Avatar of Abaddon?

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Posted by: Xandrian.8304

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Q:

Just a quick lore question, since all 6 gods have avatars, I was wondering if we were ever told who, or what, Abaddon’s avatar was? I always thought it was a Margonite, but I can’t find anything on the wiki’s. Was just thinking it would be cool if we ever meet it, perhaps it might have survived Abaddon’s war with the other gods. ^^

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Posted by: Aaron Ansari.1604

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There was a quest that referred to the fortune teller as an avatar, and while it isn’t strictly meant in the same way as a statue avatar, it makes sense to think of her and Razakel as being Abaddon’s. An avatar’s role is primarily interacting with mortals and, besides exchanging blessings for offerings, getting them to do what their god needs them to. That describes those two exactly.

Edited to add: If I’m right, that would mean encountering one would require, first, there being another we didn’t slay in Nightfall, and also as Diovid suggested Kormir dropping the ball in letting it get away.

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Posted by: Diovid.9506

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I can’t recall whether avatars were actually different beings from the gods or if they were merely local manifestations of the gods. If the latter then Abaddon’s avatar would be no more of course (or perhaps it would better to say that it got replaced by Kormir’s avatar). If the former, I could imagine that Kormir (and the other gods) would see to it that Abbaddon’s avatar would be either destroyed or locked away.

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Posted by: Aaron Ansari.1604

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I can’t recall whether avatars were actually different beings from the gods or if they were merely local manifestations of the gods. If the latter then Abaddon’s avatar would be no more of course (or perhaps it would better to say that it got replaced by Kormir’s avatar). If the former, I could imagine that Kormir (and the other gods) would see to it that Abbaddon’s avatar would be either destroyed or locked away.

In GW2 we learned that, in Grenth’s case at least, it’s the former, the reapers being originally mortal comrades of his. I’m not certain it applies to all the gods (would raise the question of who Kormir got to volunteer for the job so quickly), but since it’s the only case we can answer for, for now that seems more likely than not.

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Posted by: wouw.5837

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I can’t recall whether avatars were actually different beings from the gods or if they were merely local manifestations of the gods. If the latter then Abaddon’s avatar would be no more of course (or perhaps it would better to say that it got replaced by Kormir’s avatar). If the former, I could imagine that Kormir (and the other gods) would see to it that Abbaddon’s avatar would be either destroyed or locked away.

This is an interesting pov, That somewhere Abaddon, or even the older God’s (Arachni?)
Avatars still survive.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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In GW2 we learned that, in Grenth’s case at least, it’s the former, the reapers being originally mortal comrades of his. I’m not certain it applies to all the gods (would raise the question of who Kormir got to volunteer for the job so quickly), but since it’s the only case we can answer for, for now that seems more likely than not.

In Kormir’s case, she seems to be her own avatar – at least in GW1. When we talk to said avatar in the Throne of Secrets she speaks as if being Kormir herself.

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Posted by: Kalavier.1097

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To be fair, only Grenth and Balthazar have beings in their service that double as avatars. (That we know of)

The reapers and whatever Balthazar’s guys were called (in Fissure of Woe). Melandru, Dwayna, and Lyssa have no beings listed as avatar and another title. So their avatar may just be a version of themselves that is powered down to interact with mortals.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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That’s incorrect, Kalavier. Each active god has an avatar:

  • Balthazar’s was the Champion of Balthazar
  • Dwayna’s was the Avatar of Dwayna
  • Grenth’s was the Voice of Grenth (the seven Reapers also act as avatars – whether the Voice of Grenth is a Reaper or not is unclear but highly likely given that it’s summoned in manner similar to how the Seventh Reaper was in GW2)
  • Lyssa’s was the Lyssa’s Muse
  • Melandru’s was the Melandru’s Watcher (which appears like nature rituals and druids – aka a spectral treant)
  • Kormir’s was the Seer of Truth (also called Avatar of Kormir – under such name, the avatar talks as if she is Kormir)

I think you might be thinking only Grenth and Balthazar had avatars because it was via their avatars – and only via their avatars until the scrolls – that we gained access to the elite missions The Underworld and The Fissure of Woe. Though Kormir’s avatar is used for initial access to the Domain of Anguish.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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Konig, you’ve misinterpreted what Kalavier said.

Kalavier was saying that it’s only Grenth and Balthazar that are known to have servitors that are separate entities that act as their go-betweens: which, ironically enough, technically makes them angels rather than avatars (an avatar, in the general usage of the term, is essentially purely an extension of the god’s will, either a separate creation or the result of the god possessing a mortal). The statement is that those are the only two that we know have representatives that are separate beings.

The Seer of Truth, as you say, seems to behave like a ‘true’ avatar under the definition above. I suspect the Avatar of Dwayna might be the same, although they may well be more classical angels, and Lyssa’s Muse seemed in Nightfall to talk as if it was Lyssa herself rather than a representative. I don’t think Melandru’s Watcher has ever talked – however, since it looks very different to any depiction of Melandru herself, I suspect the Watcher is a representative rather than an avatar.

The Voice and the Champion I’m pretty sure are a Reaper and an Eternal respectively.

From that perspective, demons such as the Hunger could be seen as having been Abaddon’s representative. Ironically, this could be taken to imply that Legendary Demon Stance is somewhat equivalent to a dervish going Avatar of Abaddon.

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