Guild Wars 2

I had a theory while looking over the F&F content after completing the dungeon.

Specifically regarding Rox and Braham.

I think they will eventually become a successor to the NPC guild “Destiny’s Edge”.

Each has a tie to a former DE member (Rytlock and Eir respectively). I have a feeling that we will eventually see a new character from the remaining races enter into the “Living Story” to complete a new NPC guild of iconic characters.

Any thoughts? Criticisms? Is there a glaring hole somewhere that I am missing?

There are parallels, but I think they this might be the Living Story cast, while Destiny’s Edge would be the Personal Story stuff. Also, just because they are associated with members does not always mean that they are successors. In fact, I doubt Braham would want to be associated with his mother.

DE’s nemeses are the Elder Dragons. I get the feeling that this “personal nemesis” we’ll see at the end of this will be what Braham and Rox’s possible guild (if there are more) would be initially for.

BunnytheSwordsman.4173:

There are parallels, but I think they this might be the Living Story cast, while Destiny’s Edge would be the Personal Story stuff. Also, just because they are associated with members does not always mean that they are successors. In fact, I doubt Braham would want to be associated with his mother.

DE’s nemeses are the Elder Dragons. I get the feeling that this “personal nemesis” we’ll see at the end of this will be what Braham and Rox’s possible guild (if there are more) would be initially for.

Well whether or not someone likes their parent doesn’t disqualify them from being a successor – and maybe successor was a poor word to use. Using my explanation they could possibly just be a new guild, alongside DE possibly.

I’m also not saying their quest will in any way be associated with the Elder Dragons.

I think that not having Braham and Rox in new game expansions would be a bad idea, but I do not think that they necessarily need to be a new Destiny’s Edge either.

There was a thread on this in the living story forum when part 3 first came out. Exact same concept. Most folks responded with what BunnytheSwordsman said – that there will be a “living story focus group” (starting with Braham and Rox) while Destiny’s Edge remains as a “personal story focus group.”

Personally, I don’t see why people go about Braham and Rox being part of a “new” Destiny’s Edge, rather than eventually joining the current Destiny’s Edge. It’s not like there’s a rule saying “there can be only five!” or the like (after all, it started out with 6! Two asura!).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

There was a thread on this in the living story forum when part 3 first came out. Exact same concept. Most folks responded with what BunnytheSwordsman said – that there will be a “living story focus group” (starting with Braham and Rox) while Destiny’s Edge remains as a “personal story focus group.”

Personally, I don’t see why people go about Braham and Rox being part of a “new” Destiny’s Edge, rather than eventually joining the current Destiny’s Edge. It’s not like there’s a rule saying “there can be only five!” or the like (after all, it started out with 6! Two asura!).

Oh I agree completely, it’s all just speculation. I like the idea that their will be a living story NPC guild along with a Destiny’s Edge guild. Much like we had in GW1 with Mhenlo, Devona, etc.

There we go, the story behind the GW2 dungeons is trying to get the Living Story Guild to get along with Destiny’s Edge so they can all fight along and take out a new threat! There’s an obvious distance between Braham and Eir. IDK just speculation.

Narcemus.1348:

There we go, the story behind the GW2 dungeons is trying to get the Living Story Guild to get along with Destiny’s Edge so they can all fight along and take out a new threat! There’s an obvious distance between Braham and Eir. IDK just speculation.

Our GW2 characters would make millions as therapists.

Our GW1 characters too. After all, we fixed the mess that was Gwen.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Our GW1 characters too. After all, we fixed the mess that was Gwen.

Barely. In the end, this girl was still borderline insane.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

There was a thread on this in the living story forum when part 3 first came out. Exact same concept. Most folks responded with what BunnytheSwordsman said – that there will be a “living story focus group” (starting with Braham and Rox) while Destiny’s Edge remains as a “personal story focus group.”

Personally, I don’t see why people go about Braham and Rox being part of a “new” Destiny’s Edge, rather than eventually joining the current Destiny’s Edge. It’s not like there’s a rule saying “there can be only five!” or the like (after all, it started out with 6! Two asura!).

This pretty much matches my own thoughts. They could end up effectively joining Destiny’s Edge – that’s pretty close to what Rox is trying to do anyway – or be the start of a parallel group that attends to Living Story stuff.

If it’s the latter, it’d be interesting to see what professions get matched to the other three races when their respective crises come up.

I posted a topic like this
They might just start their own team since they’ve began working together already. It’s unlikely Braham would work with his mother, or vice versa, and I don’t think Rytlock is keen on the idea of him helping or babysitting Rox on her missions, so it’s not likely they’ll join the current DE.
One theory that is unlikely, but I’d like to point out in case people have already dismissed this, is that Trahaerne could be the Sylvari of the new generation. Sylvari are already fairly young, he’s experienced, Firstborn, and has a unique weapon and skill set despite his profession. While there’s some Trahaerne hate about, I think it might be amusing to see how Rox and Braham might react to his blandness. However, I doubt in this possibility, but wanted to put it out there anyway.

My predictions/logic for the next members are thus:
-Sylvari: [Probably]Won’t be a thief or necromancer due to Caithe and Trahaerne. I don’t think Engineer since Rox is already a range-type and it’ll be hard to create a cool pistol or rifle that can represent the race well. Ranger and Guardian are out. This leaves Elementalist, Mesmer, and Warrior.
-Human: Probably not warrior due to it being too generic with humans, but this is assuming ANet is going for non-generic, which they have shown thus far with Braham and Rox. Again, Guardian and Ranger are out. While I won’t completely out it, Trahaerne’s already a pretty important character, so it probably won’t be Necromancer. Now then, there’s Mesmer, Elementalist, Thief, and Engineer. I don’t expect Elementalist, since you can’t really go firing fireballs, earthquakes, and floods around in a human city so easily, so they probably wouldn’t have trained in that. I predict if it’s a Mesmer, it’ll be a certain countess’s son/daughter. If thief or engineer, a commoner of exceptional skill.
-Asura: Maybe Elementalist, despite Zojja being one. He/She could be Zojja’s apprentice, perhaps, though if not I don’t believe it’ll be an elementalist. Engineer is less likely due to it not fitting well with the race’s high-tech image, though he/she could be a strange Asura interested in industrial age technology, though I set this aside for now. Necromancer out again because of Trahaerne. Guardian and Ranger out from Braham and Rox. It might be interesting to see why an Asura Thief would be about, though it’s not unknown. We’ve seen one in the Pact missions, though this might make it more unlikely. And so, my opinion falls that the Asura will more likely be a warrior or mesmer, though this is a lot less certain than the others since Asura can be very adaptive in their reason why they might do anything.

draxynnic.3719:

This pretty much matches my own thoughts. They could end up effectively joining Destiny’s Edge – that’s pretty close to what Rox is trying to do anyway – or be the start of a parallel group that attends to Living Story stuff.

If it’s the latter, it’d be interesting to see what professions get matched to the other three races when their respective crises come up.

Honestly I find Rox’s desire to join Rytlock’s warband to be very interesting. Mostly in that she seems to hold it in very high regard yet as players we know next to nothing about the warband outside of Rytlock himself. And that, at least at one point, there was enough strife of some sort within the warband to cause Rytlock to request a position as far away from them as he could manage.

You know, now that I think about it, as much as Braham and Rox are the heroes in their own right it seems their story is at least partly meant to give us more history on the members of Destiny’s Edge. I mean we really knew next to nothing of Eir and Rytlock’s lives before we meet them in Destiny’s Edge (novel).

That’s fairly true, Riot. Come to think of it, we learn next to nothing on DE’s personal lives outside of Destiny’s Edge’s internal history from the game itself. I mean, we learn Eir’s father’s name… but without the book we don’t know that he died at the hands of the Dragonspawn, I believe. We wouldn’t know about Dylan Thackeray or the sword he gave Logan or the resentment Logan held for his older brother without the book, nor would we know about any internal strife within the Stone Warband between Rytlock and the others without the book.

Though Caithe and Zojja we did get some personal history on in the game, the other three we didn’t.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Personally, I don’t see why people go about Braham and Rox being part of a “new” Destiny’s Edge, rather than eventually joining the current Destiny’s Edge. It’s not like there’s a rule saying “there can be only five!” or the like (after all, it started out with 6! Two asura!).

draxynnic.3719:

This pretty much matches my own thoughts. They could end up effectively joining Destiny’s Edge – that’s pretty close to what Rox is trying to do anyway – or be the start of a parallel group that attends to Living Story stuff.

If it’s the latter, it’d be interesting to see what professions get matched to the other three races when their respective crises come up.

Wanted to add to that, that technically Zojja would go on the same group of Rox Whetstone and Braham Eirsson setting the precedent of master and pupil coexisting on DE. It’s just that she was already there, but she’s very young in comparison to the others and was following Snaff’s footsteps, the same way Braham is blood of Eir (though not exactly following her as there is some tension) and Rox worked really hard for her admission into the Stone Warband. I think if they end up getting new representatives from all races, Zojja could very well do that part for the Asuras (maybe they still add another Asura as Snaff is missing). At the very least she’s the link between the new and the old generation.

Zojja’s got to the point of having her own krewe and apprentices, so an apprentice is quite likely. Essentially, Zojja is now taking the place of Snaff, while her top student slots into where she used to be.

In terms of race/profession mixes:
So far, each of the Living Story members has been of opposite gender to their Destiny’s Edge counterpart. Now, two data points do not set a trend, but if it does become one, that’s suggesting female human, male zojja and sylvari.

One thing I’d like to say here – although so far the two data points are otherwise – is that it’d be nice to see the three professions that aren’t in DE to be in the LS group. We’ve already had a couple of story-important sylvari necromancers (Killeen, Trahearne) so let’s make the necro a human or asura. Engineer strikes me as also likely to be one of those, leaving mesmer for sylvari.

Under those assumptions, I’d probably expect it to be a necromancer asura and an engineer human – lets us see the more technological side of humans from a non-Separatist, and necromancy strikes me as being much more accepted among asura than humans.

If they’re not looking to fill out the gaps left in the professions by Destiny’s Edge, though, I could see it being human mesmer, sylvari elementalist, and asura engineer – each one fits their race without being too “generic” as Dondagora puts it.

draxynnic.3719:

Now, two data points do not set a trend, but if it does become one, that’s suggesting female human, male zojja and sylvari.

I know this is probably not what you wanted to type, but I couldn’t resist to laugh at the idea of Zojja being considered her own race

We can’t leave out the possibility that a member of another race might join Destiny’s Edge. A Tengu being an easy example. From what we see in Kessex Hills; there is a chance of them getting a destroyer problem in the future. Unless of course, they already have one, since we have no idea what is going on in the Dominion of Wind atm.

Erukk made me remember something. In the personal storyline, the five individuals whom we interact with in the different racial sympathy stories seem to get together well and can be seen together there. With the idea of a “guild that has representatives of races” I really could see Gara and the other minor race characters from the personal storyline joining into a single guild/joining Destiny’s Edge (they did help in taking down an Elder Dragon). However, I doubt such would happen… though it’s an interesting possibility.

Lokheit.7943:

Rox Whetstone

Where does this surname come from? As far as I know, she’s not part of the Stone Warband yet. And her original surname from her previous warband was Pickheart.

Yes I’ve though many times about that possibility. When new races are made playable it’s very possible that a famous representative from that race would join DEs. Forexample Sayeh al’Rajihd joining them when/if Largos become playable (though she seems more related to Trahearne and the Pact than DE, another one could be added for this purposse then).

At the end DE might become a big family like our heros family from GW1. At least the last 2 candidates are useful in combat (actively resurrect you and both keep creating support fields) so I hope the trend continues from there.

Well now NPCs actively revive others (NPCs and PCs). It was more rare in the past – where only Trahearne and the mentors (both order mentors and DE mentors) did so in personal story, but now it’s (almost?) all NPCs not just Braham and Rox.

Braham and Rox are said not to have unique AI, so the trend is not only going to continue, but is retroactive.

Kiel can’t do it alone, so she’ll be need assistance from players as well as another familiar face: Researcher Levvi, the expert on Southsun Cove’s decidedly dangerous flora and fauna. If you’re lucky you’ll meet a few old friends (and a few new ones) that will become more important as 2013 progresses.

Source: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/living-world-pivot-point

It seems that we’ll get a human and asura NPC for the next living story and a hint that we’ll meet old friends (Rox and Braham maybe?). This would also add up to this “Destiny’s Edge 2.0”-theory. I really like the idea of a new NPC-guild, but I think it would be better if they joined DE. It would make sense that there will be new dungeons where, for example, Braham and Eir have to fight alongside each other and finally get along a little better (Citadel of Flame all over again). Right now he might not want to be associated with his mother, but I’m sure this will change sooner or later. Also, if there’s going to be a sylvari it’s probably Trahaerne. /trollface

The old friends likely refers to the Consortium fellas involved in The Lost Shores (Noll, Canach, that CITIZENS! guy whatever his name was, etc.).

And tbh, given the norn culture, there’s absolutely no reason why Braham and Eir have to make up with each other or be associated with the other. Norn are very individualistic so they can easily remain distanced.

It would make sense Rox, Braham and all the next characters will turn into a group of adventurerers with common goals, 1 of each race, like DE, but DE is PersonalStory and the other group will be Living Story, as Living Story and PS are gonig to be seperated. A-net always said LS could be played where ever in the PS you are.

It gives the abillity to bond with the characters