next generation have it now.

By gating Legendary armor behind raids ANET only further alienates a large portion of the player base. Player’s should have multiple options available to obtain legendary armor as opposed to one small part of the PVE game mode. I don’t object to an exclusive skin or title associated with raids, but Legendary items should be available to the vast majority of the player base. How many PVE players would be angry if it was gated behind winning 1,000 PVP games or flipping 10,000 keeps in WvW. In fact why don’t I have the option of crafting it…I have that option for legendary weapons.

However, ANET seems to be on a roll with agitating its player base so perhaps it’s intentional. So many decisions in the past year have been detrimental to the health of the game.

Chaoslord.5439:

I don’t object to an exclusive skin or title associated with raids, but Legendary items should be available to the vast majority of the player base.

1) You are objecting.

2) If an item is Legendary then it should be exclusive by nature (it literally stops being Legendary if everyone has it, I bet you don’t even blink when someone walks past with Sunrise now).

Hope that helps.

Coulter.2315:

I think the point is remember when you were playing WoW or whatever 15 years ago, did you enjoy putting a lot of time into getting the best stuff or raiding? Do you really want to deprive younger people of the experiences you had?

Yes, you have a different life now with more responsibility, that doesn’t mean you should ask that people who are not facing the family/work pressures etc. to have their game changed for you.

You do not need Legendary Armour, you had that experience growing up, let the next generation have it now.

It’s probably the other way around. GW2 advertise itself as this really casual game. Developer even come out with some kind of PR excuse why not having raid is a good idea before the game is out.

I guess Anet realize players get through content too quickly.

Malediktus.9250:

Ragnarox.9601:

Malediktus.9250:

Ragnarox.9601:

He’s right, we need to get legendary armor by other means than raids, like wvw or pvp. Gated behind raids is just bad, what would you think if Twilight was gated behind 100 lv fractals 2000 world bosses and 100,000 events done.

Doing raids is not unrealistic. They are easier than the average raid I saw in other games. People beat them in the first days after release.

Organized groups beat them easily, what about lfg sistem?

They are not designed for scrubs who use lfg system because then they would be boring for organised groups

Malediktus always delivers in such threads, keep it up please.

When somewhere someone disputes that people like you don´t use words like scrubs to describe nonraiders and deny that they are elitist and only want to play with their chosen people, I just love to direct them your posts so that they can see a prototype of such thinking.

laokoko.7403:

It’s probably the other way around. GW2 advertise itself as this really casual game. Developer even come out with some kind of PR excuse why not having raid is a good idea before the game is out.

I guess Anet realize players get through content too quickly.

That’s an interesting point. Wildstar for example came from the complete opposite extreme… they boasted a very challenging end-game, but when the numbers didn’t pan out, they had to tone things down (and make it F2P). Even WoW has had to make concessions for their more casual players.

Guess it goes to show that in the modern MMO business, you can’t cater for just one extreme of the player base.

laokoko.7403:

i remember before gw2 are out people are defending gw2 for not having raid.

now people are defending anet for having raids.

quite funny since I used to be pro raiding and questioning gw2’s reason for not having raids. now I’m so casual I really don’t want to raid for legendary armor.

Well I’m as big a white knight as anybody but I’m surely not defending Anet for having raids.

Avarice.2791:

Manasa Devi.7958:

Yeah, I get the point, you’re saying absolutely nothing using a lot of words. If you think there’s not a “lot of people” in the situation I describe, just say so. But you can’t say that for sure either, so you go off on a pointless tangent hoping this lack of a clue on your part remains unnoticed.

Uh maybe you should reread what I said. I don’t make claims without describing my though process. This is the opposite of discussion. I can be pretty certain by looking at forum views. I was extremely generous with that estimate. I am sure there are more than 1 million GW2 players still active around the world and I am sure that less than 100,000 people visit these forums on a regular basis to argue a point.

Manasa Devi.7958:

And what’s the point of this? Is this addressed at me? It doesn’t even tangentially touch upon what I’m talking about.

Yeah…. when you take a paragraph and split it in half, often times you will find you have no idea what the second half is about. “Obviously these are all made-up numbers but you get the point.” should of been at the end of that paragraph. I just had more ramblings to say. I was merely reinforcing that by taking what you believe the community wants from these forums, this is not what actually represents the population.

At no point have I expressed any thoughts or ideas about what the community wants or how they are represented on these forums. I really have no clue why you’re bombarding me with this and expect me to care or have a reply to it.

Avarice.2791:

Manasa Devi.7958:

That was never true of the vast majority of GW2’s pre-HoT content.

Sure it was. You have one hour to play a day. Your buddy has ten. He will most certainly achieve all his goals before you. You will always be behind in this game if you are not able to commit a certain amount of time. This will cause you to view the game as unfair, when in reality, all MMO’s are is a time sink.

You’re moving the goal posts. The OP wasn’t complaining about his progress not being as fast as that of others, which is a natural consequence of spending less time, duh, what else is new? He was complaining about not being able to achieve something at all, ever, because of time restraints. And I’ll insist: “That was never true of the vast majority of GW2’s pre-HoT content.”

Avarice.2791:

Manasa Devi.7958:

I don’t care what the OP is complaining about. I never responded to anything he said. I responded to someone else rudely patronizing him.

“blaming people for being in the wrong type of game when what they got into was a different type of game, that’s just rude and ignorant.”

I was stating how I disagree with this. All clear now?

No, even reading your earlier post with that in mind, that’s still not clear. Surely you could’ve expressed that disagreement in a few concise sentences?

Is having a few mostly cosmetic items you can’t get really that bad a thing? I don’t bother with legendaries at all because I don’t like most of them and the ones I do (Nevermore) I can’t be bothered getting.

Something about this thread smells bad

to be fair i have a job too but a boyfriend that plays gw with me.
anyway the raids don’t require 8 hours a day. our guild dedicate 2 hours 3 days a week to the raids. the raid don’t reset daily, so you have a full week to complete it.
really it’s not a matter of time. although it is a fair matter of skill, so i would suggest not to pug it.
there are a lots of video about those fights that you can watch in your spare time to see what your role can be.
and finally, as you described how you play, you really don’t need a legendary armor, actually, no one needs one to be fair. even though you should be able to switch stat with it, the way you play i don’t think you change build that often and you can always try new builds in exotic

so your playing a mmo but you want to solo everything? yeah , no kitten of lol

Time to move on man, you are too old for this kitten.

And btw, you don’t need 8 hours a day to do raids…you really don’t. Just watch some video of some guild killing the boss, learn from them, go into game, group up, get the kill, do the collection stuff, log off. Also, you can slowly work on it. There is no rush.

Furajir.3815:

Like many players, I came to GW2 because it was a very casual experience that didn’t require me to spend 10 hours a day playing to compete. I did that for almost 15 years split between WOW/DAoC, I’m tired.

I took breaks because I know coming back I wouldn’t miss much. I’ve even managed to craft quite a few legendaries casually playing the game. Now here we are, I come back after a year, and learn that you’re required to raid to get the stuff necessary to make this (hopefully awesome) armor.

I have a good job, 4 daughters, a wife, and 2 dogs. I don’t have 2-8 hrs a day to dedicate to setting up, forming groups, organizing voice chat, raiding et. I’ve been a solo roamer since beta, I have hardly any friends. And the ones I do have aren’t elitists.

I feel cheated and I miss my original GW2 experience. It worked, the formula was different and very welcomed. It was a wonderful experience and is what made GW2 enjoyable and unique.

Now I’m just kittened that I’m denied access because I can’t go full neckbeard status for pve in a game I was told I wouldn’t have to raid in to get the best gear.

Bleh

Your post is so full of misconceptions it’s not even funny.

You don’t have to raid to get the best gear – you Raid to get the most exclusive gear, maybe the most convenient gear – but not the best.

Legendary gear is equal in stats to ascended gear. Please don’t misinform people.