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Choosing to buy a product that you ostensibly want is somehow a, “screw you,” from the producer?
If a total of 4 expansions (plus core game) is going to cost you $1500 over the course of as much as 12 years that equates to $125 per year for six people. A little over $20 per person, per year. Thats a bit over $1.50 per month for potentially thousands of hours of play time.
Is there any form of purchased entertainment that provides even close to as much play time?
How is receiving one of the best, perhaps the best, entertainment time per dollar spent packages available being screwed over?
If it is purely a matter of cost there is nothing to prevent you from buying every second or third expansion and receiving the previous expansions for free too. In a sense you are not buying the expansion, you are paying for early access to it.
Its a matter of principle and fairness, of equal worth. content of the same value should be of equal worth. players who invest more money and time in a game, should recieve services equal to the resources they put in. if I’m to pay in more, I should recieve more. if I’m going to recieve the same amount, I shouldn’t have to pay more for it. I’m not saying we vets are entitled to more things then new players, but we certainly arnt entitled to less. and less is what we are getting, THATS the problem.
Its a matter of principle and fairness, of equal worth. content of the same value should be of equal worth. players who invest more money and time in a game, should recieve services equal to the resources they put in. if I’m to pay in more, I should recieve more. if I’m going to recieve the same amount, I shouldn’t have to pay more for it. I’m not saying we vets are entitled to more things then new players, but we certainly arnt entitled to less. and less is what we are getting, THATS the problem.
We are not getting less than new players.
I don’t know what I could say here but I see why Anet is heading in this direction. And I’m okay with it. I also see why Vets might feel a sting.
I would like to see people less burned by the issue. I think something reasonable would be a discount on gem items compared to f2p. Tell me if this doesn’t sound enough or is unreasonable. It doesn’t have to be a large discount but something to make staying a customer feel more VIP / Special.
What is it about this expansion that makes people forget that prices go down over time?
I paid $60 for the game and enjoyed it for 3 years. Someone who downloaded the somewhat restricted free version yesterday got to play it for a day. You pay more earlier and you get to enjoy it for longer. I paid $40 for GW1 Complete and enjoyed it for less time than someone who bought all four releases at their original prices. If you want to pay less for a lot of content, wait. That’s what I do for a lot of games. I got Skyrim Legendary Edition for $30 for example.
Lord Arcadio
League Of Ascending Immortals [OATH]
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But didn’t WoW do this last year as a patch before WoD was released? Everyone suddenly got all the expansions, even if you only had the base game, for free?
Here the business model is a question of how much enjoyment you got between to time you buy it and the time it becomes included in the next paid expansion. Note paid expansion. Nowhere is anyone suggesting that a core account will suddenly get the next expansion for free. A player must buy an expansion to get all the previous ones.
So if you don’t miss playing whatever is in HoT until the next expansion, then it’s a good plan to skip. But I believe the feeling is that if you are a vet, you will buy the expansion so you can continue to play with your mates who also bought the expansion.
The inclusion is simply to lower the barrier to entry for new players and MMOs always need new players.
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Its a matter of principle and fairness, of equal worth. content of the same value should be of equal worth. players who invest more money and time in a game, should recieve services equal to the resources they put in. if I’m to pay in more, I should recieve more. if I’m going to recieve the same amount, I shouldn’t have to pay more for it. I’m not saying we vets are entitled to more things then new players, but we certainly arnt entitled to less. and less is what we are getting, THATS the problem.
We are not getting less than new players.
Less value for our money >.>
Its a matter of principle and fairness, of equal worth. content of the same value should be of equal worth. players who invest more money and time in a game, should recieve services equal to the resources they put in. if I’m to pay in more, I should recieve more. if I’m going to recieve the same amount, I shouldn’t have to pay more for it. I’m not saying we vets are entitled to more things then new players, but we certainly arnt entitled to less. and less is what we are getting, THATS the problem.
We are not getting less than new players.
Less value for our money >.>
No you aren’t getting less value. GW2 is an online game you had acces to, and fun in, for years. These people are just starting it now. They waited and you payed because you couldn’t wait. Even if they didn’t go free to play the base game would eventually drop to about 10 dollars, if money ment that much to you, then you would have waited for the price to drop. Yet suddenly going free to play makes the big difference… Your money provided you with 3 years of entertainment, while these players are just starting. In the total age of GW2 they will always have had less time then you with the game. Add to that that you enjoyed so many free updates and they didn’t. There is no unfairness going on here, and if you really think you got less value for you money, don’t buy HoT, wait for the price to drop or for it to go F2P.
If you are looking for a cozy mature Dutch guild (EU) let me know.
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Is same reason why when you buy a car brand new and then 3-4 years later you sell it you are lucky if you even get half the price for it that you paid when you bought it, products devalue over time
What is it about this expansion that makes people forget that prices go down over time?
I paid $60 for the game and enjoyed it for 3 years. Someone who downloaded the somewhat restricted free version yesterday got to play it for a day. You pay more earlier and you get to enjoy it for longer. I paid $40 for GW1 Complete and enjoyed it for less time than someone who bought all four releases at their original prices. If you want to pay less for a lot of content, wait. That’s what I do for a lot of games. I got Skyrim Legendary Edition for $30 for example.
Products will so on sale, and the value with drop with time. but there is a difference between becoming worth less, and becoming free, even now gw1 is worth like $20 per expansion if you buy it sepertely, and their is a deal with great savings if you buy it all in a pack. same with other mmos like WoW, but to give everything except the latest expansion for free invalidates all our purchases, that’s saying we paid $100 for product worth $0. I don’t have a problem with deals and sales, even their plan to give everything except the lastest expansion to new players for free is fine with me, the only problem is that the equation tips completely in the favore of new players, giving them amazing deals while offering nothing for loyal vets in return. favoring one player base over
Another is a bad idea, period.
Its a matter of principle and fairness, of equal worth. content of the same value should be of equal worth. players who invest more money and time in a game, should recieve services equal to the resources they put in. if I’m to pay in more, I should recieve more. if I’m going to recieve the same amount, I shouldn’t have to pay more for it. I’m not saying we vets are entitled to more things then new players, but we certainly arnt entitled to less. and less is what we are getting, THATS the problem.
We are not getting less than new players.
Less value for our money >.>
Nope. The extra value you get over new players is the amount of time you’ve spent ingame while you have owned the game and they haven’t.
Its a matter of principle and fairness, of equal worth. content of the same value should be of equal worth. players who invest more money and time in a game, should recieve services equal to the resources they put in. if I’m to pay in more, I should recieve more. if I’m going to recieve the same amount, I shouldn’t have to pay more for it. I’m not saying we vets are entitled to more things then new players, but we certainly arnt entitled to less. and less is what we are getting, THATS the problem.
We are not getting less than new players.
Less value for our money >.>
Nope. The extra value you get over new players is the amount of time you’ve spent ingame while you have owned the game and they haven’t.
+ all the 40 updates + log-in rewards (wich stays exclusive to B2P)
If you are looking for a cozy mature Dutch guild (EU) let me know.
Is same reason why when you buy a car brand new and then 3-4 years later you sell it you are lucky if you even get half the price for it that you paid when you bought it, products devalue over time
No, its not the same at all. When you buy a used car, you pay for the car and everything attached to it(which if you’re paying less then half the original value, problably hasnt been that well maintained and regulated), you don’t buy a new, just released, state of the art sterio and get the regularly updated and well maintained finely serviced car with all the lastest upgrades for free, which is essensually what gw2 is offering.
Its a matter of principle and fairness, of equal worth. content of the same value should be of equal worth. players who invest more money and time in a game, should recieve services equal to the resources they put in. if I’m to pay in more, I should recieve more. if I’m going to recieve the same amount, I shouldn’t have to pay more for it. I’m not saying we vets are entitled to more things then new players, but we certainly arnt entitled to less. and less is what we are getting, THATS the problem.
We are not getting less than new players.
Less value for our money >.>
Nope. The extra value you get over new players is the amount of time you’ve spent ingame while you have owned the game and they haven’t.
+ all the 40 updates + log-in rewards (wich stays exclusive to B2P)
No, all they have to do is buy the lastest expansion and they get all those 40+ updates for free. and as for the amount of time we spend playing the game, they don’t regulate that, we are paying for the opertunity to play, not for each and every hour we play, that’s why its buy to play and not subscription. however much we do or don’t play has nothing to do with the cost. otherwise someone who can only play once a week should have to pay less than someone who plays every day if we follow your reasoning. we pay to play, and howmuch we play is up to us, its not attached to the deal. so it has no relevence.
Did someone who paid $50 to buy the game new upon release and then $50 more for hearts of thorns as soon as it came out and then stopped playing three months after that get more value for their money then someone who didn’t buy it until after heart of thorns was released, and paid $50 for twice as much content and played it for 6 years then after? should he get a refund because he didn’t play as much, because following your reasoning, he paid for his time to play, but didn’t use that time?
We pay for the game, not our time, your arguement is invalid
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Its a matter of principle and fairness, of equal worth. content of the same value should be of equal worth. players who invest more money and time in a game, should recieve services equal to the resources they put in. if I’m to pay in more, I should recieve more. if I’m going to recieve the same amount, I shouldn’t have to pay more for it. I’m not saying we vets are entitled to more things then new players, but we certainly arnt entitled to less. and less is what we are getting, THATS the problem.
We are not getting less than new players.
We absolutely are getting less than new players. How do you even write that without laughing? Unless this was meant to be a joke in which case, well done.
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You pay for access to the game. Price is very much related to that. People pay higher to get in early. Those who don’t feel the price is worth it can come in later. If you get in early but don’t take advantage of your access, that’s your problem. There are many games I could afford but held out on because I realized I wouldn’t have the time to play.
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League Of Ascending Immortals [OATH]
League Of Ascending Immortals [OATH]
You pay for access to the game. Price is very much related to that. People pay higher to get in early. Those who don’t feel the price is worth it can come in later. If you get in early but don’t take advantage of your access, that’s your problem. There are many games I could afford but held out on because I realized I wouldn’t have the time to play.
Or play for free… Wait what did I pay for?
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You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
Lord Arcadio
League Of Ascending Immortals [OATH]
League Of Ascending Immortals [OATH]
Its a matter of principle and fairness, of equal worth. content of the same value should be of equal worth. players who invest more money and time in a game, should recieve services equal to the resources they put in. if I’m to pay in more, I should recieve more. if I’m going to recieve the same amount, I shouldn’t have to pay more for it. I’m not saying we vets are entitled to more things then new players, but we certainly arnt entitled to less. and less is what we are getting, THATS the problem.
We are not getting less than new players.
Less value for our money >.>
Nope. The extra value you get over new players is the amount of time you’ve spent ingame while you have owned the game and they haven’t.
+ all the 40 updates + log-in rewards (wich stays exclusive to B2P)
No, all they have to do is buy the lastest expansion and they get all those 40+ updates for free. and as for the amount of time we spend playing the game, they don’t regulate that, we are paying for the opertunity to play, not for each and every hour we play, that’s why its buy to play and not subscription. however much we do or don’t play has nothing to do with the cost. otherwise someone who can only play once a week should have to pay less than someone who plays every day if we follow your reasoning. we pay to play, and howmuch we play is up to us, its not attached to the deal. so it has no relevence.
Did someone who paid $50 to buy the game new upon release and then $50 more for hearts of thorns as soon as it came out and then stopped playing three months after that get more value for their money then someone who didn’t buy it until after heart of thorns was released, and paid $50 for twice as much content and played it for 6 years then after? should he get a refund because he didn’t play as much, because following your reasoning, he paid for his time to play, but didn’t use that time?
We pay for the game, not our time, your arguement is invalid
No, you pay for access to play the game, which includes the software to do so. … and you did so for three more years than anyone that will get it on the F2P deal. Therefore, argument is quite relevant.
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Its a matter of principle and fairness, of equal worth. content of the same value should be of equal worth. players who invest more money and time in a game, should recieve services equal to the resources they put in. if I’m to pay in more, I should recieve more. if I’m going to recieve the same amount, I shouldn’t have to pay more for it. I’m not saying we vets are entitled to more things then new players, but we certainly arnt entitled to less. and less is what we are getting, THATS the problem.
We are not getting less than new players.
Less value for our money >.>
Nope. The extra value you get over new players is the amount of time you’ve spent ingame while you have owned the game and they haven’t.
+ all the 40 updates + log-in rewards (wich stays exclusive to B2P)
No, all they have to do is buy the lastest expansion and they get all those 40+ updates for free. and as for the amount of time we spend playing the game, they don’t regulate that, we are paying for the opertunity to play, not for each and every hour we play, that’s why its buy to play and not subscription. however much we do or don’t play has nothing to do with the cost. otherwise someone who can only play once a week should have to pay less than someone who plays every day if we follow your reasoning. we pay to play, and howmuch we play is up to us, its not attached to the deal. so it has no relevence.
This is simply not true, living world season 1 isn’t available anymore, living world season 2 costs gems. They do not get this for free. Of course you can’t suddenly retract every little change to the classes, but that is far from all the content we had.
First of all, the game, at this date, is not worth 50+ dollars anymore, it’s worth 15-20 max. That is just fact, if you went to the store prior to the anouncement of HoT, i saw copy’s at that price point. Games do age and GW2 core game isn’t worth that much anymore. So basicly you are getting really angry over 15-20 dollars. The living world season 2 costs 1600 gems, wich is about that price. So basicly now you are getting angry at no difference? I’m trying to understand why you are angry, but i can’t see it.
Basicly you aren’t comparing you money’s worth, you are just mad that other people 3 year’s later, get if for free. And that my good sir is entitlement.
If you are looking for a cozy mature Dutch guild (EU) let me know.
You pay for access to the game. Price is very much related to that. People pay higher to get in early. Those who don’t feel the price is worth it can come in later. If you get in early but don’t take advantage of your access, that’s your problem. There are many games I could afford but held out on because I realized I wouldn’t have the time to play.
Or play for free… Wait what did I pay for?
You payed for all the stuff they don’t get. It’s pretty straight forward. They even have a nifty little chart to help you figure out what that stuff is. And lets not forget the 3 year headstart, which is kind of a big deal.
Is same reason why when you buy a car brand new and then 3-4 years later you sell it you are lucky if you even get half the price for it that you paid when you bought it, products devalue over time
No, its not the same at all. When you buy a used car, you pay for the car and everything attached to it(which if you’re paying less then half the original value, problably hasnt been that well maintained and regulated), you don’t buy a new, just released, state of the art sterio and get the regularly updated and well maintained finely serviced car with all the lastest upgrades for free, which is essensually what gw2 is offering.
Actually, what’s being offered for free is a car that has no climate control or radio, no trunk/hatch area, and a throttle so it can barely reach the speed limit.
You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No… gw2 when I bought it wasn’t advertised as buy for early access, or wait and play for free… I paid for content of worth, under the understanding that you HAD to buy to play, as THAT is what it was advertised as. you say I could have waited and got it for free, but lets be realistic, who ever thought gw2 would be given out free, the devs certainly never so much as even eluded to such a thing at release. Now they are telling me that content is actually worthless, but because I wanted to play when it was released, too bad, I should have waited, I have to pay. people are fond of used car references, but what company gives out a old used mustang, completely updated and matained for free so long as you buy the new stereo they put in there???
You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No…
Wait … are you saying you didn’t pay to get access to the game? I’m pretty sure you did, otherwise you couldn’t play it. Wouldn’t be much of a point in buying the game if you couldn’t get access to play it don’t you think?
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You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No… gw2 when I bought it wasn’t advertised as buy for early access, or wait and play for free… I paid for content of worth, under the understanding that you HAD to buy to play, as THAT is what it was advertised as. you say I could have waited and got it for free, but lets be realistic, who ever thought gw2 would be given out free, the devs certainly never so much as even eluded to such a thing at release. Now they are telling me that content is actually worthless, but because I wanted to play when it was released, too bad, I should have waited, I have to pay. people are fond of used car references, but what company gives out a old used mustang, completely updated and matained for free so long as you buy the new stereo they put in there???
These really bad analogies are fun, lets keep it up. You’re saying that if someone else gets a moped for free, your mustang is somehow worth less.
Its a matter of principle and fairness, of equal worth. content of the same value should be of equal worth. players who invest more money and time in a game, should recieve services equal to the resources they put in. if I’m to pay in more, I should recieve more. if I’m going to recieve the same amount, I shouldn’t have to pay more for it. I’m not saying we vets are entitled to more things then new players, but we certainly arnt entitled to less. and less is what we are getting, THATS the problem.
We are not getting less than new players.
Less value for our money >.>
Nope. The extra value you get over new players is the amount of time you’ve spent ingame while you have owned the game and they haven’t.
+ all the 40 updates + log-in rewards (wich stays exclusive to B2P)
No, all they have to do is buy the lastest expansion and they get all those 40+ updates for free. and as for the amount of time we spend playing the game, they don’t regulate that, we are paying for the opertunity to play, not for each and every hour we play, that’s why its buy to play and not subscription. however much we do or don’t play has nothing to do with the cost. otherwise someone who can only play once a week should have to pay less than someone who plays every day if we follow your reasoning. we pay to play, and howmuch we play is up to us, its not attached to the deal. so it has no relevence.
This is simply not true, living world season 1 isn’t available anymore, living world season 2 costs gems. They do not get this for free. Of course you can’t suddenly retract every little change to the classes, but that is far from all the content we had.
First of all, the game, at this date, is not worth 50+ dollars anymore, it’s worth 15-20 max. That is just fact, if you went to the store prior to the anouncement of HoT, i saw copy’s at that price point. Games do age and GW2 core game isn’t worth that much anymore. So basicly you are getting really angry over 15-20 dollars. The living world season 2 costs 1600 gems, wich is about that price. So basicly now you are getting angry at no difference? I’m trying to understand why you are angry, but i can’t see it.
Basicly you aren’t comparing you money’s worth, you are just mad that other people 3 year’s later, get if for free. And that my good sir is entitlement.
You didn’t read carefully enough, season 2 is free with purchasing expansion, in the announcement he said you get all those updates after buying expansion. and season 1 will be added to game eventually, so to say new players missed out is a mute point.
And you yourself said core is now worth 15-20, but my dear friend, their is a difference bwteen 15-20 and free. find a single other game thats still being updated that does this.
If playing new content in Guild Wars 2 in a timely fashion is important to you, you pay for the opportunity.
If playing new content in Guild Wars 2 in a timely fashion is not important to you, you wait until the last expansion, and pay less.
Thus, you pay for access to content when it is new and well-populated. Or, you wait, and play when it’s old hat to most.
Good luck.
You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No… gw2 when I bought it wasn’t advertised as buy for early access, or wait and play for free… I paid for content of worth, under the understanding that you HAD to buy to play, as THAT is what it was advertised as. you say I could have waited and got it for free, but lets be realistic, who ever thought gw2 would be given out free, the devs certainly never so much as even eluded to such a thing at release. Now they are telling me that content is actually worthless, but because I wanted to play when it was released, too bad, I should have waited, I have to pay. people are fond of used car references, but what company gives out a old used mustang, completely updated and matained for free so long as you buy the new stereo they put in there???
Then don’t buy the expansion and just wait till they announce that Expansion “x” is the last expansion for Guild Wars 2, and then buy it at that time. Either don’t play the game till that happens, or just be happy with the core game for the potentially the next several years. This is the PC games market, everything devalues overtime. The game was already selling for about $10 on this site and other places, so after 3 years the core game has devalued to $0.
Were you complaining when the game was being sold for for $10? Really, that is what you are complaining about, is a drop in price by $10.
You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No…
Wait … are you saying you didn’t pay to get access to the game? I’m pretty sure you did, otherwise you couldn’t play it. Wouldn’t be much of a point in buying the game if you couldn’t get access to play it don’t you think?
I didn’t buy early access, I bought the game, there is a difference.
[I never complained about it being $10, and its not currently $10, its freequote=5436526;eisberg.2379:]
You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No… gw2 when I bought it wasn’t advertised as buy for early access, or wait and play for free… I paid for content of worth, under the understanding that you HAD to buy to play, as THAT is what it was advertised as. you say I could have waited and got it for free, but lets be realistic, who ever thought gw2 would be given out free, the devs certainly never so much as even eluded to such a thing at release. Now they are telling me that content is actually worthless, but because I wanted to play when it was released, too bad, I should have waited, I have to pay. people are fond of used car references, but what company gives out a old used mustang, completely updated and matained for free so long as you buy the new stereo they put in there???
Then don’t buy the expansion and just wait till they announce that Expansion “x” is the last expansion for Guild Wars 2, and then buy it at that time. Either don’t play the game till that happens, or just be happy with the core game for the potentially the next several years. This is the PC games market, everything devalues overtime. The game was already selling for about $10 on this site and other places, so after 3 years the core game has devalued to $0.
Were you complaining when the game was being sold for for $10? Really, that is what you are complaining about, is a drop in price by $10.
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I never complained about it being $10, and its not currently $10, its free…
Its a matter of principle and fairness, of equal worth. content of the same value should be of equal worth. players who invest more money and time in a game, should recieve services equal to the resources they put in. if I’m to pay in more, I should recieve more. if I’m going to recieve the same amount, I shouldn’t have to pay more for it. I’m not saying we vets are entitled to more things then new players, but we certainly arnt entitled to less. and less is what we are getting, THATS the problem.
We are not getting less than new players.
Less value for our money >.>
Nope. The extra value you get over new players is the amount of time you’ve spent ingame while you have owned the game and they haven’t.
+ all the 40 updates + log-in rewards (wich stays exclusive to B2P)
No, all they have to do is buy the lastest expansion and they get all those 40+ updates for free. and as for the amount of time we spend playing the game, they don’t regulate that, we are paying for the opertunity to play, not for each and every hour we play, that’s why its buy to play and not subscription. however much we do or don’t play has nothing to do with the cost. otherwise someone who can only play once a week should have to pay less than someone who plays every day if we follow your reasoning. we pay to play, and howmuch we play is up to us, its not attached to the deal. so it has no relevence.
This is simply not true, living world season 1 isn’t available anymore, living world season 2 costs gems. They do not get this for free. Of course you can’t suddenly retract every little change to the classes, but that is far from all the content we had.
First of all, the game, at this date, is not worth 50+ dollars anymore, it’s worth 15-20 max. That is just fact, if you went to the store prior to the anouncement of HoT, i saw copy’s at that price point. Games do age and GW2 core game isn’t worth that much anymore. So basicly you are getting really angry over 15-20 dollars. The living world season 2 costs 1600 gems, wich is about that price. So basicly now you are getting angry at no difference? I’m trying to understand why you are angry, but i can’t see it.
Basicly you aren’t comparing you money’s worth, you are just mad that other people 3 year’s later, get if for free. And that my good sir is entitlement.You didn’t read carefully enough, season 2 is free with purchasing expansion, in the announcement he said you get all those updates after buying expansion. and season 1 will be added to game eventually, so to say new players missed out is a mute point.
And you yourself said core is now worth 15-20, but my dear friend, their is a difference bwteen 15-20 and free. find a single other game thats still being updated that does this.
Wrong:
In fact when you go to buy the expansion, they give the option to buy Season 2 for $16.00. Season 2 is not free with the expansion pack at all, I don’t even know where you got that from.
I don’t think anyone has stated new purchasers of Heart of Thorns get LS S2 free. You may be confused with the statement that LS updates in the future will be included in the expansion. There has not been any statement of whether they will use the same access model (free while the LS release is live – pay once it is not), or not.
I never complained about it being $10, and its not currently $10, its free…
So if you never complained about the game going from $60 at launch to $10, then why are you complaining about it dropping another $10?
You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No… gw2 when I bought it wasn’t advertised as buy for early access, or wait and play for free… I paid for content of worth, under the understanding that you HAD to buy to play, as THAT is what it was advertised as. you say I could have waited and got it for free, but lets be realistic, who ever thought gw2 would be given out free, the devs certainly never so much as even eluded to such a thing at release. Now they are telling me that content is actually worthless, but because I wanted to play when it was released, too bad, I should have waited, I have to pay. people are fond of used car references, but what company gives out a old used mustang, completely updated and matained for free so long as you buy the new stereo they put in there???
These really bad analogies are fun, lets keep it up. You’re saying that if someone else gets a moped for free, your mustang is somehow worth less.
You… reading comprehension? I said if someone gets a mustang for free simply for buying the stereo in it, my mustang is worth less.
This F2P or as I like to call it Play for Free idea is NOT a new business model as these free accounts need to buy the expansion to get the full experience of GW2. GW2s buisness model is and always will be unless something drastic happens buy to play.
Sylvari mean
You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No…
Wait … are you saying you didn’t pay to get access to the game? I’m pretty sure you did, otherwise you couldn’t play it. Wouldn’t be much of a point in buying the game if you couldn’t get access to play it don’t you think?
I didn’t buy early access, I bought the game, there is a difference.
If there is a difference, you’re going to have to do a better job explaining it because early access or not, everyone paid to get access to the game regardless of when they bought it. Therefore, you got extra value over someone who will get F2P.
I never complained about it being $10, and its not currently $10, its free…
So if you never complained about the game going from $60 at launch to $10, then why are you complaining about it dropping another $10?
Because there is a vast difference between an item going on sale and being free. because I shouldn’t have to pay 5 times as much for the same amount of content, period. because if anet is going to make a deal and treat new players special, they should do something special for old players to, who have given so much time and money to this game. because ultimately, this is a product, and whether you choose to see it, we are being undercut
You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No… gw2 when I bought it wasn’t advertised as buy for early access, or wait and play for free… I paid for content of worth, under the understanding that you HAD to buy to play, as THAT is what it was advertised as. you say I could have waited and got it for free, but lets be realistic, who ever thought gw2 would be given out free, the devs certainly never so much as even eluded to such a thing at release. Now they are telling me that content is actually worthless, but because I wanted to play when it was released, too bad, I should have waited, I have to pay. people are fond of used car references, but what company gives out a old used mustang, completely updated and matained for free so long as you buy the new stereo they put in there???
These really bad analogies are fun, lets keep it up. You’re saying that if someone else gets a moped for free, your mustang is somehow worth less.
You… reading comprehension? I said if someone gets a mustang for free simply for buying the stereo in it, my mustang is worth less.
Your mustang is worth exactly the same as his mustang. It was worth less regardless of him getting it or not. The difference is you had a mustang for a much longer time.
This analogy is still bad, since the free version is not the same as the paid version.
You know….anyone…ANYONE…can get the exact same deal new players get now.
Just create a new account and play all the old content for free..with all the restrictions included. Everyone on the same footing. If they (or we) want access to more, we pay…or wait 1, 2, 3 years. Nothing more – nothing less.
Everyone has the exact same opportunity. In fact, it was even suggested we do so!
This isn’t a new business model, this was announced back when HoT pre-purchase started so i’m having a hard time understanding why you would only bring this up now??
The play-for-free announcement changed absolutely nothing regarding their stance towards the expansion pricing and how they think they’ll handle it in future, as of right now.
Yes, newer players only need to pay the latest expansion price to gain access to ‘core game’ and what the expansion will bring in the future, but they are not getting the same content that you has experienced over time.
They don’t however get access to all LS for free, or all of the temporary content with its respective rewards, or the achievement points, but most importantly they don’t get access to a whole community experiencing all of that content when it was first released.
Gw2 is a MMO and not a single player game, therefore you can’t ever say that someone new to the game will get access to the same thing you did, because they simply won’t.
Samhaiim ~ Thief
You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No…
Wait … are you saying you didn’t pay to get access to the game? I’m pretty sure you did, otherwise you couldn’t play it. Wouldn’t be much of a point in buying the game if you couldn’t get access to play it don’t you think?
I didn’t buy early access, I bought the game, there is a difference.
If there is a difference, you’re going to have to do a better job explaining it because early access or not, everyone paid to get access to the game regardless of when they bought it. Therefore, you got extra value over someone who will get F2P.
Yes, we all pay for access for the same amount of content, so why is it that we have to pay so much more? Once again, that we are paying for the amount of time is irrevlevent, because we are promised to buy and play for free. so our time is and never was being charged, only acess to said product was.
Because there is a vast difference between an item going on sale and being free. because I shouldn’t have to pay 5 times as much for the same amount of content, period. because if anet is going to make a deal and treat new players special, they should do something special for old players to, who have given so much time and money to this game. because ultimately, this is a product, and whether you choose to see it, we are being undercut
You didn’t give your time to the game like you were doing Anet a favor. You were playing and presumably you were entertained which is a benefit to you. You paid money to be entertained. The exchange has been made.
Lord Arcadio
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You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No… gw2 when I bought it wasn’t advertised as buy for early access, or wait and play for free… I paid for content of worth, under the understanding that you HAD to buy to play, as THAT is what it was advertised as. you say I could have waited and got it for free, but lets be realistic, who ever thought gw2 would be given out free, the devs certainly never so much as even eluded to such a thing at release. Now they are telling me that content is actually worthless, but because I wanted to play when it was released, too bad, I should have waited, I have to pay. people are fond of used car references, but what company gives out a old used mustang, completely updated and matained for free so long as you buy the new stereo they put in there???
These really bad analogies are fun, lets keep it up. You’re saying that if someone else gets a moped for free, your mustang is somehow worth less.
You… reading comprehension? I said if someone gets a mustang for free simply for buying the stereo in it, my mustang is worth less.
Your mustang is worth exactly the same as his mustang. It was worth less regardless of him getting it or not. The difference is you had a mustang for a much longer time.
This analogy is still bad, since the free version is not the same as the paid version.
They are exactly the same, the same manufacture/seller made and updated them at the same time. I got my mustang sooner then he did yes, but the one at my house was upgraded at the same time as his sitting in the wearhouse. same components, same quality, both kept in pristine condition, but I had to pay to buy it, and I had to pay for every single upgrade that went into it, he bought only the last upgrade and got everything else for free
I never complained about it being $10, and its not currently $10, its free…
So if you never complained about the game going from $60 at launch to $10, then why are you complaining about it dropping another $10?
Because there is a vast difference between an item going on sale and being free. because I shouldn’t have to pay 5 times as much for the same amount of content, period. because if anet is going to make a deal and treat new players special, they should do something special for old players to, who have given so much time and money to this game. because ultimately, this is a product, and whether you choose to see it, we are being undercut
They are giving an extra character slot, that is a $10 value. Free players have all kinds of restrictions with in the game, they are actually getting less for a $10 discount. Amazon was selling Guild Wars 2 for $10ish for a very long time, but just recently the price has doubled because of the FtP announcement.
You should have felt being undercut when the game was being sold for much less than what you paid for it, but you didn’t. It dropping another $10 is insignificant. Using your logic, the game should have never decreased in price at any time, because that would be undercutting everyone who bought the game at the higher price.
So you are being a hypocrite if you didn’t feel upset over the game being sold for much cheaper than what you bought it for over the years.
So your only option is to believe that the game never decrease in price at anytime over the years.
You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No…
Wait … are you saying you didn’t pay to get access to the game? I’m pretty sure you did, otherwise you couldn’t play it. Wouldn’t be much of a point in buying the game if you couldn’t get access to play it don’t you think?
I didn’t buy early access, I bought the game, there is a difference.
If there is a difference, you’re going to have to do a better job explaining it because early access or not, everyone paid to get access to the game regardless of when they bought it. Therefore, you got extra value over someone who will get F2P.
Yes, we all pay for access for the same amount of content, so why is it that we have to pay so much more? Once again, that we are paying for the amount of time is irrevlevent, because we are promised to buy and play for free. so our time is and never was being charged, only acess to said product was.
I’m not arguing we pay for the amount of time. I’m arguing that we pay to get access. Why do we pay more than F2P? Because we all wanted to play the game when it came out. Yes, it might surprise you but it’s very reasonable to pay for that priviledge. If it wasn’t, you wouldn’t have done it in the first place.
Here is a tip for the Entitled generation: Fair does not mean equal.
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You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No… gw2 when I bought it wasn’t advertised as buy for early access, or wait and play for free… I paid for content of worth, under the understanding that you HAD to buy to play, as THAT is what it was advertised as. you say I could have waited and got it for free, but lets be realistic, who ever thought gw2 would be given out free, the devs certainly never so much as even eluded to such a thing at release. Now they are telling me that content is actually worthless, but because I wanted to play when it was released, too bad, I should have waited, I have to pay. people are fond of used car references, but what company gives out a old used mustang, completely updated and matained for free so long as you buy the new stereo they put in there???
These really bad analogies are fun, lets keep it up. You’re saying that if someone else gets a moped for free, your mustang is somehow worth less.
You… reading comprehension? I said if someone gets a mustang for free simply for buying the stereo in it, my mustang is worth less.
Your mustang is worth exactly the same as his mustang. It was worth less regardless of him getting it or not. The difference is you had a mustang for a much longer time.
This analogy is still bad, since the free version is not the same as the paid version.
They are exactly the same, the same manufacture/seller made and updated them at the same time. I got my mustang sooner then he did yes, but the one at my house was upgraded at the same time as his sitting in the wearhouse. same components, same quality, both kept in pristine condition, but I had to pay to buy it, and I had to pay for every single upgrade that went into it, he bought only the last upgrade and got everything else for free
Everyone who owned the mustang at the time could go to races, and parties, and have access to the mustang whenever they wanted. The guy who just got it yesterday missed all the events, has no idea why the mustangs have a large dent in the rear quarter panel or what the original interior looked like. If it’s the free version they also don’t get a horn, half an engine, and missing a tire.
Because there is a vast difference between an item going on sale and being free. because I shouldn’t have to pay 5 times as much for the same amount of content, period. because if anet is going to make a deal and treat new players special, they should do something special for old players to, who have given so much time and money to this game. because ultimately, this is a product, and whether you choose to see it, we are being undercut
You didn’t give your time to the game like you were doing Anet a favor. You were playing and presumably you were entertained which is a benefit to you. You paid money to be entertained. The exchange has been made.
I didn’t even bother to go into how many gems I’ve bought over the years, because that’s doesnt have anything to do with this topic, but surfice to say my playing made them a lot of money indeed, so to say my playing didn’t benifet them is incorrect. The point, is that the same pay should be dmanded for the same services rendered, with the undertanding and exception that worth does drop over time, but never to the point that long standing customers are ignored in favore of new. that’s just bad customer service, bad business
That’s the thing though … no long standing customers have been ignored because of new players being favoured … Anet continues to service those people.
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You paid to get access to the game at the point you had paid for it. So you’ve had access for the game longer than someone who got it for free yesterday. That isn’t even taking into account that their free access is restricted.
No… gw2 when I bought it wasn’t advertised as buy for early access, or wait and play for free… I paid for content of worth, under the understanding that you HAD to buy to play, as THAT is what it was advertised as. you say I could have waited and got it for free, but lets be realistic, who ever thought gw2 would be given out free, the devs certainly never so much as even eluded to such a thing at release. Now they are telling me that content is actually worthless, but because I wanted to play when it was released, too bad, I should have waited, I have to pay. people are fond of used car references, but what company gives out a old used mustang, completely updated and matained for free so long as you buy the new stereo they put in there???
These really bad analogies are fun, lets keep it up. You’re saying that if someone else gets a moped for free, your mustang is somehow worth less.
You… reading comprehension? I said if someone gets a mustang for free simply for buying the stereo in it, my mustang is worth less.
Your mustang is worth exactly the same as his mustang. It was worth less regardless of him getting it or not. The difference is you had a mustang for a much longer time.
This analogy is still bad, since the free version is not the same as the paid version.
They are exactly the same, the same manufacture/seller made and updated them at the same time. I got my mustang sooner then he did yes, but the one at my house was upgraded at the same time as his sitting in the wearhouse. same components, same quality, both kept in pristine condition, but I had to pay to buy it, and I had to pay for every single upgrade that went into it, he bought only the last upgrade and got everything else for free
Everyone who owned the mustang at the time could go to races, and parties, and have access to the mustang whenever they wanted. The guy who just got it yesterday missed all the events, has no idea why the mustangs have a large dent in the rear quarter panel or what the original interior looked like. If it’s the free version they also don’t get a horn, half an engine, and missing a tire.
They get absolutely everything we did, even the chance to enter the races and experience first hand how that dent got there in this case. because everything we did without our mustang, is available for them to do, or soon will be.
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