Guild Wars 2

Hypothetical: The last elder dragon has been slain. how would these questions be answered.

1 – What function would the vigil serve, if at all, after the last elder dragon has been slain? their primary focus has been defeating elder dragons so what happens when there are no more? do they disband? serve as a ‘keeper of the peace’ force? what are your ideas?

2 – on that same thought, what would become of the pact? would it simply be disbanded, given no further need for the three orders to cooperate? would they keep together as a similar idea for ‘peacekeeping’ as above?

3 – finally, what fate would befall Orr? would Kryta try to reclaim it on the grounds that it was a human kingdom? would the sylvari claim it due to trehearne’s act of cleansing it, and thusly restoring it? would it be the custody of the pact, and if so, what would they do with it?

just questions i’ve been thinking about.

The dragons are the Vigil’s focus, but they are not their goal- the point of the Vigil is to protect those who cannot protect themselves, and that’s the sort of thing that never stops being necessary. Should the dragons be defeated, the crusaders would just be moved to conflicts like the Centaur War or the dredge attacks in the Shiverpeaks, I think, places with victims in need of assistance.

The Pact, on the other hand, does exist to combat the dragons, no more and no less. Given that almost every nation has given them quite a bit of troops and probably material on that premise, they should disband after the last dragon falls- provided, of course, they survive to see the day.

Orr is… unclear. Fairly heated threads in the past have gone to prove that just about any of the orders or races technically could lay a claim to it, if they were so inclined. But my personal opinion, bearing in mind that it’s every bit as much guesswork as anyone else’s? I think it’ll be picked over by looters and scavengers, both those representing legitimate groups and those out for a quick payday, and then left alone to sit ruined.

It’s probably a lot less dangerous since the undead don’t have anyone to coordinate them effectively. Still more dangerous than anyone would like though. I think they still have a means to make more undead, even if they don’t necessarily know what to do with them. So, now it’s probably just a matter of time before the Pact forces just kind of mop up what’s left of the semi-mindless corpses still wandering about. Probably a fairly long time.

Sylvari don’t CLAIM anything… The humans might.
The Pact would likely desolve back into Whisper, Priory and Vigil.
Vigil would just move on to the next threat.

The Charr could claim it as a war trophy. They kind of blew it up once. The Humans could claim it as a cultural right. Their Gods were there, and they apparently originated from there. I guess. (I’m assuming the Canthan origin isn’t a thing anymore?) The Asura could claim it because they’re Asura and Asuras do what Asuras want. The Sylvari can claim it because they cleansed it, and eventually that tree, massive as it is, is going to get awfully small for their growing population. After Mordremoth stops stealing some of them.
I think the Norn are the only ones who really don’t have any claim to it, other than “Hey guys, we’re homeless now. Let us move in that empty space, please”. But taking charity just doesn’t seem very Norn.

Squee.7829:

The Charr could claim it as a war trophy. They kind of blew it up once.

The Charr never blew up Orr enough for them to have conquered it. The Vizier sunk it (and them) before they could come near Arah, meaning that it was a pyrrhic victory for the humans since they technically defeated the invading Charr.

Besides, I think the cultural claim of the humans is stronger than a claim from the Charr. Its basically the same right that the Charr invoked to retake Ascalon – the whole “we were here first”.

I don’t really see the Sylvari as the claiming sort. I think if the Sylvari were to expand, they’d want to go to the west, deeper into the jungle. The Pale Tree should also be able to reduce the amount of Sylvari spawned if overpopulation becomes a thing.

Shiren.9532:

in fact Orrians in general are few and far between – I’ve heard even if you are Orrian you keep it a secret.

I’m pretty sure that’s not true. I know there’s a human walking around Orr, claiming to descended from Orrians. I don’t recall her being secretive or ashamed of it, either. Could be misremembering this; it’s been a while since I really explored Orr.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

The dragons are the Vigil’s focus, but they are not their goal- the point of the Vigil is to protect those who cannot protect themselves, and that’s the sort of thing that never stops being necessary. Should the dragons be defeated, the crusaders would just be moved to conflicts like the Centaur War or the dredge attacks in the Shiverpeaks, I think, places with victims in need of assistance.

While you technically don’t say the Vigil would align with Humans (In the Centaur Wars) or against Dregde, that’s what I gather from this part.

And then I have to ask, why? Why against Centaurs, or against Dredge?

As far as I know, Centaurs are trying to reclaim lands they believe were theirs before Humans settled in Kryta and surrounding countryside. Not every Centaur is a fighting creature, there must be children and elders somewhere; why would we assume that Humans are the ones that cannot protect themselves?

Same goes for Dredge. They were enslaved in the past. They broke the leashes, and now they attack, expanding their territory. Is that such a bad thing? When you think about it, it’s the Norn who are invading, since they fled the North to escape Jormag, and took Dwarven ruins to settle. The same ruins that Dredge had claimed a while ago when they finally gained their freedom (Internal struggles aside).

Anyway, Vigil may very well become a mercenary force. I believe Soulkeeper meant for the Vigil to fight dragons, by military force. with the ED gone, they would have no purpose… unless during the journey, they find one.

I touch a little bit on the “Cleansed Orr” and “Centaur-Human Wars” on a video I made last week.

@Shiren I admit I haven’t seen it for myself, but it’s been reported to me that charr get a letter from Rytlock claiming the Pact went into CoF to retrieve a weapon-and if you look at the Pact presence in the region, it is close to the Jormag campaign. The staging ground for the CoF assault is practically a stone’s throw away from Earthshake Basin, so they could be doing the same thing they did with the Inquest at CoE and simply want to clear the neighborhood of hostile belligerents that are compromising their anti-dragon efforts. There’s also a clear motive in CoE considering that Kudu was essentially sitting on a giant pocket of dragon corruption. The Pact has never engaged the Nightmare Court- if you are referring to the ones in Maelstrom, they only attack the Wyld Hunt, and I don’t think the NC so much as shares a map with the Pact anywhere else.

@Rhaegar Surely not mercenaries- what makes the Vigil the Vigil is that they are committed to protecting the innocent, and at least a couple of the recruiters are open about that being a wider goal than just handling the dragons. You also assume correctly- my reasoning is A.) the Vigil contains many humans and norn, and no centaurs or dredge, and B.) we don’t see any centaur or dredge war orphans. It’s a bit too black-and-white, and maybe given the opportunity the human government would try to extinguish the centaurs, but for the time being helpless human civilians and probably helpless norn children are in the line of fire, while centaur or dredge innocents remain at best a hypothetical that exists beyond the war zone… and at worst simply non-existent.

I may be a bit hazy on the details, but I think the PACT was not involved in the Molten Alliance part. That would have been the Lionguard.