Guild Wars 2

theres nothing to do in the new areas,
there are no new legendary weapons apart from those ugly 3
there is no new legendary armor just half of on achivment
there are no new raids apart from the 1st one
old good and playble WVW map were removed and been replaces with something “too big to be in the expension?”
and everything they said about the story was basicly a lie
my doesnt my revenant have conversations with their legends like they pomised.
it took them 2 years to make 50% of an expension and sell it to us while saying “its complete”
and they are even working on a new 1? while the 1st 1 isnt ready alot of people were raging at the price of the expension and there was a really good reason to.
gw2 will end up like gw1…..dead and forgotten.
after about 11,000 hours in Anet’s game. my money seems to be more important then my satesfaction for them….

There’s acctualy alot to do, alot of content is stuffed into different achivements and Collections. There’s alot of fun i think

Shinya.2598:

There’s acctualy alot to do, alot of content is stuffed into different achivements and Collections. There’s alot of fun i think

Its stretched content that consists mostly of grinding out the same goals over and over. Some of the map rewards for example require you to do the meta event several dozen times for a few items, and some of the more rediculous achievements even require doing things at least a couple hundred times in total.

Do you really consider that fun… ?

You must not’ve played very many other MMOs if you think rubberbanding content to make people feel rewarded for their money is a good thing. Playing psychological games with players helps the game in the short term, but damages its long term reputation and has lead to the demise of many popular games.

The expansion is good, I’ll give you that. But I’ll stand by my opinion that it took too much from the core game, and gave too little for the price.

Especially that awful, rushed and buggy story… :/

Shiro Tegachii.5619:

my doesnt my revenant have conversations with their legends like they pomised.
it

But we do have them.. You never hear these rgghhhht, rawrrwwwww, ahhhh?

They should just remove this kitten..

90% of the achivments were completed on my 2nd week of play of the expension

Not everyone has tons of time to play^^
And A-Net wrote that they want to split the content.

I have most of the achis, Nevermore and Astralaria, etc etc. But I’m not bored.
My own fault was that I’d rush the addon at the beginning. Not a good idea.

For me as a wvw roamer I was hyped up. At the end, this is what happent…
I was dissapointed in the specialisation traits of my favorite class, the New borderlands were a complete joke, (like eotm but then with more pve crap) I dont want a revenant, en in order to have a duel arena you must farm your ezz off combined with allot of gold, time, en people. But guess what, kitten pve. So what did Hot bring to a roaming guy like me… Exactly, nothing! Is it weird that I closen a New mmo as my main default mmorpg? Ofcourse not. Arenanet screwed it up xd

I just bought the expansion and it’s nice to have the xp I earn exploring go to good use learning cool traits. Gliding is an awesome addition to the game. The new maps and events are awesome. I love diving off a huge cliff and floating down wherever I want. Shooting a super rifle at some super dangerous bad guys is a neat event. The resource nodes are very convenient, especially in the cool new guild halls.

I do miss the castles in wvw. I didn’t really care for the Zerg wvw approach. The new maps are really hard to navigate unfortunately. It would be fun to have a super castle in the middle on a large hill, and it would be awesome to have a skill leveling system in wvw like gliding and bouncing, but maybe tweaked. Gliding would be cool. Maybe bring the rifles to wvw and other skills to balance out the Zerg rush like a massive pushback spell or something cool and epic. I think the biggest complaint is the walking time in wvw maps now, so maybe add teleports or something? But yes, the old maps were more classic castle mountain and had a nice feel, though I found the paths were a little indirect sometimes too.

How many products give you 11000 hours of entertainment for 60$?
You’ll eventually run out of stuff to do.

This is actually starting to worry me. We have not had any serious content updates since the raid wing in Nov except for the Shatterer Revamp. I’m sure most people would agree that the rest of the stuff in Winter 2016 quarter patch were QoL updates. I know there is a raid wing coming soon, but that’s it until April. What about the people who cannot do raids? They have nothing new to do until April. No living world season 3 yet , no new legendaries ( i know they are busy fixing the old ones) and we still cannot finish ad infinitum. Another thing they mentioned which scares me more than it makes me happy is that the April quarterly patch will be mostly about polishing HoT timers(making event chains shorter), less grindy, etc. What does this mean? Very little new content again and more QoL updates.
With that said, I hope I’m wrong and they will start rolling out Season 3 and the new legendaries and other content asap so we all have something to look forward to.
(By content updates i mean new content so i didnt include the festivals)

Maybe they’re working on how the current legendaries will work with future elite specs like shortbow on revenant?

Shiro Tegachii.5619:

theres nothing to do in the new areas,
there are no new legendary weapons apart from those ugly 3
there is no new legendary armor just half of on achivment
there are no new raids apart from the 1st one
old good and playble WVW map were removed and been replaces with something “too big to be in the expension?”
and everything they said about the story was basicly a lie
my doesnt my revenant have conversations with their legends like they pomised.
it took them 2 years to make 50% of an expension and sell it to us while saying “its complete”
and they are even working on a new 1? while the 1st 1 isnt ready alot of people were raging at the price of the expension and there was a really good reason to.
gw2 will end up like gw1…..dead and forgotten.
after about 11,000 hours in Anet’s game. my money seems to be more important then my satesfaction for them….

Your original question is fine: what happened to the rest of ‘things’ that were promised for the expansion: 13 more legendaries, a couple of raid wings, changes to fractals, changes to WvW, etc.

Answer: soon™. Near as I can tell, ANet always intended to deliver some expact features as part of the game’s quarterly updates.

In some ways, I like that: means there are always some fun stuff to look forward to. On the other hand, I think ANet should have been really clear about that before launch. Either way, it is what it is and I’ve chosen to accept it and enjoy what’s in the game now rather than take umbrage with why they didn’t deliver it all in October.

Shiro Tegachii.5619:

after about 11,000 hours in Anet’s game. my money seems to be more important then my satesfaction for them….

Is this serious … you played 11000 hours and you don’t think you got your due satisfactions from the price you paid?

#unreasonableexpectations

Obtena.7952:

Shiro Tegachii.5619:

after about 11,000 hours in Anet’s game. my money seems to be more important then my satesfaction for them….

Is this serious … you played 11000 hours and you don’t think you got your due satisfactions from the price you paid?

#unreasonableexpectations

Assuming that the core game was bought at full retail price and that HoT was also bought, that works out to about $0.01 per hour. That is rather expensive… (sarcasm)

Hannelore.8153:

Shinya.2598:

There’s acctualy alot to do, alot of content is stuffed into different achivements and Collections. There’s alot of fun i think

Its stretched content that consists mostly of grinding out the same goals over and over. Some of the map rewards for example require you to do the meta event several dozen times for a few items, and some of the more rediculous achievements even require doing things at least a couple hundred times in total.

Do you really consider that fun… ?

You must not’ve played very many other MMOs if you think rubberbanding content to make people feel rewarded for their money is a good thing. Playing psychological games with players helps the game in the short term, but damages its long term reputation and has lead to the demise of many popular games.

The expansion is good, I’ll give you that. But I’ll stand by my opinion that it took too much from the core game, and gave too little for the price.

Especially that awful, rushed and buggy story… :/

The story is quite short and a bit narrow perhaps but it’s really well done, and it’s quite fun too.
Yea I’ve played a few mmo’s though I’m a real GW2 fan. been playing sence GW1 EoTN

Wou, he enjoyed 11K hours and he thinks it was not worth his money

Assassin’s Creed games generally promise 40 hours of content for the same price as the core game of Guild Wars 2. Good deals over here in Tyria. ^.^

• Also I loved the story. Only buggy part was the end.
• I love the new specs for my main characters.
• I love the gliding and the multi-layered jungle, though they could improve map visibility for team/squad members and also team members UI names when they are above or below you.

If you’re feeling burnt out with all GW2 has to offer, you might be playing the game in too much of a grindy way. There are plenty of things in the game that aren’t grindy. You might be treating the game like a second job trying to go for all the fancy items in the game, when you can just be more leisurely and run about seeing the sights or doing fun community events.

Mortifer.2946:

Wou, he enjoyed 11K hours and he thinks it was not worth his money

I think it’s safe to assume that the vast majority of those hours were spent before the launch of HoT. Why would they be taken into account when judging HoT?

Thing is, there was stuff to do in the core game. As a frequent dungeon runner, I was running dungeons every day and it was fun for me. Now I have nothing to do, since nothing from the new expansion is appealing for me. The only thing I bought it for was the legendary weapons, which don’t look that they are gonna be released any time soon.

Obtena.7952:

Shiro Tegachii.5619:

after about 11,000 hours in Anet’s game. my money seems to be more important then my satesfaction for them….

Is this serious … you played 11000 hours and you don’t think you got your due satisfactions from the price you paid?

#unreasonableexpectations

Mortifer.2946:

Wou, he enjoyed 11K hours and he thinks it was not worth his money

Not worth their money any more, as in they have changed the way they do things and it’s not worth it.

You guys need to read before pulling the “entitlement” card.

The time spent playing was to establish that the OP is a person who is a veteran and not some newbie, thus lending credibility to their critique.

It’s not a “I should have gotten 11,001 hours for my $60!” complaint… -_-

Substance E.4852:

Obtena.7952:

Shiro Tegachii.5619:

after about 11,000 hours in Anet’s game. my money seems to be more important then my satesfaction for them….

Is this serious … you played 11000 hours and you don’t think you got your due satisfactions from the price you paid?

#unreasonableexpectations

Mortifer.2946:

Wou, he enjoyed 11K hours and he thinks it was not worth his money

Not worth their money any more, as in they have changed the way they do things and it’s not worth it.

You guys need to read before pulling the “entitlement” card.

The time spent playing was to establish that the OP is a person who is a veteran and not some newbie, thus lending credibility to their critique.

It’s not a “I should have gotten 11,001 hours for my $60!” complaint… -_-

Right, it’s not worth it anymore so … the value they got from 11K for a hundred bucks just disappears? Gotcha.

Obtena.7952:

Right, it’s not worth it anymore so … the value they got from 11K for a hundred bucks just disappears? Gotcha.

no, that just means that the original GW2 was a good purchase. If they couldn’t even get a couple tens of hours out of HoT though, HoT was a really BAD purchase.

Mirta.5029:

Obtena.7952:

Right, it’s not worth it anymore so … the value they got from 11K for a hundred bucks just disappears? Gotcha.

no, that just means that the original GW2 was a good purchase. If they couldn’t even get a couple tens of hours out of HoT though, HoT was a really BAD purchase.

Yup, I got that. Yet still, for the OP to claim he didn’t get his value from the total time he spent ingame for the price he paid, is ridiculous. OP claims Anet’s bottom line is more important than satisfying someone who’s played 11000 … Obviously that’s a little disingenuous because they are exceptional case. I don’t think it’s a stretch to see that he’s got MORE than his money’s worth from the time he’s played, even when HoT is included.

He real complain (which I find poorly expressed) is that he paid for HoT and didn’t get the expected value from it.

Obtena.7952:

Mirta.5029:

Obtena.7952:

Right, it’s not worth it anymore so … the value they got from 11K for a hundred bucks just disappears? Gotcha.

no, that just means that the original GW2 was a good purchase. If they couldn’t even get a couple tens of hours out of HoT though, HoT was a really BAD purchase.

Yup, I got that. Yet still, for the OP to claim he didn’t get his value from the total time he spent ingame for the price he paid, is ridiculous.

There is no such claim anywhere.

Manasa Devi.7958:

Obtena.7952:

Mirta.5029:

Obtena.7952:

Right, it’s not worth it anymore so … the value they got from 11K for a hundred bucks just disappears? Gotcha.

no, that just means that the original GW2 was a good purchase. If they couldn’t even get a couple tens of hours out of HoT though, HoT was a really BAD purchase.

Yup, I got that. Yet still, for the OP to claim he didn’t get his value from the total time he spent ingame for the price he paid, is ridiculous.

There is no such claim anywhere.

Agreed. The post includes some overblown rhetoric which steered people the wrong direction.

What he said was (paraphrase):
“I got 1100 hours of enjoyment from GW2/core. — Where are my 1100 hours from HoT?”

(that’s a question that many of us have addressed above)

tl;dr ignore the OP’s anti-hype; it’s a red herring

I thought the actual complaint was pretty clear and apart from a slight exaggeration, totally based on the reality of what is HoT. The red herrings are what the people piling ridiculous and unwarranted nonsense replies on one turn of phrase are throwing out.

I guess if you can’t answer the genuine questions raised in the OP, you patronize and ridicule. Parr for the course on these forums.

There are questions raised by the OP? I see a total of 1 question related to WvW … the rest is just a rant.

Frankly, I stopped at the first statement because it in itself is ridiculous and set the tone for the remainder of his post. There is NOTHING to do in new areas? That’s nonsense … especially for something that has ground his keyboard out on 11000 hours of core GW2. So the guy found 11000 hours of content to play in Core GW2 but there is NOTHING for him to do in HoT? I call BS.

Every single statement he’s made could be completely dismissed in a similar manner. being sensational and absolute does not make for a discussion starter. In conclusion; he doesn’t want to be taken seriously.

You stopped at the first sentence yet you commented on the last?

Sure.

Pot, kettle.

Of course, you’re just looking for a reason to argue with me because anyone that posts anything that slams HoT, no matter how to the point, deserves your ire … so that’s your value add I guess.

I commented on the thread content. It’s relevant. You took issue with it. If you agree with the poster, say why and support his opinion.

OP’s post feels like a tantrum, nothing more. Actually, I’d go so far as to say it doesn’t just feel that way, it really is nothing more than the tantrum of someone who had lots of expectations, didn’t read all the pre-HoT news and information. Half of his “complaints” could’ve been prevented if he’d read the press releases and the other half is due to unfounded expectations. I mean, you can expect all you want but nowhere does it say that your expectations actually have to be met. Well, the WvW seems to be true, mostly. Though I don’t bother with WvW because that’s just boring beep to me anyway.

Replace “expansion” with “season pass” and it all starts to make sense.

Obtena.7952:

I commented on the thread content. It’s relevant. You took issue with it. If you agree with the poster, say why and support his opinion.

I pointed out how you stated something completely false about the OP. That seems to me like a perfectly valid and relevant contribution. More relevant than your reply to something that wasn’t said anyway.

Manasa Devi.7958:

Obtena.7952:

I commented on the thread content. It’s relevant. You took issue with it. If you agree with the poster, say why and support his opinion.

I pointed out how you stated something completely false about the OP. That seems to me like a perfectly valid and relevant contribution. More relevant than your reply to something that wasn’t said anyway.

That’s great …

… so do you agree with the OP that there is nothing to do in the expansion or not?

I’m sure the OP didn’t intend his “nothing to do” to be taken completely literally, just like you didn’t intend “Frankly, I stopped at the first statement” to be taken literally.

Although “Frankly” isn’t a word you should be using if you aren’t being frank. Which you obviously weren’t.

It’s good to know you think he didn’t intend it ….

Do you agree with him or not? … or are you just going to avoid discussing the topic of the thread by playing grammar police?

Pointing out lies and misinformation doesn’t fall under the auspices of the grammar police.

Are you ever going to acknowledge the misinformation and lies you’ve posted in this thread, and maybe even offer the OP an apology for derailing it? Because you’ve managed to turn your mistaken posts into a long, drawn out sequence of backpedaling and deflecting, just because you can’t seem to admit being wrong. Which you were.

A simple “Oh, right, I see now that he didn’t claim that the value he got from playing for 11,000 hours just disappeared. My bad.” would’ve avoided this entire thing.

I’ll put a stop to it if you can’t.

Mirta.5029:

Obtena.7952:

Right, it’s not worth it anymore so … the value they got from 11K for a hundred bucks just disappears? Gotcha.

no, that just means that the original GW2 was a good purchase. If they couldn’t even get a couple tens of hours out of HoT though, HoT was a really BAD purchase.

I got a couple of hundred hours out of HoT. It wasn’t a bad purchase for me. I run Fractals now and didn’t enjoy them as much before HoT. That’s another plus. I love some of the elite specs, that’s another plus, because I can use them anyway. I like the breakbar changes too. That affects the whole game. I don’t like action cam but I’m sure some people do. I enjoy gliding in core Tyria now, btw. I even like the Revenant which I can play anywhere. And yes, I enjoyed the Hot story as well on more than one character.

Vayne.8563:

Mirta.5029:

Obtena.7952:

Right, it’s not worth it anymore so … the value they got from 11K for a hundred bucks just disappears? Gotcha.

no, that just means that the original GW2 was a good purchase. If they couldn’t even get a couple tens of hours out of HoT though, HoT was a really BAD purchase.

I got a couple of hundred hours out of HoT. It wasn’t a bad purchase for me. I run Fractals now and didn’t enjoy them as much before HoT. That’s another plus. I love some of the elite specs, that’s another plus, because I can use them anyway. I like the breakbar changes too. That affects the whole game. I don’t like action cam but I’m sure some people do. I enjoy gliding in core Tyria now, btw. I even like the Revenant which I can play anywhere. And yes, I enjoyed the Hot story as well on more than one character.

your opinion is completely valid Vayne, but so is OPs. Ncsoft’s financial report in regards to Anet is obviously quite good, they nearly doubled their normal quarter income, however as who found the expansion appealing, the game and the forums obviously show a split. While it’s valid that you enjoy it, nobody in my guild did, we all left. And it’s also valid for us, and for people like OP to express their lack of pleasure in HoT.

Mirta.5029:

Vayne.8563:

Mirta.5029:

Obtena.7952:

Right, it’s not worth it anymore so … the value they got from 11K for a hundred bucks just disappears? Gotcha.

no, that just means that the original GW2 was a good purchase. If they couldn’t even get a couple tens of hours out of HoT though, HoT was a really BAD purchase.

I got a couple of hundred hours out of HoT. It wasn’t a bad purchase for me. I run Fractals now and didn’t enjoy them as much before HoT. That’s another plus. I love some of the elite specs, that’s another plus, because I can use them anyway. I like the breakbar changes too. That affects the whole game. I don’t like action cam but I’m sure some people do. I enjoy gliding in core Tyria now, btw. I even like the Revenant which I can play anywhere. And yes, I enjoyed the Hot story as well on more than one character.

your opinion is completely valid Vayne, but so is OPs. Ncsoft’s financial report in regards to Anet is obviously quite good, they nearly doubled their normal quarter income, however as who found the expansion appealing, the game and the forums obviously show a split. While it’s valid that you enjoy it, nobody in my guild did, we all left. And it’s also valid for us, and for people like OP to express their lack of pleasure in HoT.

And people in my guild came back, which is my point. But saying HoT is a really bad purchase is just a matter of opinion too. HoT is a really bad purchase to you. The fact is, however, that HoT didn’t sell that well and no one who didn’t buy it can say if it’s a really good purchase or not, simply because they didn’t buy it. This is my issue.

The game gets some really bad publicity up front and scares off a number of people from buying HoT. People use the word grind over and over and over, even though the mastery points themselves, certainly the ones you must have, just isn’t that grindy. But that doesn’t matter, because a dozen or so people repeating the word grind in dozens of threads is enough to give the impression that there’s a lot of people who think it’s really grindy.

It would be a lot more grindy if I had to do it on every character, but considering it’s account based, it’s really not that grind. Except for people who have to have everything now. That’s another story.

So now we have less people buying the expansion, based on that, or based on the price debacle or whatever. They don’t know if the expansion is worth it or not.

I have almost 300 people in my guild now, but 200 of them were there before HoT launched and everyone bought it, or at least, I’m aware of no one who didn’t buy it. I haven’t met one person in the guild who things HoT wasn’t worth it, though I have met a couple of people who have experienced some frustration.

There have been serious detractors from HoT that joined my guild and found what I said to be true. We showed them how to get around and how to handle the new zones and suddenly HoT wasn’t the monster it had first appeared.

Are there problems with HoT. Absolutely. No one is saying otherwise. But the amount of people saying that HOT is too hard, or too grindy or too whatever…it’s a handful of people making an awful lot of noise.

I’d say HoT didn’t get nearly the reception Anet hoped it would get. But I also say that Hot got a better reception than those who don’t like it believe.

The truth, as usual is somewhere in the middle.

Which leads us to the question in the OP, where is the rest of HoT. HoT, in my mind, was always meant to be a season pass as well as an expansion. I’ve said this before too. That means over time it’s value would be added too.

Imagine if all 12 legendaries had come out at the same time what the price of mats would have been. The complaints would have been legendary. It’s better for the game, in my opinion, that they werent’ released all at once. We know Living Story Season 3 is coming too. We know more raids are coming.

But we’ve also received things we didn’t know were coming like the Shatterer revamp and gliding in Central Tyria.

My guess is, even if HoT isn’t worth it now by the time the next expansion comes out it will be.

Vayne.8563:

And people in my guild came back, which is my point. But saying HoT is a really bad purchase is just a matter of opinion too. HoT is a really bad purchase to you. The fact is, however, that HoT didn’t sell that well and no one who didn’t buy it can say if it’s a really good purchase or not, simply because they didn’t buy it. This is my issue.

Yet the OP has obviously bought it?

Vayne.8563:

The game gets some really bad publicity up front and scares off a number of people from buying HoT.

there are various reasons people might not want to purchase HoT. One of such reasons could indeed be bad publicity, but bad publicity does not come out of nowhere. Bad opinions are still legitimate opinions. HoT did not release up to standard of everyone and people are free to express this.

Furthermore that is not a sole reason for why HoT did not sell. One of the reasons could be for example that refunding HoT would close your account entirely, instead of just forbidding you from going into new areas/ using your newly acquired masteries, like some MMOs would do. Meaning HoT is much more of a gamble and people are much more dependent on the outside opinion.

Vayne.8563:

People use the word grind over and over and over, even though the mastery points themselves, certainly the ones you must have, just isn’t that grindy.

Grinding is defined as repeating the same action over and over and over again. HoT masteries being limited to only getting increased by HoT activities, cause just that. Besides for those 15 minutes that adventures would be open, main source of your Exp will be either dynamic events or enemy killing, which causes said grind. Dynamic event systems are actually not too uncommon in other MMOs as well, meaning on average in a traditional MMO I could gain Exp trough instances (most often dungeons), killing enemies repeatedly, dynamic events (Rifts, Fates, whatever other MMOs wish to call it) and questing. Sometimes there’s even more options that gain you exp (for example in GW2 vanilla such things as gathering herbs, or crafting, or PvPing (tomes!) also did the trick), however expansion pack severely limited that when it came to new HoT exclusive masteries. Hence the word “grinding” gets used often.

Vayne.8563:

I have almost 300 people in my guild now, but 200 of them were there before HoT launched and everyone bought it, or at least, I’m aware of no one who didn’t buy it. I haven’t met one person in the guild who things HoT wasn’t worth it, though I have met a couple of people who have experienced some frustration.

that’s a nice personal experience. Similarly enough HoT killed a lot of guilds. Unlike a normal expansion HoT made sure that normal old content got something extra added to it specifically for those that have HoT (fractals are not worth it now, unless you have HoT and the mastery). It also caused a lot of problems in PvP as those with HoT PvP against those without.
If this was a more traditional MMO (for example World of Warcraft), there would be nothing stopping you from NOT buying the expansion if it doesn’t interest you, as you could continue doing what you loved doing before (heck in WoWs PvP twinking even used to be a huge thing). GW2 is more of a HoT or bust. Meaning those who didn’t like the theme of the current expansion simply left.
Similarly HoT provided a very narrow amount of content in comparrison to the amount of content that was enjoyed by people before. Meaning that a lot of people whose area of liking did not get updated (and there were many), simply chose to either refund and loose their account, or leave.

It’s great that HoT was a successful expansion to you, however concerning those that it wasn’t, they have the right to express their concerns.

Vayne.8563:

Imagine if all 12 legendaries had come out at the same time what the price of mats would have been. The complaints would have been legendary. It’s better for the game, in my opinion, that they werent’ released all at once. We know Living Story Season 3 is coming too. We know more raids are coming.

You mean the raid that was supposed to be finished is still under development?

HoT as it is released very bare. Unexcusably bare. You might say “oh it will be worth it in the future!”, but the bottom line is, for a lot it’s not worth it right now. And when it will become worth it, parts of it will be behind a paywall again (Living Story Season 3 for example, how much do you want to bet that it will become payed?), further pushing away possible customers. As choices are, buy now on wishful thinking, or perhaps have your wishful thinking validated later, only to realize that it will be too expensive to get into.

Also an MMO that I’m playing, releases all the legendaries and all the updates to legendaries at the same time. They cope with the marketboard pricings by also introducing new crafting materials, tied specifically to new legendaries. Having in mind that ascended materials are a thing, Anet perfectly could have done that.

Similarly postponing them might have done more harm than good. As imagine, you’re not an altoholic. You have a specific class, or a specific set of classes that you like that use specific weapons. You buy the expansion only to realize that there are no real new shinies for you to work towards. Are you really going to stick around waiting, if working on said items was your intention?

Vayne.8563:

My guess is, even if HoT isn’t worth it now by the time the next expansion comes out it will be.

by which point it will be free. So once again people being disappointed about what they got for their money have a right to be disappointed.

I just logged to check out how the expansion was coming, if its worth buying.

Is it true that they only have 4 raid bosses now, like 6 months after release? Are there plans only to release a total of one raid with 12 total bosses for one expansion, or what is the deal???!

petespri.6548:

I just logged to check out how the expansion was coming, if its worth buying.

Is it true that they only have 4 raid bosses now, like 6 months after release? Are there plans only to release a total of one raid with 12 total bosses for one expansion, or what is the deal???!

Plans are 4-6 raid wings in a year. Currently there is only 1 wing out with 3 bosses. Next wing should be coming in the next month or so.

Mirta.5029:

Vayne.8563:

And people in my guild came back, which is my point. But saying HoT is a really bad purchase is just a matter of opinion too. HoT is a really bad purchase to you. The fact is, however, that HoT didn’t sell that well and no one who didn’t buy it can say if it’s a really good purchase or not, simply because they didn’t buy it. This is my issue.

Yet the OP has obviously bought it?

Vayne.8563:

The game gets some really bad publicity up front and scares off a number of people from buying HoT.

there are various reasons people might not want to purchase HoT. One of such reasons could indeed be bad publicity, but bad publicity does not come out of nowhere. Bad opinions are still legitimate opinions. HoT did not release up to standard of everyone and people are free to express this.

Furthermore that is not a sole reason for why HoT did not sell. One of the reasons could be for example that refunding HoT would close your account entirely, instead of just forbidding you from going into new areas/ using your newly acquired masteries, like some MMOs would do. Meaning HoT is much more of a gamble and people are much more dependent on the outside opinion.

Vayne.8563:

People use the word grind over and over and over, even though the mastery points themselves, certainly the ones you must have, just isn’t that grindy.

Grinding is defined as repeating the same action over and over and over again. HoT masteries being limited to only getting increased by HoT activities, cause just that. Besides for those 15 minutes that adventures would be open, main source of your Exp will be either dynamic events or enemy killing, which causes said grind. Dynamic event systems are actually not too uncommon in other MMOs as well, meaning on average in a traditional MMO I could gain Exp trough instances (most often dungeons), killing enemies repeatedly, dynamic events (Rifts, Fates, whatever other MMOs wish to call it) and questing. Sometimes there’s even more options that gain you exp (for example in GW2 vanilla such things as gathering herbs, or crafting, or PvPing (tomes!) also did the trick), however expansion pack severely limited that when it came to new HoT exclusive masteries. Hence the word “grinding” gets used often.

Vayne.8563:

I have almost 300 people in my guild now, but 200 of them were there before HoT launched and everyone bought it, or at least, I’m aware of no one who didn’t buy it. I haven’t met one person in the guild who things HoT wasn’t worth it, though I have met a couple of people who have experienced some frustration.

that’s a nice personal experience. Similarly enough HoT killed a lot of guilds. Unlike a normal expansion HoT made sure that normal old content got something extra added to it specifically for those that have HoT (fractals are not worth it now, unless you have HoT and the mastery). It also caused a lot of problems in PvP as those with HoT PvP against those without.
If this was a more traditional MMO (for example World of Warcraft), there would be nothing stopping you from NOT buying the expansion if it doesn’t interest you, as you could continue doing what you loved doing before (heck in WoWs PvP twinking even used to be a huge thing). GW2 is more of a HoT or bust. Meaning those who didn’t like the theme of the current expansion simply left.
Similarly HoT provided a very narrow amount of content in comparrison to the amount of content that was enjoyed by people before. Meaning that a lot of people whose area of liking did not get updated (and there were many), simply chose to either refund and loose their account, or leave.

It’s great that HoT was a successful expansion to you, however concerning those that it wasn’t, they have the right to express their concerns.

Vayne.8563:

Imagine if all 12 legendaries had come out at the same time what the price of mats would have been. The complaints would have been legendary. It’s better for the game, in my opinion, that they werent’ released all at once. We know Living Story Season 3 is coming too. We know more raids are coming.

You mean the raid that was supposed to be finished is still under development?

HoT as it is released very bare. Unexcusably bare. You might say “oh it will be worth it in the future!”, but the bottom line is, for a lot it’s not worth it right now. And when it will become worth it, parts of it will be behind a paywall again (Living Story Season 3 for example, how much do you want to bet that it will become payed?), further pushing away possible customers. As choices are, buy now on wishful thinking, or perhaps have your wishful thinking validated later, only to realize that it will be too expensive to get into.

Also an MMO that I’m playing, releases all the legendaries and all the updates to legendaries at the same time. They cope with the marketboard pricings by also introducing new crafting materials, tied specifically to new legendaries. Having in mind that ascended materials are a thing, Anet perfectly could have done that.

Similarly postponing them might have done more harm than good. As imagine, you’re not an altoholic. You have a specific class, or a specific set of classes that you like that use specific weapons. You buy the expansion only to realize that there are no real new shinies for you to work towards. Are you really going to stick around waiting, if working on said items was your intention?

Vayne.8563:

My guess is, even if HoT isn’t worth it now by the time the next expansion comes out it will be.

by which point it will be free. So once again people being disappointed about what they got for their money have a right to be disappointed.

Grinding is definitely defined by doing the same content over and over, not the same FOUR ZONES over and over. That’s ridiculous. You can level masteries in any of the four zones in hot. YOu can level them by grinding mobs, which some people did, by dynamic events, by adventures, by raiding.

So yeah, not a grind by your definition.

I get it. You don’t like the game so it’s not worth it to you. There are easily a couple of dozen posters who REALLY don’t like the game and post everywhere.

But you know,. if the game has half a million people playing it,. that’s not such a big percentage. It is, however a very LOUD percentage.

Also, there are different depths of dislike. To you HoT is the end of the world. However, you’ve already ragequit the game twice before HoT if I recall correctly.

Now you’re saying HoT is the evil bad thing but before you said other things were the evil bad thing.

It’s entirely possible you just don’t like the game.

We can twist it as much as we like, the PvE content of HoT is just not well-designed because they are awful for replayability. Sure, they are all big meta event maps with “lots of things to do”… but let’s take a closer look.
Dragon’s Stand requires you to spend a lot of time in there smashing buttons continuously so as to not lose participation.
Tangled Depths is a nice map, but if you go in a few minutes before the Gerent, you can still get more than enough participation just by doing the Gerent events so you don’t actually have any incentive to do the events leading up to it.
Auric Basin. Really great-looking altogether but again, go in a few minutes before the vines pop up, get some participation going, do the vine event and grab the chests.
Verdant Brink has this awesome day-night cycle, lots of verticality, tons of events but… all you want to go there is to go “Gordon Freeman” on the airship cargos.

These maps may be a farmer’s paradise, but 4 maps get boring really fast especially without anything else to do.
Alas the OP is also right about the fact that everything is still a work in progress, a lot of things are still not accessible.
It’s really not about whether anyone is getting their money’s worth, it’s about customer satisfaction and Anet is doing an abysmal job at that.

kolompi.1287:

These maps may be a farmer’s paradise, but 4 maps get boring really fast especially without anything else to do.
Alas the OP is also right about the fact that everything is still a work in progress, a lot of things are still not accessible.
It’s really not about whether anyone is getting their money’s worth, it’s about customer satisfaction and Anet is doing an abysmal job at that.

Actually SW is still better.

These maps have too much down time and a fixed schedule. In theory SW has down time too but in practice you can just taxi to another instance so it is up to the player to choose what they want. SW lets you farm continously. VB is the only new map that comes close.

I agree with this guy. I mean hot was fun and there was a few things to do, but i remember in august when i bought the game that some things were promised, and we didn’t get it.
Like the legendaries or the raid. It will soon be 6 months since the expansion got released and we still only have only 3 legendaries. I paid for something and they said I will get it. But I waited 6 months and there still nothing. Personally i’m kinda disapointed.

It’s the same for the raid, it’s the first game i played where the next path take so much time to be implement in game. you will be expecting something like 1/2/3 week beetween each path, so from anet i was expecting something like 1 months or in the worst case 2 months. And here, it’s been 6 months since the realease and nothing.

Anyway, the game is great but they are really SLOW to release thing. It’s like 1 year without nothing. Everyone complain. They said something is coming. 6 months with nothing. Everyone still complain. They show us things we will get when no one of this things is ready. 2 months with nothing. They give us a date in like 2 months. Everyone complain because we have been waiting since a long time already but atleast we got a date. The date come and nothing it’s finish, but they can’t comeback on their words now so they still realease the content saying we will get the rest later and all of this was plan. 6 months later still nothing.

PS : Sorry for my english, i’m not a native english speaker

Vayne.8563:

Grinding is definitely defined by doing the same content over and over, not the same FOUR ZONES over and over. That’s ridiculous. You can level masteries in any of the four zones in hot. YOu can level them by grinding mobs, which some people did, by dynamic events, by adventures, by raiding.

So yeah, not a grind by your definition.

I get it. You don’t like the game so it’s not worth it to you. There are easily a couple of dozen posters who REALLY don’t like the game and post everywhere.

But you know,. if the game has half a million people playing it,. that’s not such a big percentage. It is, however a very LOUD percentage.

Also, there are different depths of dislike. To you HoT is the end of the world. However, you’ve already ragequit the game twice before HoT if I recall correctly.

Now you’re saying HoT is the evil bad thing but before you said other things were the evil bad thing.

It’s entirely possible you just don’t like the game.

okay, you just entered HoT. Tell me how are you able to a) leave the first map b) level masteries by raiding? You’re stuck there either doing dynamic events or grinding mobs for the most part.
HoT is not an evil bad thing. It’s just that it’s not perfect and we can all see that. And HoT being as it is, a lot of people are disappointed. And they have the right to be here and be upset. They have the right to be vocal if they so wish to.

I’m on both sides here.

1) Raids
They told us in advance that Raid were coming 1 wing at the time and that the first 3 wings was to be in the game in the first year. So far they seem to be pretty kitten right on that. The 2nd wing is ’’suppose’’ to come by mid march, which would mean that they respecting their words. Now, we’ll have to see if the 2nd wing actually get in the game by mid march and that the 3rd wing come in July or not. We’ll see, but so far it seem good.

2) Legendaries Well that’s a big harder to defend. There will be 16 next legendaries and so far in 4 months we got 3 and we still doesn’t have any idea when will the 2nd batch will come. They announced new legendary and new way to get precursor by the end of 2013

‘’We aren’t quite ready to go into all the details here, but what I can say is you will see a specific way to build precursor items on your way to a legendary. On top of this, you’ll also see new legendary weapons and new types of legendary gear in 2013’’

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/looking-ahead-guild-wars-2-in-2013/

2 years latter and we have only 3 of them. This is just ridiculous. That said, they can still salvage things. Maybe they added only 3 of them and the old precursor crafting just to test thing out and that in the autumn and summer patch they will give us like 6-7 new legendaries so by July 2016 we would have all the new legendaries in-game. But that’s a big maybe. I’m not very confident in Anet and to be honest all 16 legendaries should have been in the game when HoT launched.

3) WvW They are talking about a big WvW update coming into the game. But again, we have no idea when. Maybe they will surprise us in the autumn or summer update. That said, that don’t excuse that crap of new maps they gave us that totally ruins what little WvW was still alive.

4) Fractal No new fractals in an expansion, that’s just so bad if you ask me, especially since fractal update was suppose to be a decent part of the expansion. Not only that, but they find of ruined fractal with the expansion. They partially fixed it latter, but it still have a lot more issues that it used to have. No daily 75-100, ascended drop are only good in 51+ daily while it used to be decent in daily 20, 30, 40 and 50. The high level are just HP Sponge, the reward system push people to only do the easiest 3 for daily.

Mirta.5029:

Vayne.8563:

Grinding is definitely defined by doing the same content over and over, not the same FOUR ZONES over and over. That’s ridiculous. You can level masteries in any of the four zones in hot. YOu can level them by grinding mobs, which some people did, by dynamic events, by adventures, by raiding.

So yeah, not a grind by your definition.

I get it. You don’t like the game so it’s not worth it to you. There are easily a couple of dozen posters who REALLY don’t like the game and post everywhere.

But you know,. if the game has half a million people playing it,. that’s not such a big percentage. It is, however a very LOUD percentage.

Also, there are different depths of dislike. To you HoT is the end of the world. However, you’ve already ragequit the game twice before HoT if I recall correctly.

Now you’re saying HoT is the evil bad thing but before you said other things were the evil bad thing.

It’s entirely possible you just don’t like the game.

okay, you just entered HoT. Tell me how are you able to a) leave the first map b) level masteries by raiding? You’re stuck there either doing dynamic events or grinding mobs for the most part.
HoT is not an evil bad thing. It’s just that it’s not perfect and we can all see that. And HoT being as it is, a lot of people are disappointed. And they have the right to be here and be upset. They have the right to be vocal if they so wish to.

You enter HoT. You’ve done the story presumably. Now you have event chains, you have gathering, you have adventures. All those things are something you can do.

If you follow a single event chain, you’ve leveled gliding. If you follow a different event chain, you level mushroom jumping. You can do two more of your stories. By the time you’re done with that, just through killing and event chains, which is basic to the game, you have yout third mastery done.

I did it tonight with a guildie who just got hot. On day 1 he has three masteries unlocked just playing the game.

When you start a new character in Guild Wars 2, you have to get to level 10 before you can access your story at all. The way to do that? Events and hearts, killing. That’s what you get.

This isn’t really that hard to understand. If this is grindy then the game has always been grindy.

Technically if you were patient and didn’t want to get everything done fast, you could even level by gathering if you really wanted. It’s just not the most efficient way to level.

And hero points give you XP. Events give you XP.

If you follow the very first event chain from the very first way point, you get to an unlocked adventure you can do without requiring a single mastery. The experience you get from that alone is huge.

By the time you’ve leveled the first three masteries, which is a few hours, you have access to far more stuff, including the raid. So I really don’t know what you’re talking about.

And yes, it is 100% possible to walk through the first map and get to the second if that’s what you want to do. Or join a guild that has the guild hall in the second map, go to the guild hall and walk out the door.