Guild Wars 2

well 5 ppl or 8 max on spider farm… ooooooooh so many ppl there omg … nerf it #sarcasm

Though people standing around being afk is the same thing and I am not seeing complaining about that.

People are missing the biggest issue of all. Why is playing the game as intended give less and less rewards as you play?

It is not because there is no thread about it that nobody complain about AFK people or DR in other situation. I sure can point you to a lot of posts in all part of the game that complain about AFK people or leeches.

well 5 ppl or 8 max on spider farm… ooooooooh so many ppl there omg … nerf it #sarcasm

I’ve personally seen way more than that making circles above my head while I was alone defending the rally point just below.

The point you try to ridicule, but still stand, is that the effect of such farming on the meta will have an impact. With 5-8 it is negligible but at some point it will be significant. Regardless of actual numbers, it is a very bad thing that the most rewarding thing (XPwise) lies outside the meta-event.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

. Regardless of actual numbers, it is a very bad thing that the most rewarding thing (XPwise) lies outside the meta-event.

Why?

Kraggy.4169:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

. Regardless of actual numbers, it is a very bad thing that the most rewarding thing (XPwise) lies outside the meta-event.

Why?

Because:

1) The meta-event REQUIRES lots of ppl.
2) Any given server has a pop limit.

Therefore, if you have too many ppl who always only play the game from a pure number perspective and the way to get these numbers lies outside the meta-event, you definitely threaten your event and all who want to make it succeed.

Kraggy.4169:

Why?

Because it causes a group of people to NOT do what the map was intended to do, and thus cause the players who play the intended way to complain about the players playing the unintended way.

And just in case you think of asking “Who says what the intended way is?”: ArenaNet does. The spiderfarm obviously was NOT the intended way to behave in that map, otherwise it would not have been nerfed to discourage it.

Little anecdote here: While I was trying to defend the rallypoint near the spiders, the farmzerg repeatedly rushed through, undoubtedly scaling up the event and making mobs spawn which were balanced for a number of about 20 defenders – while there were only about 5-6 real defenders. I then asked -politely- via mapchat if the spiderfarm people could please take some seconds to kill off the mordrems while passing through. The only reaction was one guy typing “nah”. This kind of attitude was probably also one of the causes for the complaints and in the end, the nerf.

Shikigami.4013:

Kraggy.4169:

Why?

Because it causes a group of people to NOT do what the map was intended to do, and thus cause the players who play the intended way to complain about the players playing the unintended way.

I see, so this is no longer “play how you want, but how we tell you”, like we’ve seen from Blizzard, Turbine, and most other MMOs.

Got it.

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Because:

1) The meta-event REQUIRES lots of ppl.
2) Any given server has a pop limit.

Therefore, if you have too many ppl who always only play the game from a pure number perspective and the way to get these numbers lies outside the meta-event, you definitely threaten your event and all who want to make it succeed.[/quote]

is there a new post from you anywhere ? there are no ppl on the map now whatsoever, all are afk and waiting to get in the raid… just gotta love how hilarious your claims are now , the 5/ 8 ppl ruining the meta event but as long as the spider farm was nerfed …

Because it causes a group of people to NOT do what the map was intended to do, and thus cause the players who play the intended way to complain about the players playing the unintended way.

Two caveats to that. First, people Spider Farming had minimal impact on the rest of the map. I know for a fact that I was on at least two Spider Farming runs that resulted in T4 outcomes for the map. The number of players typically involved in Spider farming are minimal relative to the amount needed to complete metas, and even with spider farming removed, there are plenty of legitimate things players can be doing instead of progressing the meta, such as Hero Points, Story missions, Adventures, general exploration/Mastery Points/harvesting/chests/etc.

Really I think the Flax farm probably causes more damage to their meta than the Spider farm.

I’ve actually said this since Silverwaste and Drytop, if they want to have map metas that rely on near total map participation, then they need to stop providing all sorts of alternate activities in those zones. They should have a “Meta” VB that has no adventures, no HPs, no mobs that are not trash, no story nodes, nothing whatsoever to do but progress the meta chains, and a “non-meta” VB that does not have meta chains but has everything else, and let players decide which they want to be on.

And as for “This is ANet’s intended way,” well so what? ANet’s intended way was for players to have to earn 400HP to clear their elite specs. The players disagreed. Ultimately, ANet can decide whatever they want, but that doesn’t mean that they should, that their own idea is the right idea.

Little anecdote here: While I was trying to defend the rallypoint near the spiders, the farmzerg repeatedly rushed through, undoubtedly scaling up the event and making mobs spawn which were balanced for a number of about 20 defenders – while there were only about 5-6 real defenders. I then asked -politely- via mapchat if the spiderfarm people could please take some seconds to kill off the mordrems while passing through. The only reaction was one guy typing “nah”. This kind of attitude was probably also one of the causes for the complaints and in the end, the nerf.

The better solution would probably be to move that rally point. Still, I always considered myself a “conscientious farmer,” my pattern would be to farm all day, then keep farming until the rally defense waves, drop down to help on those, then go back to farming until the boss phase, then run bosses. Really the XP from doing it that way was not that far off continuous farming, and the loot was way better. I have all three bladed chests.

Gwyllion Redsky.5241:

there are no ppl on the map now whatsoever, all are afk and waiting to get in the raid… just gotta love how hilarious your claims are now , the 5/ 8 ppl ruining the meta event but as long as the spider farm was nerfed …

This is the poetic justice that has me giggling. Watch NOW Anet’s position is going to be “Organized meta events should use the lfg tool so raiders shouldn’t be an issue”.

rrusse.7058:

People are missing the biggest issue of all. Why is playing the game as intended give less and less rewards as you play?

To avoid farming? there’s much to do in the game, they just don’t like you doing the same thing over and over.

Ohoni.6057:

Because it causes a group of people to NOT do what the map was intended to do, and thus cause the players who play the intended way to complain about the players playing the unintended way.

Two caveats to that. First, people Spider Farming had minimal impact on the rest of the map. […]

You misunderstood my post. I agree that the impact to the map goals was not a big deal. I do not think that ArenaNet nerfed the spiders because it had an impact on the map goal. What I was trying to say is that the spider farm caused trouble/fights/bad blood between players. This is something ArenaNet does not like, and often does not tolerate. I doubt that they would have done anything to those spiders if nobody had complained about it.

I’m a fan of the map division actually. One for meta and one with all WP’s, entrances and uncontested adventures. And one map that have no HP or adventures so people can focus on the metas, maybe have a faster auto-kick on inactivity here. (assuming there are only 2 full maps) And also the filling of the maps would have to be better for meta maps.
Maybe it could be like districts works in gw1. I think alot of problems can be solved at once by letting people make a choice on what their goal is and to combine those.
Now people have to do it by themselves with LFG that is horrible to use atm because there is only one part for all open world content. But this is very wishfull thinking because i know this will take alot of work and likely not going to happen.
EDIT: LFG is a total disaster now with the raids also in there. I think making more categories/tabs could be easy to add an very usefull.

What I was trying to say is that the spider farm caused trouble/fights/bad blood between players.

If that’s their reasoning then they should remove raids IMMEDIATELY. Probably also sPvP, just to be safe.

Gwyllion Redsky.5241:

is there a new post from you anywhere ? there are no ppl on the map now whatsoever, all are afk and waiting to get in the raid… just gotta love how hilarious your claims are now , the 5/ 8 ppl ruining the meta event but as long as the spider farm was nerfed …

You gotta love logical fallacies.

This game is supposed to be a “Play how you like” type game, by ANETS own mouth. Yet we see nerf after nerf to content, rewards, and playstyles… This is no longer a Play how you like game. It is a “play how we tell you to or we nerf it” type game. I dont say that in a rude way, its just exactly what its become now.

Dear Anet, Plz teach BadSanta how to form sentences, instead of smashing everything into one run on sentence. Ty.

BadSanta.6527:

dear anet plz nerf spider farm, this is not maple story witch killing mobs its all about.
and plz buff the exp from dt events so people will do them, and one suggestion is that plz rewarde players for helping outher players with the hero points in the jungle becuse new charters in the jungle have hard time to kill the hero points champ becuse you cant find enugh player to help thank you .

Nerf grinding so that its easier for you to leech. Got it.

Who ever requested this are selfish and childish. Let players play how they like or ask a boost on events. Anet listened to this non sense but did not make it fair for majority of the playerz.