Canach and the Pale Tree.
Why should Canach be separated? I guess there are two misconceptions at work here.
First: Canach is not a villain. I’m pretty sure he considers himself a hero (although he’s more of an anti-hero). He did bad stuff while under orders and saw the error of his ways, but refused to be punished because he doesn’t respect the jurisdiction of the LA council. He is rogue from the Consortium. Atm he’s trying to help the settlers (so much that players wish to side with him) and he helped raiding the Molten Alliance (he has the gloves). As he’s being chased by assassins, he can’t be picky about his methods and many Sylvari fight, so it’s nothing against the Sylvari ways.
Second: The Sylvari are not a hivemind. The dream is more a subconcious connection that they have no control over. They are not in constant contact. Also the Pale Tree has thousands of children now, she can not converse with all of them the whole time. It has been stated that atm she mostly speaks only to the firstborn and they kind of govern the Sylvari. The player characters constantly bothering her might also add to distraction. =P Plus: imagine how distracting it must be to hear Trahearne whine 24/7 XD
Canach is helping refugees? By aggravating karka into attacking them? From the new achievements and anet’s post on Canach, it looks more like he has a lab somewhere on Southsun where he is building weapons. I believe that after his disgrace in LA he returned to Southsun and began plotting revenge. He manipulated the dredge and flame legion into forming an alliance in order to receive their advanced technology. This however backfired when the refugees created by the molten alliance’s activities were routed to Southsun. A few tourists on the beach he could keep his plans from but a flood of exploring refugees was to much. Now like every classic Scooby Doo villain, he’s aggravating monsters to scare away the refugees so he can continue his work in secret.
Except we know from an A-Net dev that he got the molten gloves from Raiding a Molten Facility, thus he was no friend of the Molten Alliance.
When he heard about the Molten Alliance refugees resettling on Southsun Cove, he saw a chance to help other Consortium victims and get even with Noll. […]He obtained the gauntlets from that escapade and wears them now as a symbol of his newly adopted (and so far poorly executed) role as a champion of the weak…right before he set out for Southsun Cove to settle things with Noll.
Canach does want to help the refugees. He’s just not being a smartypants about it =p
Canach is riling up the animals is his attempt to getting them to attack the Consortium – it’s not a bright idea, but his target is Noll and the Consortium there, not the refugees.
It’s one of the bits of lore never mentioned or hinted at (yet) in-game.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
He might be targeting the Consortium and Noll, but I don’t think helping the refugees is a priority in his agenda. I don’t think he cares at all for them, they’re just collateral damage in the Consortium thing so they could become an asset in his favor if he can get support from some of them, but his acts are clearly endangering everyone in the area.
He’s out for revenge and spite against the Consortium. I don’t think he’s a hero, the way he acted with Blingg in that story fragment revealed many traits of a psychotic perturbated crazy mind (the moving in shadows while maintaining a conversation, the whispering in the ear, the constant use of fire everytime he wanted to show something, the showing of head trophies to threat Blingg and then carry them away with him…). What he does against the Consortium may or may not be justified (they’re trying to kill him too after all) but he’s endangering the refugees too in the process to get his revenge. He just doesn’t care about anyone but himself.
He may not be a villian, but he isn’t a hero. He is crazy and he needs urgent help from an expert before he kills everyone in that isle.
Canach is riling up the animals is his attempt to getting them to attack the Consortium – it’s not a bright idea, but his target is Noll and the Consortium there, not the refugees.
It’s one of the bits of lore never mentioned or hinted at (yet) in-game.
That’s mentioned in-game: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Henrika
Henrika: I supposed I had this coming after what I’ve done.
Player: You sound repentant.
Henrika: I am. I was lied to…lies I wanted to believe, mind you, but they were very convincing. I only wanted to hurt the Consortium and get all the settlers out from under that goblin Noll’s thumb.
Player: Who convinced you?
Henrika: That sylvari, Canach. He gave me the means to turn beasts into rampant threats so we could use them against the Consortium. He’s trouble, that one.
(edited by Lokheit.7943)
I don’t think anyone thinks of Canach as a hero. I personally see him as a villain alongside the Consortium (who also are villains in a different sense). I like that they have a little more of this type of play in the game.
I don’t think anyone thinks of Canach as a hero
Take a look around the Southsun forums. You will be surprised how many of them want to side with him and think he’s a good guy.
Second: The Sylvari are not a hivemind. The dream is more a subconcious connection that they have no control over. They are not in constant contact. Also the Pale Tree has thousands of children now, she can not converse with all of them the whole time. It has been stated that atm she mostly speaks only to the firstborn and they kind of govern the Sylvari. The player characters constantly bothering her might also add to distraction. =P Plus: imagine how distracting it must be to hear Trahearne whine 24/7 XD
They do have a certain degree of control over it if they can severe it as they wish (the 2 groups I mentioned). I’m just wondering in what relationship they are now, since Canach’s not a villain, but not really a hero either, and if he actually communes with her in some way, sometimes, since I noticed a lot of Sylvari turn to her as aid.
If I had to choose between the two I would side with him as well. My personal hope is that our PC’s help capture him and then out-maneuver the Consortium to help out the Settlers.
Second: The Sylvari are not a hivemind. The dream is more a subconcious connection that they have no control over. They are not in constant contact. Also the Pale Tree has thousands of children now, she can not converse with all of them the whole time. It has been stated that atm she mostly speaks only to the firstborn and they kind of govern the Sylvari. The player characters constantly bothering her might also add to distraction. =P Plus: imagine how distracting it must be to hear Trahearne whine 24/7 XD
They do have a certain degree of control over it if they can severe it as they wish (the 2 groups I mentioned). I’m just wondering in what relationship they are now, since Canach’s not a villain, but not really a hero either, and if he actually communes with her in some way, sometimes, since I noticed a lot of Sylvari turn to her as aid.
only the soundless sever themselves from the dream.the nightmare court are actually trying to change the dream, so they won’t sever it themselves, and I don’t think the pale tree can sever a sylvaries connection to the dream.
anyway I think that canach is a well-intentioned extremist, so he thinks h is doing what’s right.
He might be targeting the Consortium and Noll, but I don’t think helping the refugees is a priority in his agenda. I don’t think he cares at all for them, they’re just collateral damage in the Consortium thing so they could become an asset in his favor if he can get support from some of them, but his acts are clearly endangering everyone in the area.
Not according to Scott:
As for the flaming gauntlets, remember that Canach is a seasoned combat veteran and an experienced guerilla fighter with a fairly twisted sense of what’s right. When he heard about the Molten Alliance refugees resettling on Southsun Cove, he saw a chance to help other Consortium victims and get even with Noll. But like a good soldier, he wanted to understand the situation in which he was about to involve himself, so he made a point of seeking out one of the Molten Alliance weapons facilities and clearing it. He obtained the gauntlets from that escapade and wears them now as a symbol of his newly adopted (and so far poorly executed) role as a champion of the weak…right before he set out for Southsun Cove to settle things with Noll.
He is out to help the settlers, but he’s more interested in sticking it to the Consortium, and helping out the settlers is just a means to do that. And he seems to want to justify his actions by claiming “I’m helping them.”
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Honestly I’m seeing it just as himself justifying how own actions to the point he’s delusional enough to actually believe that he’s a hero. But I think it’s all a mean to get his revenge rather than really caring about them. Acting like their saviour is more part of the plan than the real objective.
Basically, he’s a clear-cut case of one of these.
To those who think Scarlet hate means she’s succeeded as a villain:
People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.
People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.
Both posts above is pretty much what I’ve been saying.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.