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Posted by: Goldfox.5729

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Warning! | This post will contain information about Episode 5.

In Episode 5 we discover that Taimi has found a new theory about what will happen if Elder Dragons are defeated, or what will happen if two are put up against eachother.
Visualized in a simmulation we can see that Tyria venturing out of balance and eventually ending with the destruction of the planet.

This made me remember a book in the Durmand Priory which I had read during Living World Season 2 about the Apostate. (The Apostate is a Margonite who has veered away from Abaddon’s path and who is now an outcast among his people.)

It says the following…

If you’re not mistaken, this ancient tome was written by someone known as the Apostate. It appears to describe something similar to what you saw in your vision of the Eternal Alchemy.
The author calls it the Antikytheria, describing it as a cosmic mechanism made of many parts, all spinning around a central body known in ancient Krytan as Thyria.
Six large bodies orbit the world, existing in primal symbiosis. The energies move with the push and pull of positive and negative, ever in motion.
The Apostate says one thing that is especially troubling… “Should the energies become imbalanced, the world will tilt and all beings will fall off it into the void.” It’s probably a metaphor.

This prediction from the Apostate comes in line with Taimi’s theory. Could we then conclude that Abaddon was also aware about this eventual outcome? Considering that whatever the Apostate knew probably also was known to his God.
And if yes; then could it back up some of the earlier theories about Abaddon and why he gifted magic to humans? Could it perhaps explain his motivations to release it, and reasons to become angered when the other Five Gods took it away?

Another thing I would like to add to this post, but which isn’t much related to the above, is that I have a certain feeling that the Six Gods arrived on Tyria much like a blank paper. They were magically adept beings who were drawn by the magic on Tyria which seeped out from the Elder Dragons, but upon arrival they had a different and not as prominent identity as we believe them to have now.
It was only when they began to consume the magic from the Elder Dragons that their forms began to shape to the vision of the source, combined with traits still lingering from their original state, which makes us unable to make a 100% connection between Elder Dragons and the Gods.

‘’Many have eyes, but few have seen.’’ – Scriptures of Lyssa, 45 BE

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Posted by: Amaimon.7823

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Interesting.
However, Taimi’s theory was that she wouldn’t pit the actual dragons, but their magics against another, cancelling them out.
MY THEORY:
I think it’s slightly different from one dragon killing another physically and eating their magic. In the first scenario, you lose two orbs, in the second scenario, one orb is absorbed by the other.
Of course both cases would result in an imbalance, but Taimi’s model was much more crude, swinging everything out of balance. I theorize that one dragon absorbing another has much less of a negative impact than cancelling them out. Best case scenario, two “good” dragons would absorb all the orbs on either side and swing around as opposite pendulae. These could be Aurene and Gleam.

But it’s nice that you found this. These kind of background lores can get lost in the giant wikibase. I hope anet considers details like these in their future productions

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Posted by: Ngeluz.4860

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Just the thought of Abaddon would actually for see all this is frightening enough… That God was very creepy reminded me of Lovecraft Elder Gods…he and Dhuum or even Menzies. That Unholy Trinity really be a stuff nightmares.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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And if yes; then could it back up some of the earlier theories about Abaddon and why he gifted magic to humans? Could it perhaps explain his motivations to release it, and reasons to become angered when the other Five Gods took it away?

I fail to see how releasing magic would assist in the situation of then sleeping dragons (who would have remained asleep much longer without that magic).

Furthermore, we have been told that Abaddon’s rebellion isn’t caused by any one thing. Even the revoking of magic wasn’t the final tipping point for Abaddon (the final tipping point was the slaughter of then-human Margonites, devout followers of Abaddon who had desecrated statues of the other gods in the Temple of the Six and in turn were being slaughtered by the Forgotten; and even that wasn’t an instantaneous “oh now I’m mad” but a moment of contemplation as it was happening)

Another thing I would like to add to this post, but which isn’t much related to the above, is that I have a certain feeling that the Six Gods arrived on Tyria much like a blank paper. They were magically adept beings who were drawn by the magic on Tyria which seeped out from the Elder Dragons, but upon arrival they had a different and not as prominent identity as we believe them to have now.
It was only when they began to consume the magic from the Elder Dragons that their forms began to shape to the vision of the source, combined with traits still lingering from their original state, which makes us unable to make a 100% connection between Elder Dragons and the Gods.

Except that it’s outright stated they arrived as gods, with the names and personalities they have always been shown to have, and even Abaddon had a predecessor god while being from beyond the Mists?

There is, furthermore, no relation between the gods and dragons. While fallen Balthazar has shown capability of absorbing magic, and we know the gods knew of the dragons, and the gods drew power from Zhaitan to empower the Bloodstone when they divided it, there is no further relation beyond these indirect ties.

And if this is another attempt to tie them 1:1 together, well that’s a dead horse that’s been thoroughly beaten – works for the first half relatively well, but the second half is impossible to properly line up.

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: Amaimon.7823

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We know why Abaddon released the magic, it was to answer the prayers of the Margonites. I think the rest of the world getting their magic back was more of a side-effect than an aimed effect

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

You got your order wrong. The TL;DR order of events is:

  • Over centuries, the gods released magic (insert word because silly censor is silly) little by little
  • Abaddon, with agreement of all other gods, released a ton of magic, including unique magic to different groups
  • Wars of greed ensured
  • Doric pleaded with the gods in Arah
  • Other gods revoked magic, drew magic from Zhaitan to empower the Bloodstone, and split it
  • Margonites rioted in Temple of the Six
  • Forgotten overplayed the police act and began genocide
  • Jadoth prayed to Abaddon for salvation
  • Abaddon, after hesitation, saved remaining Margonites by wiping out Forgotten Armada
  • Abaddon then began to turn human Margonites into demonic Margonites and planned assault on Gates of Heaven to turn Tyria into his personal kingdom of one god
  • Other Five Gods saw this and went “no way jose” and fought Abaddon; though Abaddon could / did defeat two gods on his own, all five overpowered him, he lost his (most of?) his body and what remained was shackled in the heart of the Realm of Torment, beneath a perpetual waterfall of pain and anguish, and locked behind seven gates.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

(edited by Konig Des Todes.2086)

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Posted by: Hunter.6950

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So with Menzies’ reputation, you don’t think he took on the title “God of Peace” when he overtook his half-brother? lol

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Posted by: Amaimon.7823

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  • Other Five Gods saw this and went “no way jose” and fought Abaddon; though Abaddon could / did defeat two gods on his own, all five overpowered him, he lost his (most of?) his body and what remained was shackled in the heart of the Realm of Torment, beneath a perpetual waterfall of pain and anguish, and locked behind seven gates.

Perhaps a nice detail to add, he was quite literally struck from the sky above a sapphire ocean, and when he struck the land, it turned dead and dry, it became the crystal desert, and the exact spot, the sulphurous wastes. Since it’s where he fell, it was also the weakest spot of his prison, so miss Ossa tried to break the barrier there.