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seems like a butt pull. class just came outta nowhere. i like to keep my good written story anet. I can handle the syvari are bad guys recon, but idk about this since theres no story.

endersluck.4708:

seems like a butt pull. class just came outta nowhere. i like to keep my good written story anet. I can handle the syvari are bad guys recon, but idk about this since theres no story.

For one, they seem to be related to Rytlock coming back from the Mists.

That’s all about we know so far: "A revenant is someone who returns from a long absence, often from death or in a supernatural way. "

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Revenant

You know, the story starts in Season 2 of the Living Story, and I am sure it will continue in the expansion.

How is there no story?

In short, Rytlock lived in the Mists for a time. Since time is nothing there, he could have been there for as long as you could imagine. Eventually, he learned to harness the powers of the Mists, calling on the champions of the past. See Razah as an example of something that was formed in the Mists.

From what we know, Rytlock is the first Revenant. He returns from the mists a changed Charr. From what I’ve read is people hear about Rytlock, then start learning to become Revenant themselves. I don’t see Rytlock as much of a teacher, so I don’t know how people are supposed to follow in his footsteps…

Basically you can sum it up to “You are Revenant, because video game.”

Bunnytown.7801:

From what we know, Rytlock is the first Revenant. He returns from the mists a changed Charr. From what I’ve read is people hear about Rytlock, then start learning to become Revenant themselves. I don’t see Rytlock as much of a teacher, so I don’t know how people are supposed to follow in his footsteps…

Basically you can sum it up to “You are Revenant, because video game.”

I imagine you as a character emerge from the Mists like Rytlock did.

NekotTheBrave.2013:

Bunnytown.7801:

From what we know, Rytlock is the first Revenant. He returns from the mists a changed Charr. From what I’ve read is people hear about Rytlock, then start learning to become Revenant themselves. I don’t see Rytlock as much of a teacher, so I don’t know how people are supposed to follow in his footsteps…

Basically you can sum it up to “You are Revenant, because video game.”

I imagine you as a character emerge from the Mists like Rytlock did.

Yeah, except you will actually emerge from Divinities Reach to help Logan kill some centaurs :/

Bunnytown.7801:

Basically you can sum it up to “You are Revenant, because video game.”

Rytlock could have left the Mists in any timeline. They could easily say that he first appeared in the past, which created an alternate universe where everything that had already happened was set to repeat. He jumps into the Mists again during season 2, but this time, as a Revenant, he uses his knowledge to return to our time. These two realities merge into one, where existing players have our history, new players have always known Rytlock to be a Revenant and for NPCs, the strongest bond becomes dominant while the other fades away like a forgotten memory.

Because of what the Mists is, they could really make up whatever they want.

Ok so lets do this.

Rytlock traveled into the mist chasing his legendary sword during an attempt to get rid of the Charr ghost problem. We don’t know it all but in the mist he gained the ability to channel the power of the Mists while in lost in the Mists.

For the powers of channeling the mist look at the GW1 class Ritualist http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ritualist who also wears blindfolds and closed their eyes in combat.

“The Ritualists are one of the oldest known professions on Tyria. Being unique to Cantha, they have existed long before the Exodus and the gods granting magic to the races. Before magic, the Ritualists focused on channeling spirits from the Mists. They relied upon the strength and wisdom granted to them by their powerful ancestors whom maintained a connection to their descendants. Through their spirits, the Ritualists were able to practice magic, or something close to it. When magic was granted by the gods, many of the original abilities were strengthened and merged into their modern form. Though still relying on the power of the dead, their original skills are no longer a visible part of the profession.”

Lastly a Revenant is a type of ghost or undead that has come back to life.

So Rytlock goes into the mist, the afterlife, where he gains powers like the Ritualist, mixes it with his existing weapon and armor skill where they match, then comes back to the world of the living as a Revenant, one who has come back from the afterlife.

Anything else?

Saint Jabberwocky.5098:

Ok so lets do this.

Rytlock traveled into the mist chasing his legendary sword during an attempt to get rid of the Charr ghost problem. We don’t know it all but in the mist he gained the ability to channel the power of the Mists while in lost in the Mists.

For the powers of channeling the mist look at the GW1 class Ritualist http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ritualist who also wears blindfolds and closed their eyes in combat.

That is great for explaining Rytlock as a Revenant, but what about the player character? How do you explain starting as a level 1 charr Rev helping the original Rytlock clear out ghosts from Barradin’s tomb?

I do like Healix’s theory though. I just hope Anet has some sort of explanation like his for why the player character is a Revenant before Rytlock. Maybe they wouldn’t start out level 1 Revs in the opening mission?

“The Ritualists are one of the oldest known professions on Tyria. Being unique to Cantha, they have existed long before the Exodus and the gods granting magic to the races. Before magic, the Ritualists focused on channeling spirits from the Mists. They relied upon the strength and wisdom granted to them by their powerful ancestors whom maintained a connection to their descendants. Through their spirits, the Ritualists were able to practice magic, or something close to it. When magic was granted by the gods, many of the original abilities were strengthened and merged into their modern form. Though still relying on the power of the dead, their original skills are no longer a visible part of the profession.”

Lastly a Revenant is a type of ghost or undead that has come back to life.

So Rytlock goes into the mist, the afterlife, where he gains powers like the Ritualist, mixes it with his existing weapon and armor skill where they match, then comes back to the world of the living as a Revenant, one who has come back from the afterlife.

Anything else?

This is great for explaining Rytlock as a Revenant, but what about the player character? How can you explain a new lvl 1 charr player starting out as a revenant, then helping original Rytlock clear out ghosts from Barridin’s tomb?

I actually like Healix’s theory. I just hope that Anet themselves provides an explanation of some sort like this. Perhaps new Revenant players don’t need to start in the first mission of the core game?

My guess at launch after doing the Sylvari level 20 story line was that the Sylvari were dragon minons. That is the only reason they can not be corrupted by other dragon. The only living thing we have seen immune to dragon corruption is other dragon minons.

You should go listen to the song Fear Not This Night, in which the Pale Tree is singing to the Sylvari. I think that listening to it now knowing about Mordramoth that she is singing about the dragon. The greatest threat the free Sylvari race will know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4YOCuYHieo
If nothing else its a great song.

Bunnytown.7801:

This is great for explaining Rytlock as a Revenant, but what about the player character? How can you explain a new lvl 1 charr player starting out as a revenant, then helping original Rytlock clear out ghosts from Barridin’s tomb?

I actually like Healix’s theory. I just hope that Anet themselves provides an explanation of some sort like this. Perhaps new Revenant players don’t need to start in the first mission of the core game?

I was just talking about that with my g/f. I don’t see how a Revenant is going to fit any of the original game or season 2 story line. Perhaps Rytlock did something before he came back. Still that is the thing that is going to be the biggest lore problem for the Revenant as far as I can tell.

Given the Revenant’s powers are tied to the Mists and within the Mists are echoes of the past reverberating through all reality this isn’t really THAT hard to explain.

You as a Revenant use the Mists to experience the echoes of the past when you play the Personal Story. In reality your character didn’t come into existence until after Rytlock brought Revenantism to the world.

In a world where we regularly go back in time and experience events for PVP battles and Fractals and literally fight an alternate reality version of our world in WvWvW time is pretty malleable.

ive always seen them as offshoot of the ritualist, and we know ritualists are still around…i know thats not the given lore for Revenants, but it makes quite a bit of sense to me.

Ehecatl.9172:

Given the Revenant’s powers are tied to the Mists and within the Mists are echoes of the past reverberating through all reality this isn’t really THAT hard to explain.

You as a Revenant use the Mists to experience the echoes of the past when you play the Personal Story. In reality your character didn’t come into existence until after Rytlock brought Revenantism to the world.

In a world where we regularly go back in time and experience events for PVP battles and Fractals and literally fight an alternate reality version of our world in WvWvW time is pretty malleable.

That sounds good, just as long as Anet gives the explanation, instead of leaving it up to players to figure out where their new class fits in.

I assume rytlock did something in the mists which is now affecting some people by making them more sensitive to the stronger spirits of the mists?

Perhaps at times they feel malicious or retributive and these spirits talk to them and if the revenant chooses to, can then channel them easily due to whatever rytlock did.

So what did rytlock do? plea for intervention as Doric plead to dwayna forever ago? It should not go unnoticed that Rytlock did encounter glint years ago while she was alive and now he can apparently channel her.

My gut feeling is that according to the lore the revenant PC was another profession until after Rytlock’s return, and being able to play a revenant from the start is simply a case of gameplay trumping lore.

Saint Jabberwocky.5098:

My guess at launch after doing the Sylvari level 20 story line was that the Sylvari were dragon minons. That is the only reason they can not be corrupted by other dragon. The only living thing we have seen immune to dragon corruption is other dragon minons.

You should go listen to the song Fear Not This Night, in which the Pale Tree is singing to the Sylvari. I think that listening to it now knowing about Mordramoth that she is singing about the dragon. The greatest threat the free Sylvari race will know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4YOCuYHieo
If nothing else its a great song.

Dragon minions aren’t immune (Crucible of Eternity, it is possible for something to be corrupted by multiple dragons) and the magic of the Forgotten protects their artifacts from dragon corruption (Arah, Forgotten path). Every example we currently know of where the Forgotten ritual has been used on a living being it’s been to cleanse a dragon minion, but there’s nothing to say it can’t be used to provide protection to others. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if at some point that gets invoked to explain why the PC never gets corrupted.

From the few answers Anet has given in this regard it seems to be the case that, at least in the personal story, you being a Revenent (and your profession in general) plays no role and will not be mentioned. They want your story to be race-related and order-related but not profession-related so they are just going to ignore your profession completely.

Now, we have seen that this is different in the living story so perhaps it will be mentioned in the personal story of HoT but by that point in the timeline it will no longer matter.

Anyone else thinks it’s funny and inappropriate for Charr to became a revenant? First they say something like “rely on iron, not false gods”, and then he comes to the Mists, where gods’ domains are located. It’s like if Richard Dawkins stopped being an atheist kitten and became a miracle doing prophet. Revenants are basically shamans that voluntarily let spirits inhabit them for a time.

The charr have always believed the human gods to be real and no doubt also believe the mists are real. They just choose not to incorporate them into a belief system i.e. they choose not to worship and follow the gods. In addition, the Charr are pragmatic, if they can use the power of the mists and the power of legends against the dragons, they will.

Bunnytown.7801:

NekotTheBrave.2013:

Bunnytown.7801:

From what we know, Rytlock is the first Revenant. He returns from the mists a changed Charr. From what I’ve read is people hear about Rytlock, then start learning to become Revenant themselves. I don’t see Rytlock as much of a teacher, so I don’t know how people are supposed to follow in his footsteps…

Basically you can sum it up to “You are Revenant, because video game.”

I imagine you as a character emerge from the Mists like Rytlock did.

Yeah, except you will actually emerge from Divinities Reach to help Logan kill some centaurs :/

OMG I think I just died.

The Revenant in its lore and design is the Ritualist from the first Guild Wars.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ritualist

• Ritualists channel other-worldly energies that summon allies from the void and employ mystic binding rituals that bend those allies to the Ritualist’s will.
• They hood their eyes to better commune with spirits that grant great power and protection to Ritualists and their comrades.
• Where the Ranger lives as one with the spirit world, the Ritualist can and will be its master.
• Ritualists focused on channeling spirits from the Mists.
• Ritualists are masters of spirits, able to call upon them in battle for aid.

It’s more logical for futur Revenants to be former Ritualists getting an “upgrade” in their profession from the bits of knowledge Rytlock would have had time to communicate.

Better than the idea that farmers or carpenters suddenly becomes heroes because they found a “Learn easy magic to be a hero effortlessly” book on the floor…

If Rytlock says we should be Revenants, then we will be Revenants.

That’s enough story for me.

Rytlock don’t care of people who want to become Revenants. He’s not a teacher and will have his own goals to work at.

Halan.7931:

Anyone else thinks it’s funny and inappropriate for Charr to became a revenant? First they say something like “rely on iron, not false gods”, and then he comes to the Mists, where gods’ domains are located. It’s like if Richard Dawkins stopped being an atheist kitten and became a miracle doing prophet. Revenants are basically shamans that voluntarily let spirits inhabit them for a time.

At first glance, it is a bit weird.

I think the loophole is that the legends aren’t the actual beings, but a nonsapient echo of them. While they talk to you, this is simply an input/response reaction of what the original being WOULD say in that circumstance, but it’s more like a computer program responding to stimuli than something that has actual thought behind it. Hence, there’s no risk (or at least, limited risk) of the legend imposing its own agenda on the revenant.

Which is the main thing that the charr rejection of the gods and rebellion against the Flame Legion was about – they want to be sure that their agenda is their own, rather than being used as pawns in the schemes of other entities.

whats the lore behind revenant?

Kitty fell into a big hole chasing it’s toy.
No-one called the fire department.
The end.

Classes don’t get story in game races do so the lore you want for the revenant in the expansion will probably not happen as its not a race.

Chances are we’ll never get an answer of how Rytlock managed to make his way back, just like it was never explained (and probably never will be explained) how he got Rurik’s sword.

As I said in a similar topic, there is currently no problem with a revenant PC.
The profession doesn’t came out nowhere, not more than any other class do anyway.

Ritualist magic is old (at least) as humans, so it’s not that strange to find an individual with that kind of skills.
When you create a new revenant, you place him in the same time as any other new char.
The only thing changed after Rytlock return (so after the revenant PC has gone through the personal story and LS1&2) is that we learn that those abilities can be quite common, so we give a name to people who use them.

The only problem is the “Rytlock is the first revenant” quote anet used to promote the new profession.
But we were being told that in-game lore always win against interviews and the like.
A revenant PC talking to a still warrior Rytlock will be in game 100%, and that is in-game lore telling us that Rytlock wasn’t the first revenant.
So until we don’t have that quote in game we don’t need anything else to explain revenants.

tl;dr: Until nothing in the game says that Rytlock is the first revenant, a revenant PC can exists as any other profession PC, without any lore problem. It’s simply another take on old ritualist magic.

NekotTheBrave.2013:

endersluck.4708:

seems like a butt pull. class just came outta nowhere. i like to keep my good written story anet. I can handle the syvari are bad guys recon, but idk about this since theres no story.

For one, they seem to be related to Rytlock coming back from the Mists.

That’s all about we know so far: "A revenant is someone who returns from a long absence, often from death or in a supernatural way. "

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Revenant

which is very strange, because you can play a revenant and play in the story where he first appears.

This is one of the few areas where I think anet dropped the ball. Barring some kind of weird time travel story, it doesn’t work. And I hate them just handwaving it.

They could have justified earlier appearances of revenants by having a single revenant-only story instance where brand new revenants get trained, then go into a “fractal” that will then let them relive what other people had done pre-rytlock…. and then just run the stories normally.

Its a stretch, but at least it would have been something. This just irritates me.

Short answer, Rytlock came from the mists so he may have picked up some new tricks,

Long Answer, The revenant seems to be using very similar magics to a GW1 class called the “ritualist”

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ritualist

In the first game they were “mist-speakers” that could essentially speak/summon ancient hero’s or spirits to assist them in combat, think similar to necromancer magic but instead of a focus on flesh/blood/bone they focused on the afterlife and souls

So yes this magic has existed in the past, the reason its not in today’s tyria is because the Ritualist profession originates in Cantha, another continent in the world that we have not yet explored