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So what if abbadon was actually trying to save tyria from the elder dragons. He gave magic to the humans so they would have a way to fight the elder dragons. He infused the marganites with massive power the have a army to fight the dragons. He also had a hand in defeating the mursaat (who betrayed the other races against the last dragon rising). The release of the titans could have been an effort to build a powerful army. The actions of factions could have been for the same reason. NF could have been a final attempt for him to help save the world by releasing himself to fight the dragons with his armies. I know that some of the things that happened probably helped the dragons ,like the sinking of Orr , but maybe that was more the fault of other people. Maybe abbadon couldn’t directly interact and just had to guide people in the general direction with no control over what they ultimately did with the power he lead them to.

That idea has been around since The Movement of the World’s been around (aka since we knew of the Elder Dragons).

But why would giving the races (not just humans) and the world itself the Elder Dragons meal be a means to fight them?

Elder Dragons literally consume magic. Fighting them with magic is practically suicide – this is why the Seers made the Bloodstone in the first place, to starve the ED.

By the time of Nightfall, Abaddon had clearly gone insane – whatever noble or not-so-noble agenda he had in year 0 when he unleashed the Bloodstone’s magic was likely long gone and his focus was on freeing himself and revenge against the other gods. A thousand years suffering under the multiverse’s greatest source of torment will do that.

I’m with Konig. The Bloodstone was designed as a weapon to starve the Elder Dragons to sleep. Abaddon wanted to use the Bloodstone to return magic to the world, which would effectively undo what the Seers attempted to do and, as we know now, eventually wake the dragons back up.

He also purposely targeted Orr and took it out, which was a HUGE benefit to Zhaitan who woke up with no resistance and was able to move right in.

If anything Abaddon seems to have paved the way for the Elder Dragon’s awakening.

While I do think some of that is plausible, I don’t that it was really his intention. If the titan army hadn’t gone out to kill the various leaders or the cataclysm hadn’t happened I would say that your theory was perfectly viable. Although you could say that the cataclysm was necessary to destroy the mursaat, there still isn’t really an explanation for killing the leaders. Unless you wanted to try arguing that by doing so they would band together and become one strong nation to face the upcoming threat.
With Factions there isn’t really a good explanation for killing the emperor either, because that caused the Kurzicks and the Luxons to war, thus weakening the nation there.

To play devil’s advocate (pretty close to literally…), one of the flaws in the argument that Abaddon couldn’t have been looking to strengthen Tyria against the dragons when he unlocked the Bloodstones because he then started smashing those defenses in the leadup to GW1 is because by the time Abaddon started influencing Tyria again after his imprisonment, he was literally insane. His actions after imprisonment can’t really be taken as an indication of his motives before the War of the Gods.

That said, if Abaddon’s plans were to provide magic to fight the dragons… well, we come back to the problem that magic FEEDS the dragons. Now, what sustains you can also kill you, but the big difference between the current awakening and the last one is not magic (the evidence suggests that the elder races had access to more magic, or at least more magical knowledge, then Tyria has now, although to be fair, Orr before the Cataclysm seems to have rivaled the modern asura) but technology. As far as we know, Tyria has never had what we in the real world would call normal technology before, and that’s what’s making the difference. A tank, even one enhanced by magic, has a much higher threat/nutrition ratio against an Elder Dragon than a Jade Bow.

So if Abaddon, with all his knowledge, wanted to promote fighting effectively against the dragons, he would have been better off to promote technology… and it’s a common trope that magic inhibits the development of technology because, hey, why go for the hard option when magic is available? Even the charr only had their industrial revolution when they deliberately chose to go against magic and looked for a substitute, while the dwarves seemed to have stuck at the point of having explosive powder for quite a while without moving on to modern weaponry.

What’s possible is that Abaddon recognised that magic levels were dangerously low and needed to be increased to prevent the death of Tyria, even if that risked waking the dragons. The problem is, though, that all of the gods seemed to have agreed on returning magic to the world… the issue was that Abaddon sent out too much. (Even then, the war wasn’t about punishing Abaddon for giving out too much, it was that Abaddon responded to the other gods placing limits on magic by throwing a massive tantrum.) So it’s entirely likely that the other gods were aiming for an equilibrium that would keep Tyria running without risking waking the dragons, and Abaddon blew it.

draxynnic.3719:

To play devil’s advocate (pretty close to literally…), one of the flaws in the argument that Abaddon couldn’t have been looking to strengthen Tyria against the dragons when he unlocked the Bloodstones because he then started smashing those defenses in the leadup to GW1 is because by the time Abaddon started influencing Tyria again after his imprisonment, he was literally insane. His actions after imprisonment can’t really be taken as an indication of his motives before the War of the Gods.

Nor would I.

I took his actions before imprisonment – the unleashing of magic itself – which is the very act of removing the defenses.

I don’t really see the acts of the Jade Wind, Searing, or Cataclysm – or even Nightfall – as directed against or for the Elder Dragons. GW1 makes it pretty clear to me that the Searing was just a means to make way to cause the Cataclysm, which seems first and foremost an act of revenge no different than defiling the Plaza of the Five Gods in Gandara and the temple of Lyssa in Vabbi that Varesh did for the rituals. The Jade Wind I don’t think Abaddon had any intention of doing – or Shiro for that matter – as it was caused upon Shiro’s death.

The Affliction is stated to have been causing an imbalance of souls in the world causing more problems than what was obvious. It seems like it was an attempt to cause Nightfall in Cantha rather than in Elona. And similarly for opening the Door of Komalie given that The Fury was waiting patiently for it to open for some time (per NPC dialogue in the Foundry of Failed Creations).

Every action he did that led up to and was part of GW1 after his imprisonment had a clear sign of three things:

1) Revenge against the Five Gods
2) Freedom from the Realm of Torment
3) Conquest of Tyria

But his actions before his fall? That’s where the focus should be.

draxynnic.3719:

What’s possible is that Abaddon recognised that magic levels were dangerously low and needed to be increased to prevent the death of Tyria, even if that risked waking the dragons.

That’s a good interpretation that labels him as a good guy. But it’s not exactly clear that he is – some of the Asian-released lore for Nightfall indicates that he had turned hostile even before the gift of magic for unspecified reasons and wanted to rule Tyria alone.

You know what is sad about discussions on Abaddon’s actions and motives? That it is so much more interesting than what I’m expecting to see in HoT.

I’d like to think there is at least one complicated something in the lore of this game. It’s unlikely, but it could happen. One possibility that has bumped around in my mind for some time has been that Abbadon is really the only conscious version of the dragons. Just as the Elder Dragons have Lieutenants the Elder Dragons themselves are basically zombies with no real consciousness of their own besides their biological imperatives to consume magic. They’re like some sort of Alligator. They don’t really ever die, they just sit at the bottom of wells for a while, come up, consume, and then slumber indefinitely. While they slumber they degrade in power till they transform into the Gods. When they change back into their hunger cycle they increasingly seem more grotesque and bestial. Abbadon is maybe the only one that’s got more going for it than the rest because the magic it consumes is probably intellect: could certainly explain why Tyria has become what it is from what it was in GW 1.

the way i see abbadons character is close to the greek mythos of the titan prometheus who gifted the human, FIRE and incur the wrath of the gods. is prometheus a bad guy for doing that? but like konig said at nightfall abbadon becomes obsessed of escaping and revenge. but wouldnt anyone? getting overthrown as a god for gifting magic to other races? ill be hella mad also lol

Eirdyne.9843:

One possibility that has bumped around in my mind for some time has been that Abbadon is really the only conscious version of the dragons. Just as the Elder Dragons have Lieutenants the Elder Dragons themselves are basically zombies with no real consciousness of their own besides their biological imperatives to consume magic.

Edge of Destiny debunks this as Kralkatorrik is very much his own consciousness.

Also, the gods are unrelated to the dragons as the dragons have been on Tyria for over 11,000 years (with hints that they could be 30,000+ years old) while the gods seem to have only appeared on Tyria about 3,000 years ago.

Eirdyne.9843:

While they slumber they degrade in power till they transform into the Gods.

The gods and the dragons are 100% confirmed to be different entities from each other, and rivaling.

Aside from the fact that the god-to-dragon connection theory doesn’t line up past the initial 2-3 dragons, and becomes highly convoluted afterwards, it has even become so common as to get a reference in-game which denotes the very same conclusion: in the end, there is no feasible way to argue a connection between the two.

And this ignores the fact that we know at least half of the gods did not come from Tyria (Dwayna, Melandru, and Balthazar being said non-natives – two of which are the 2-3 dragon-to-god easy connections, Melandru to Mordremoth and Balthazar to Primordus). But Grenth is stated to be the first Tyrian-born god, indicating that Abaddon, Dhuum, and Lyssa also all came from another world (though it should be noted that while the origins of any god beyond Grenth and Kormir is unknown to players, Lyssa’s origins is explicitly stated to be unknown to Tyrians).

Its true cuz of prision torments he become insane and its hard to say if his actions were to achive something positive, rather to punish them, to say that “I was” – removing his name and everything from civilizations hurt much.

But about that if fighting ED with sealing all magic was so good idea? only one option? k, beings still live in tyria, so somehow it worked, but could also not work, ED could counter it while all beings were defenseless – eh high risk and coward method.

He prefered to fight with magic as magic was part of them, he refuse to resing his jest which he link with magic. He linked jest of others with magic. He wanted to act / fight back with being honest, to not look as self to rest of the life as coward. Even dead, but proud to the end that never resigned from self – it would see his thoughs like that.

About that fighting with magic is like charging ED, is like being only fuel, lunch of magic for them eh… to dramatical, becouse before bloodstones they were fighting. There were more awakenings so who know if in past other civilizations didn’t fight with magic and fact that we don’t see other more more ancien civilizations don’t mean they lost neihter that they won. Fight with magic = simple suicide is too simple resoning, cuz there can be much more behind it, but also I’m not going to disclaim it entirely, just to give there some space for others ways how things could end and look like.

I’m not convicted that fighting the dragons with magic is suicide. Maybe there is some bit of lore I’m missing here but let’s go with what we actually see. The dragons consume magic for sure but it seams that they consume looses magic or magic that isn’t tied to something else. We can assume that the dragon themselfs use magic in some degree yet they don’t consume each other or their minions. We fought zhiatan with air ships powered by assuran tech which is largely magic based and he didn’t consume it. We fought the mouth of zhiatan (which consumes magic items ) with magic and we’re able to defeat it. The dragons were unable to consume the bloodstone. Zhiatan was unable to do anything against the orb that stops his corruption. Maybe the dragon can ONLY consume free magics. Then it comes down to how well can they consume it. If they can consume all free magic in the area quickly then y didn’t zhiatan do that and stop us from attacking Orr with large amounts of magic users?

The thing about the “asura tech airship” is that it was poisoned magic based off of Gorr and the Inquest’s research. In the same method that dragons consume, corrupt, then exude magic to create minions that technology was doing the same – taking in magic, poisoning it, then giving it back. So Zhaitan probably did consume it – or some of it – which then weakened him.

We don’t necessarily defeat the mouth of Zhaitan with magic – the method changes by profession. And as you said, it eats magic items, not magical spells.

Maybe the dragon can ONLY consume free magics.

This is probably true, and that’s exactly why fighting the Elder Dragons with magic is suicidal.

You have a chance… at first. Come a century later? There’s less free magic to use spells. Another century? Even less. Soon enough, within a few generations, there’s not enough magic to power the most basic skills except for the most talented magic users.

The Elder Dragons play a game of attrition, and if you use magic primarily, you will lose unless you can beat them immediately.

But Zhaitan was only beaten because of the combination of 1) old knowledge not being destroyed, 2) magic and technology combined, 3) research on how the dragons consume magic.

Without any one of those, the Pact would not have won.

Well, we see that Zhaitan consumes magical artifacts through the Mouth. However, he doesn’t seem to blindly eat every artifact he comes across – instead, he (or his minions) have enough foresight to use those magical artifacts they come across for their benefit rather than feeding every artifact they come across to Zhaitan. The bloodstone shards seem to be within that list, as several are empowering champions of Zhaitan while the biggest appears to have been corrupted in some fashion. Thankfully, the five main pieces were outside of Zhaitan’s reach (although one is uncomfortably close to Mordremoth…)

Forgotten artifacts seem to be the only ones that were neither useful to Zhaitan, nor could be conveniently consumed.

Now, what the Elder Dragons can’t do is simply eat any magic in their vicinity. They can’t eat the magic from a spell you cast at them, for instance – a magical fireball will hurt them as much as a nonmagical fireball. However, there are two problems with fighting dragons with magic in the long term:

The first is as Konig describes: as time passes, more and more of the magic is likely to be concentrated in the dragons and thus unavailable to those fighting them.

The second is that while a dragon can’t simply reach out and suck the magic out of, say, an airship, after the dragon wins a battle, any magical weapons or other devices left behind by the losers become just that much fodder for the dragon… unless the dragon decides it can make more use of the magic by subverting it to its own will rather than just eating it. This means that, if you rely entirely on magic, every time you lose a battle, all of the strength that you lost in that battle goes to the dragon (if the dragon also has the ability to claim the bodies of your dead, which Mordremoth and Zhaitan at least do). With nonmagical technology, though, you have a force multiplier that is much less useful to the dragon. The dragon and its minions might be able to learn to scavenge the technology and use it themselves, but doing so is no more efficient than any other salvage-and-recycle operation, rather than the best case scenario being that the dragon simply eats it and consumes all the magic that way.

draxynnic.3719:

Thankfully, the five main pieces were outside of Zhaitan’s reach (although one is uncomfortably close to Mordremoth…)

Interestingly, or annoyingly depending on your viewpoint, this isn’t true.

Lore says that Zhaitan’s dead ship fleets extended to the Ring of Fire, where naturally we know one of the Bloodstones exist.

Yet it wasn’t pertinent to the story.

Curiously enough, the same is hinted to be the case of HoT. We have Bloodstone Fen so close to Verdant Brink – directly to the north of it… but what’s to the north of Verdant Brink? The raid, which takes place after HoT.

Though since the raid is located along the edge of Silverwastes, maybe there’ll be a map with a gap between it and Silverwastes, placing the Bloodstone in a map, and thus within HoT’s plot. Though with only four maps in total for HoT, one being Verdant Brink… it’s rather doubtful to me.

Well, the Ring of Fire bloodstone is beneath a volcano, making it hard for Zhaitan to get to it. Arguably, the Shiverpeaks bloodstone was also within Zhaitan’s reach.

It’s possible, given the original purpose of the original creation of the Seers was to hide the magic from the dragons, the bloodstones still have something about them that make them harder for the dragons to sense than most magic items. It’s possible that they’ve even been tuned in some fashion to be unappetising to them – it’s interesting that the bloodstone shards in Orr were still used by champions and the like rather than Zhaitan simply chowing down on them.

Well dialogue in the maps indicate that Zhaitan’s presence ‘deeper’ in the Shiverpeaks (Timberline and eastern Mount Maelstrom) is relatively recent.

Though on my comment of Mordy and the raid and Bloodstone Fen – spoilers – that_shaman pulled the map of the raid in today’s patch and apparently placed north of Silverwastes, giving room for a map between it and Verdant Brink. So HoT could have a Bloodstone Fen map.

Interestingly though, it seems to border that huge lake in the north, which in GW1 had always looked like a face (face-likeness reduced on GW2’s world map).

Link to world map with raid map in it.

is that whole new thing the raid map?! So we would actually be getting 5 maps cause that’s huge!

Do we know that the bloodstone we killed the Lich on is still there? ‘Cause apparently the first time Abaddon’s Mouth erupted, it was able to toss those stones as far as the northern Maguuma- and just because that particular one apparently went straight up and fell back in during the first eruption doesn’t mean it would’ve happened during the second eruption, at the end of Prophecies.

Or, if it wasn’t in a position to be dislodged by the second eruption, it might’ve been sealed over by the cooling lava. Unless Zhaitan somehow knew it had been moved there, or was able to sense it (like drax, I’m skeptical), his risen could tromp all over the site without the stone ever mattering beyond potentially leaking magic they didn’t know the source of.

Zhaitan rise orr, couldn’t he rise door of komalie? we don’t need whole ring of fire.

The point about posioning magic that can prevent from stealing or a least weaken ED while consuming it is interesting. Cuz corrupting/profaning things therefore magic should be known.

Fight scenario: ED consumes magic, races posioning magic. No more clean magic? ED: “I’m going to eat that distasteful magic or rather sleep?” during sleep they leak magic to world. Corrupt that leaked magic and so? they never awake or find their way to consume corrupted magic or gather influence in other ways: like jormag who “prefers” take them by will, gather followers (*even if he could it do by "force and ofc can).

The Door of Komalie wasn’t sunken like Orr. It was buried beneath lava. Or rather, it supposedly was.

The problem with poisoning magic, though, is that the world also needs magic. According to Ogden: “Too much magic, and the world spins out of control. Too little, and it crumbles into darkness.”

So by poisoning all magic, you poison the entire world – not just the Elder Dragons, but magic users across the globe and the planet itself.

I came up with: sphere of our influence, poisoned / corrupted magic will change world, can even destroy if its end like some asura experiments.

On the other hand in situations when we corrupted enough magic for ourself making it like sphere of our influence. We have ED who consume / leak part of magic that we should not consume. Everything now depends on their behavior: will they weak only to consume that part and sleep to leak or greedy come for our spehere ( I would like clashing of our sphere and their to be also explosive like in case ED vs ED) or advance their minds.

I would also add actions of faction/s whose want to destroy world. Like eternal syndicat who destroyed many worlds including that one from came gods. Maybe they will really make that plot interesting/ happen.

" The Door of Komalie wasn’t sunken like Orr. It was buried beneath lava. Or rather, it supposedly was. "
I have thoughs about if it was buried beneath lava. Someone who wants it will need something that will deal with lava/rocks. So in future if thats going to happen we will see that somebody gather much power or especialy “fire” related things even to primodous to uncover it. Reconstructing that bowl that charrs shamans used to sear kingdoms etc and many more.

Ehecatl.9172:

I’m with Konig. The Bloodstone was designed as a weapon to starve the Elder Dragons to sleep. Abaddon wanted to use the Bloodstone to return magic to the world, which would effectively undo what the Seers attempted to do and, as we know now, eventually wake the dragons back up.

He also purposely targeted Orr and took it out, which was a HUGE benefit to Zhaitan who woke up with no resistance and was able to move right in.

If anything Abaddon seems to have paved the way for the Elder Dragon’s awakening.

?? I was under the assumption that the Elder Dragons were not known about when Night Fall occurred.

It should have went like this

Elder Dragons last reign (11000 years ago)
Exodus of Gods (1300 years ago)
Searing (250 years ago)
Factions (~250 years ago)
Night Fall (Abaddon tries to rise, and then Kormir ascends, ~250 years ago)
EoTN (Destroyer) (~250 years ago)
Primordus wakes (Sometimes later and this is when Elder Dragons became news) (~150 years ago)
Now

It seems that since the Gods came and left, they had no idea that the Dragons even existed. They built the city of Arah on top of Zhaitan because Zhaitan leaked out magic and they thought that place was fit for their city and what not.

If this is true, then that means Abaddon did not give the magic to Tyrians to fight the Dragons.

The bloodstones were created to seal most of the magics of the earth due to Tyrians using magic to wage war on each other. Then King Doris begged the gods to take away the magic. The bloodstone was eventually created with a little part of his blood and it was thrown into a volcano where no one can get it. Years later, the volcano erupted and the bloodstone shattered into 5 pieces and it spread out into the continent of Tyria and magic was once again shown.

New lore states the Bloodstone was created by the Seers to put the Elder Dragons to sleep long before the gods arrived on Tyria. The gods merely used the Bloodstone to release it’s magic back into the world, then split it into the bloodstones to limit magic again.

I also never said Abaddon knew about the dragons. Only that his actions made it much, much easier for the dragons to rise. Whether he intended it that way or not is unknown.

The gods knew that the Elder Dragons exist. The Scroll of the Five True Gods is one of the Priory’s main sources on the Elder Dragons. They just weren’t aware that one of them was sleeping beneath Orr.

Eddie Mo.7169:

It should have went like this

Elder Dragons last reign (11000 years ago)

While that’s more or less what the Priory claims, evidence points to the last dragon reign being circa 2000 BE rather than 10,000 BE.

Eddie Mo.7169:

It seems that since the Gods came and left, they had no idea that the Dragons even existed. They built the city of Arah on top of Zhaitan because Zhaitan leaked out magic and they thought that place was fit for their city and what not.

While it’s likely the gods didn’t know the exact location of the Elder Dragons, they did know of them. There is also indication that they did not build Arah – or at least, they did not build the beginnings of it – as parts of Arah existed before the Six Gods supposedly came to Tyria (see Altar of Glaust and Arah Forgotten path).

Eddie Mo.7169:

The bloodstones were created to seal most of the magics of the earth due to Tyrians using magic to wage war on each other. Then King Doris begged the gods to take away the magic.

Old GW1 lore that’s been retconned. The original Bloodstone was where the magic that Abaddon unleashed came from, and it was created by the Seers during the previous dragonrise to house all non-corrupted magic to force them to go to sleep early. See Arah Seer path.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Eddie Mo.7169:

It should have went like this

Elder Dragons last reign (11000 years ago)

While that’s more or less what the Priory claims, evidence points to the last dragon reign being circa 2000 BE rather than 10,000 BE.

Eddie Mo.7169:

It seems that since the Gods came and left, they had no idea that the Dragons even existed. They built the city of Arah on top of Zhaitan because Zhaitan leaked out magic and they thought that place was fit for their city and what not.

While it’s likely the gods didn’t know the exact location of the Elder Dragons, they did know of them. There is also indication that they did not build Arah – or at least, they did not build the beginnings of it – as parts of Arah existed before the Six Gods supposedly came to Tyria (see Altar of Glaust and Arah Forgotten path).

Eddie Mo.7169:

The bloodstones were created to seal most of the magics of the earth due to Tyrians using magic to wage war on each other. Then King Doris begged the gods to take away the magic.

Old GW1 lore that’s been retconned. The original Bloodstone was where the magic that Abaddon unleashed came from, and it was created by the Seers during the previous dragonrise to house all non-corrupted magic to force them to go to sleep early. See Arah Seer path.

Oh wow I’m super behind in lore then. Where can I read the new lore? Or do I find it in the game as I progress (I’m only lvl 44, but I really liked the lore so I searched it up. Also a long time GW1 player).

When you say retconned, does the story mention it or are we supposed to just accept the retcon? Like, does the story say “Oh we found a scroll to prove X wrong, so it must be Y”?

GW2 lore is currently underdocumented in a wide range of places. Just read all the dialogue you can is what I say.

As for the Bloodstone retcon, rather than it being “oh we found out x was wrong” it’s more of “y is the situation, let’s go.” The dungeon literally doesn’t mention the old human stories of the Bloodstone’s creation.

Wow… my least favorite type of retcon. If it was the former, I’d feel less cheated

From a human perspective in gw1 saying the gods made the bloodstone would make sense to them because they didn’t know it existed. The gods did use it to bind magic and seal it with king doric blood they just didn’t metion it was something that already existed. So idk if it so much a recton as a wider view of the while story

maybe all that stuff you think was abbadon helping to fight the elder dragons was him trying to set up defeating one of them so he could take their place…

Lol that could be it!

But now since the gods of Tyria knows about about the Elder dragons, one of my mroe comedic theories is that they might have dipped before the dragons woke up so they wouldn’t have to feel the dragons wrath! The time line makes sense!!

11000 ya – Elder dragons go on a rampage.

somewhere along the lines – Gods came.

somewhere further down – Gods find out about elder dragons.

yet again further down – Gods said “Oh **** guys, they wake up every 10000 years. When was the last time they woke?? 9700 years ago!?!? Gotta get packing. If we leave now we got 300 years to spare”

1300 ya – God’s leave.

The gods left in Year 0 – over a thousand years ago. Current implication places the timeline to be:

~10,000 BE: A previous dragonrise; Giganticus lupicus wiped out
~2,000 BE: The previous dragonrise; seers, mursaat, jotun, and dwarves are major races
1,769 BE: Forgotten arrive from the Mists, sent by the Six Gods.
<Sometime After> BE: Dragons go to sleep, gods arrive, gods bring humans and send them elsewhere (likely Sunrise Crest)
786 BE: Humans land on Cantha by boat
205 BE: Humans land on Tyria/Elona by boat
1 BE: Abaddon unleashes magic from the Bloodstone
Year 0/0AE: Gods leave Tyria
1075 AE: Gods begin to stop talking to Tyrians
1078 AE: Primordus tries to wake, GW1 heroes stop this.
1120 AE: Primordus wakes up.

Etc. etc.

The gods, while knowing of the dragons, did not seem to know their location (per Randall Greystone, they didn’t know they were pulling magic from Zhaitan when strengthening the Bloodstone). And while they may-or-may-not have known they’d wake up, they left the world a full thousand years before the dragons woke. And we’ve bene told repeatedly as to why they went silent – not because of dragons but because they saw what cataclysm they caused (turning an entire sea into a desert, for starters; or turning a lush landscape into a desolated wasteland fatally toxic to all living beings), and because Abaddon was the last thing that tied their attention to Tyria – they knew he’d return with a vengeance and waited until he was replaced to stop talking to Tyrians.

Dragons rose 2,000 BE?

There’s hints to such – hence my mention of “current implications”.

I mentioned in another thread recently. Basically a few bits of lore talks about things happening 3,000 years prior, rather than 11,000 years prior like the Priory claims. And everything about Glint is that she’s 3,000 years old – or at least was freed from Kralkatorrik 3,000 years ago.

Edit: Aforementioned recent mention:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Agroman.7190:

Source? Certainly this has been brought up before, but I haven’t read it yet.

Source on which – that the 10,000 date is Priory speculation, or that there’s evidence for the previous dragonrise to be 2,000 BE?

Either way, there’s a lot of sources in both. But the main three for the latter are:

• GW1’s timeline which states the Forgotten arrived on Tyria in 1769 BE – while not directly supported in GW2, The Forgotten Not Forgotten which was added in Season 2 does indicate all other origins-knowledge of the Forgotten still hold true (the race came from the Mists in service to the gods).
• Bad Blood – during which Sieran mentions the oldest dwarven structures are “over 2,000 years old” (e.g., circa 1,000 BE). An odd way to say they’re over 11,000 years old if the previous dragonrise, in which the dwarves lived, was 10,000 BE.
• Return to Camp Resolve – in which Eir states Glint had 3,000 years of memory; supplemented by Glint’s line in Edge of Destiny page 338 that she was placed as guardian of the world 3,000 years prior.

All claims that the previous dragonrise was in 10,000 BE is done by Priory scholars. But we know they’re not always correct. Most likely that was simply a dragonrise.

Also, it would be weird for the jotun to have knowledge of multiple dragonrises – implying surviving more than just the previous, which would place their species at being over 30,000 years old.