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Right, i mistook him with the norn Gullik who was supposed to be dead but survived. My bad.

Either way, we have two separate methods showing how abominations are created. One is pulling itself together after only a few limbs are put in proximity, and another that needs stitching by other risen. Proximity to Orr and Zhaitan doesnt seem to be a factor since the stronger method happened farther away from Orr than the one that required more external effort. Seeing how Zhaitan himself appears to be formed of a number of dragon corpses, i wonder…

If there is any shred of (un)life left in Zhaitans corpse, i think its safe to assume that the risen will do everything in their power to put him back together in the city of Arah where he fell, and where the Pact still cannot just stride in.

Which is why I still believe in my theory that Tequatl (or one of Zhaitan’s other dragon lieutenants) is in the process of becoming the new Elder Dragon of Undeath. When slain, an Elder Dragon’s power does not simply disappear; similar to how Kormir took Abaddon’s power after his death, it can be transferred or usurped by another.

That might mean that killing an Elder Dragon is downright impossible unless one were to systemically destroy each and every one of its minions beforehand. (Or hunt them all down one by one afterwards.)

One theory I hold is since it seems like Risen to TRULY kill you gotta smash them until it’s unrecognizable… we don’t do that much damage to champions.

So they could come back after we think they die, especially if we don’t confirm the deaths by finding the corpses.

So if blightghast appeared again, I wouldn’t be outraged or shocked.

We dont know if draconic power is similar to divine power in relation to it being possible to usurp it. What we do know from the asura PS though is that magic is quantifyable and supposedly impossible to destroy. This wasnt proven wrong though, only that dragons eating magic would initially reduce the worlds ambient magical level. Later we learn from the Zephyrites that dragons act like magical sponges, devouring magic, then slowly returning it to the world while they slumber.

So where did Zhaitans power go to? Though i dont think we have actual proof or reference about draconic power acting like divine power in this regard, it is suspect that it doesnt just disappear into the Mists. I suppose we can be glad that Zhaitans power didnt go the way Abaddon’s did. If Kormir wasnt there, the dying Abaddon would have unleashed a Nightfall worse than what he was going to originally. There were no Kormirs around Zhaitans fall. This can mean multiple things.

No Living World story has delved into this matter yet, and the only close reference to Zhaitan is Tequatl’s evolution.

The karka agression is more indirect, and it can be the consortiums fault as much as the Deep Sea Dragon pushing toward Tyria.

Here is another thought though. If the sylvari are connected to Moldremoth as they are suspected to be, and the greatest sylvari weapon Caladgbolg’s essence practicly cleansing Orr (slow as it does), if the cleansing waters reach Zhaitan’s carcass (be it regenerating, slumbering, or just holding the last remnants of the ED’s power), would it be possible that Moldremoth leech some of that dormant power away through Caladbolg? As far as i remember Caladbolg was left in the Artesian Well where the first roots sprouted after the cleansing ritual. Correct me if im wrong.

In terms of ED powers, I mostly assumed that most of their power was just the combined power of everything they ate and all the magic in Tyria was basically theirs. When there’s no more magic they go to sleep. Magic seeps out of them until they reach ‘low enough levels’ then they wake up and eat it all again (kinda like the Ouroboros, ever eating itself). So I’d imagine magic is probably still seeping out of whatever remains of him.

My theory is that the magic that Zhaitan had consumed (do keep in mind that we began starving him near the later-beginning of the weeks-long invasion of Orr, so he wouldn’t have as much magic by the time of death as he would have otherwise, even if it’s still a huge amount) would do two things: slowly seep out into the surrounding area and, since there’s no indication of the connection between minion and Zhaitan being cut, continues to flow into his minions (but now without a drawing from them side like previously heavily implied). This results in a double expulsion of magic, but the risen – all of them – becoming stronger over time (thus explaining why they think he’s still alive, as they’d be receiving magic from him under this theory, and also explaining the increase of Orrian risen size update a long while back now and the increased difficulty of temple priest events update also a long while back).

Im a bit confused about something on this topic, namely the actual awakening of the dragons and how that fits with their possible defeat.

Basicly EDs would consume the magic of Tyria and then go into hybernation where they slowly leak that magic back into the world. When they are getting hungry in their sleep, they rise and start over. This rising though is always accompanied by massive landscape-changing cataclysmic events which i can only assume requires great amounts of power. Its not like a bear awakening lazily and dazed after the winter sleep.

At some occasions, namely how it was with Primordus, minions awake/are formed sooner than the dragons wake, and actively contribute to the actual waking. Either that or we didnt actually postbone Primordus’s waking by defeating the Great Destroyer. My theory is that minions can actively strengthen even a sleeping dragon. And im not sure if there actually is a difference between “killed” EDs and sleeping EDs at this point. The Order of Whisperes may be right, and maybe they cant be destroyed, just put back to sleep.

Now, i dont know what that magitech beam on the Glory of Tyria did to Zhaitan in Victory or Death. But the minions of Zhaitan are still active, more so than before. Though Zhaitan was one of the dragons that woke sooner than having minions of their own (correct me if im wrong, havent read Sea of Sorrows yet), if my theory is correct and minions of any dragon can empower the dormant power of their masters, then what we have is a race between the risen forces waking Zhaitan again and the Pact trying to eradicate every risen that could do so.

And if you think that the Pact is winning it easily, consider Tequatls evolution and continuous return. Or if you dont belive dynamic event loops are a valid measure of how the world is doing, then consider that we dont have any coverage of 60-70% of the Orrian Peninsula, including Arah and the carcass of Zhaitan himself.

First thing I noted wrong in your comment: it isn’t always accomodated with landscape changes. Primordus, for example, awoke with next to no show. Mordremoth seems to be the same. Just a few scale 1-3 earthquakes it seems, which don’t do much unless the places are already unstable (like the case was for EotN I believe).

It also doesn’t require a great amount of power – they’re HUGE, so naturally minor earthquakes will happen when they move while shaking the dirt from over their head.

Second, it doesn’t seem to be just “on some occasions” – not only Primordus, but Jormag also had this. Zhaitan’s also known to have a minion from the previous rise (the Giganticus Lupicus) which could have contributed to this. Only Kralkatorrik seems to not have had this – but that’s just to our knowledge due to Glint. And first thing he did was corrupt – which appears to require consuming magic.

Tequatl is mentioned to be dead in the storyline, so I wouldn’t be so sure about his “continuous return”.

I’m going with “Tequatl may be dead or defeated for a long while now.” Like Zhaitan may be dead or knocked out for a few thousand years (or shorter/longer).

At the same time, because how other Risen are described as acting, I wouldn’t be surprised if he kept coming back or others appeared again. I believe in the old “Find the corpse and confirm the death!” method of dealing with undead.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

First thing I noted wrong in your comment: it isn’t always accomodated with landscape changes. Primordus, for example, awoke with next to no show. Mordremoth seems to be the same. Just a few scale 1-3 earthquakes it seems, which don’t do much unless the places are already unstable (like the case was for EotN I believe).

It also doesn’t require a great amount of power – they’re HUGE, so naturally minor earthquakes will happen when they move while shaking the dirt from over their head.

Second, it doesn’t seem to be just “on some occasions” – not only Primordus, but Jormag also had this. Zhaitan’s also known to have a minion from the previous rise (the Giganticus Lupicus) which could have contributed to this. Only Kralkatorrik seems to not have had this – but that’s just to our knowledge due to Glint. And first thing he did was corrupt – which appears to require consuming magic.

Tequatl is mentioned to be dead in the storyline, so I wouldn’t be so sure about his “continuous return”.

Primordus is keeping to underground. Just because we dont have a massive surface landscape change poking our eyes shouting “This is where Primordus woke up!” doesnt mean that he didnt change much/most of the area where he woke. And even that is without speculating that the Mount Maelstrom Volcano is his doing, when it very well could be.

Moldremoth just stirred so far, wait a few LW releases before fully concluding that the awakening of the dragon that is most associated with the land itself would not change the landscape when he fully wakes.

The second point is actually what im trying to make. Appearently dragon minions can strengthen their dormant dragons or just otherwise help them wake up again. Depending on what downing Zhaitan was compared to putting him back to sleep, As long as there are risen minions to help him wake up again by whatever means, there will be a chance that he will return if left unchecked. With Moldremoth waking up and dividing the Pacts resources on two distant fronts…

Lakdav, we know where Primordus awoke – next to the Central Transfer Chamber, which is along the border of Frostgorge Sound and Fireheart Rise, on Frostgorge’s side. There is no cataclysmic change there.

Mount Maelstrom may be Primordus’ doing but it was not when he woke up, as it is halfway across the continent N/S wise.

And if we think of it, Kralkatorrik’s waking was only cataclysmic because he went after Glint. If Glint didn’t get turned then Kralkatorrik wouldn’t have made the Dragonbrand.

Jormag’s awakening doesn’t seem to have been cataclysmic either, since it took four years before he assaulted the norn, and chances are the creation of Frostgorge Sound was after that given if it was before then most norn would have drowned.

On the second point, it was more of an agreement on champions waking their master, but it isn’t really “possibly” since there are multiple examples and potential examples. I wasn’t commenting on the “Zhaitan is not dead, just sleeping”.

Zhaitan is not dead and the tidal wave from the rise of the dragon seems more like an accident. Just to note the tidal wave came from the rise of Orr, while the dragon was maybe longer awake underwater. We have basically no informations what happened in Orr underwater.

Nothing says that Zhaitan is not dead. He’s defeated with the Personal Story and there are, in fact, a few cases of Zhaitan being said to be dead or references to his corpse.

Zhaitan’s obviously been beaten before bad enough to warrant fusing other dragons as patches onto this own body… and his general appearance (or the decay was that bad).

If people ask my honest opinion, I go with “Wait until Devs explicitly confirm it without a doubt, or we see the corpse firsthand in an ingame update/new area” :P.

But no confirmation. I think I found why Tequatl got stronger and I am still struggling how to share (and should I share it?). I can confirm that it has nothing to do with Scarlet, but belongs to the whole story and that Zhaitan will still cause a lot of problems in the future (without showing up). Everything is well hidden and I have no direct proof, but it is a quite simple solution which causes even more questions.

@Kalavier: Or… that’s just how he naturally looks. Maybe there is no fusion to speak of. The concept art was to “look like” a bunch of undead dragons mashed together, but nothing actually says that what he is in-game.

Besides, it was developers who mentioned Zhaitan’s “carcass”/“corpse” – once before release (saying that we’d see it in Arah explorable, though it got cut from there due to the model change, and the other being when asked what the Pact is doing with it). For the latter, more recent case, see here.

@Horst:

Closest confirmation we have beyond the original intent less than a couple months prior to release.

Eh, my opinion is his appearance and the artwork of the loading screen of Arah storymode definately strikes me as he was far greater/more normal looking at some point, who knows how long ago but eventually he turned into what he was when we fought him.

It’s my opinion on the matter, but once solid, confirmed details come out either way I’ll alter it to take that into account.

That concept art is the final (known to us) concept art of Zhaitan which is for his Arah model. That is the “dragon comprised of dragon” look that Kekai made, and is actually less intact-looking than the actual model. But nonetheless, concept art != canon lore.

Even then, there isn’t really hard facts pointing either way.

I think we have more confirmations like the empowering of the Risen or Tequatl. Furthermore do the risen still pledge allegiance to Zhaitan or shout for his help. They shouldn’t do that, because they are connected and know better if he lives or not.

Those are good reasons to get into Arah again and search for the body, but we already have the body in form of the shards. We can see the wurm consuming risen, but that doesn’t mean that the wurm automatically has power over them. The dragon is dead. The waters are purified. The temples are sealed/interrupted. The Risen get somehow stronger.

It looks like magical consumption is a central part of the major story. There are a lot of reappearing pattern concerning comsuming of something and getting power for it (up to food and tonics including recipe designs which probably hold a lot background informations).

Is that bit about risen pledging allegiance to Zhaitan/shouting for his help a question or a statement? (Worded like a question, but you have a period and is the case per Arah story so…).

But just because he’s dead doesn’t mean that they wouldn’t stop acting on Zhaitan’s behalf or praising him. After all, their mentality has gotten twisted into being fanatical towards the dragon – so why wouldn’t they still pledge allegiance to the Zhaitan and the corrupted state of Orr?

And as said in another thread, I wouldn’t take the dungeon tokens as canon lore until brought up as such.

I would take time to note, however, the fact that the Evolved Jungle Wurm consumes risen is a very important point. While Zhaitan was alive – or rather, before he was assaulted in Arah – consuming a risen turned the consumer into one too as seen throughout Sparkfly Fen (a lot of hylek complain and mention that wildlife are eating risen corpses and thus becoming corrupted themselves, which results in less food for them). But if doing such is not corrupting the wurm then:

1) it’s a risen (highly unlikely)
2) that rule changed due to Zhaitan’s death (possible; corruption is an active act, so if the one causing the corruption dies/goes to sleep, the corruption ceases to spread it seems)
3) that wurm is immune to dragon corruption (unlikely)

Supposedly we are meant to kill that wurm in very short notice. How fast the corruption happens can depend on a lot of things, amongst those would be the natural resistence to any sort of disease an ancient wurm would have.

Where do you get that corruption is an active act? If anything, we know from the story of the nornbear that dragons can corrupt in their sleep.

If it’s tied to the jungle dragon, it may be immune in that sense. The other major jungle wurm is implied to be tied to it after all.

Lakdav, throughout the Personal Story and in Edge of Destiny we see that corruption is active. Svanir was corrupted by Drakkar whom was stirred by Svanir tapping into it. It wasn’t a sleep (whether Svanir woke it is unknown). Champions can corrupt in their dragon’s place.

Svanir tried to contact the power that proved to be Jormags champion, Drakkar. There is nothing to my knowledge that indicated that Drakkar actively wanted to corrupt him, instead it was Svanir who tempered with something that drove him mad and corrupted.

I can get behind that minions and champions can spread their corruption actively, but the dragons themselves are more likely doing such without a thought given to it. Corruption is a side-effect of their presence or feeding. There are actual artifacts that corrupt those holding them, for example the orrian artifacts Kellach interacted with in the human Orders storyline. I have a hard time figuring that a lifeless object actively wanted to corrupt a seraph.

We actually do know that Drakkar actively affected Svanir. I’m on my phone atm so it’s hard to find and link but Jeff Grubb did mention such and in the novel Edge of Destiny, Eir mentions Drakkar doing the same to the early Sons of Svanir group (not naming Drakkar mind you). Svanir tapped into power he felt, which was Drakkar. Drakkar, in turn, whispered into Svanir’s mind with promises of powerful prey to hunt and the power to hunt them, and thus turned Svanir into an icebrood.

The dragons’ corruption is most certainly active. We see Kralkatorrik stop corrupting in Edge of Destiny – and start again – on a whim. He decides to breath corruption at set points in the fight against Destiny’s Edge. And all Elder Dragons seep out magic without corrupting while asleep (otherwise the Bloodstones would have been corrupted and so would the asura gate network). It is not a passive act, but you are right that it is tied to them feeding (though not necessarily solely or always).

As for the objects, since they have no mind obviously those aren’t active but that is entirely different from Elder Dragons, their champions, or their minions. They would have to be corrupted in a way in which the corruption spreads to the wielder.

I dont know anything about dev comments, but i do belive Jora’s account who was actually there in GW:EN. From the cinematic itself it looks like all that happened was Svanir opening himself to a power he couldnt comprehend and while Jora rather blocked herself (and her ability to turn into Bear), Svanir didnt or maybe couldnt shut it out, and turned into the Nornbear. I would also like to point at the obvious differences between what happened to Svanir who was corrupted to the extreme in mere seconds compared to the slow indoctrination that Sons of Svanir go through before they turn into icebrood. Promises of prey and power are what sons of svanir get. Sudden and extreme corruption is what Svanir himself got.

Dragon corruption is only as active to them as digestion is to us. We dont think about what is happening to our food once we eat it, but it happens regardless. We dont think about the breaths we exhale, and even though with a little effort we can stop breathing, its mostly automatic. I dont know where, when, how but more importantly why Kralkatorrik decides not to keep corrupting, especially considering if its a result of his feeding that would only make him stronger. Stopping would be most stupid of him.

Dragons seeping out magic is a different matter entirely. If corruption is the result of feeding on magic, giving magic back in their hybernating state is of the opposite nature and thus not corrupting. It could even be purifying, if you consider that the dragons would be doing this for countless cycles before recorded history. The next generation/cycle wouldnt be able to prosper if the land didnt heal somehow between their times of waking.

However i theorise that the nature of this process changes depending on the ambient magic level in the world. It could be part of the mechanism. Dragons consume all magic, they go to sleep. They seep magic back into the world thus it begins to heal. Ambient magic level rises and the land is fully healed. Balance. More magic is seeped back into the world, balance disrupted. The dragons grow hungry, the world is overflowing with magic. The magic seeped back by the dragons is no longer beneficial to the world. Pre-waking corruption happens, with the hungry stirring of the dragons and their champions, Svanir corrupted, Great Destroyer (re)formed etc. Corrupted minions prepare for the waking of their masters. With or without their aid, the dragons rise. The less their minions prepared for their awakening, the hungrier they are, and the more destructive their awakening is.

Im thinking you are giving dragon corruption too much credit in its method of spreading. Dragons themselves are said to be more like animals and natural disasters rather then calculating masterminds. Their corruption acts more according to a set of natural/magical principle rather than how their respective dragons want it. Thats why the Inquest can manipulate and direct it without the consent of the dragons. Whether the dragons gain control of the corrupted victims afterward is another matter.

The dev comments mainly from here:
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Nora was there but she couldn’t hear Drakkar communicating directly into Svanir’s mind. Read those posts by Stephane relating Jeff Grubb’s words. There are other places but that is the main bit.

And if Dragon corruption is “as active to them as digestion is to us” explain how Kralkatorrik stopped corrupting at will during Edge of Destiny. Explain how the Elder Dragons do not corrupt at all times. Explain how we fought Zhaitan or Aesgir fought Jormag without becoming corrupted. Explain this to me. And give examples were we see the Elder Dragons corrupting without intending to.

We explicitly see that the Dragonbrand’s creation was an active action. Go read Edge of Destiny and you will know that you are wrong. It is, as I said already in both this and my previous post, shown that Kralkatorrik choose when to corrupt.

You know what? I hate to pull that arguement, but the best i can come up with is that its clumsy writing. Because lets say dragons choose when and what to corrupt. Why would they stop corrupting?Why did Kralkatorrik choose not to corrupt DE? Why did Jormag choose not to corrupt Aesgir? Why didnt Zhaitan, as starved as we made him in the PS, choose not to corrupt the whole Pact fleet? Do you have a feasable answer for that? Because if you do, then my answer would be the same as yours. They either chose not to corrupt which would be stupid of them and a subject to clumsy writing, or they are prevented from corrupting by whatever means that are not cleared in the story or the lore, which is subject to clumsy writing.

lakdav.3694:

Why would they stop corrupting?Why did Kralkatorrik choose not to corrupt DE? Why did Jormag choose not to corrupt Aesgir? Why didnt Zhaitan, as starved as we made him in the PS, choose not to corrupt the whole Pact fleet? Do you have a feasable answer for that?

If we take some points into investigation like every elder dragon is an individual, the magic gathering stuff has a higher purpose (Eat & sleep? What a boring life!) and put them together with the real problems of Tyria, then we get some very disturbing answers.

Why do you stop being awake? It is an active conscious action and if you do one thing at all times you won’t be able to do other things.

Kralkatorrik did try to corrupt Destiny’s Edge, and made several passes (this is why there is a big kitten blot at the end of the Dragonbrand), but Glint and then Snaff’s mind distracted him, and he thought they were insignificant until Snaff entered his mind (it was at that point – between battling Glint and Snaff entering its mind) that he made most of those passes.

It isn’t poor writing, because nothing indicates corruption is passive nor does anything indicate that they can corrupt 24/7. You not understanding doesn’t demand something to be bad.

Why didn’t Jormag corrupt Aesgir is a mystery we don’t yet know, but there are hints that he had a jotun scroll with him that aided him.

Why Zhaitan didn’t corrupt the Pact is because he couldn’t, thanks to Zojja modifying Kudu’s reseaerch into o Dragon magic – the entire reason we were able to kill him at all.

All of this is shown and told in game or in Edge of Destiny. Just because you don’t know or understand it doesn’t mean it is sloppy writing. It is not clumsy because it is told to us. But it is obvious that they choose to because we see it as something they can do or not do.

Or understanding how dragon corruption works as a natural/magical principle allowed the mentioned parties to prevent being effected by the corruption.

Kralkatorrik not thinking about corrupting DE “because they are insignificant” the first time he appeared is plain stupid. He passed through Ascalon and corrupted many more insignificant little mortals. A number of other possibilies as to why were they not effected could be theorised. Glint herself actively protecting them. Glints sanctuary having such an effect. The tattoos the members of DE had to prevent corruption by the Dragonspawn giving a similar resistance.

The suspected Jotun scrolls Aesgir might have is the same. Something that prevents corruption, not Jormag deciding not to corrupt him. If the norn spirits themselves aided him it would be the same. Zojja using Kudu’s dragon research is so blatantly the same!

‘Not being able to’ and ‘deciding not to’ are two different things.
‘Not being able to’ can suggest both active and passive effects. You can take a deep breath. You can decide not to, or you may be unable to do so because you are under water.
‘Deciding not to’ suggests ignorance, arrogance and sheer stupidity either from the Dragons or the writers.

The question “Why could they not corrupt…” would lead to development of strategy and a solution to the nature of dragon corruption. It is productive and forward thinking and presents opportunity to build additional lore and spark discussion.
The question “Why did they choose not to corrupt…” only results in a big pile of “we were just lucky i guess” in Tyria, and confusion about the story in reality.

You really need to read Edge of Destiny. Let me try to list the order of the events:

DE and Glint set up traps for minions. -> Kralkatorrik shows up. -> Eir and Glint do surprise attack. -> Kralkatorrik breaths over the area. -> Glint reaches Kralkatorrik and distracts him, meanwhile minions attack DE. -> Kralk kills Glint after she gets yoke on him. -> Kralk don’t care, until Snaff gets into his mind. -> Kralk think they’re too insignificant so continues sending minions. -> Minions keep failing, so he dives in trying to corrupt a couple times, DE evades using cover (never touches them, they don’t get corrupted). -> Snaff takes control of Kralk’s body, Rytlock rushes to where Kralk falls. -> Minions rush past Caithe and kill Snaff before Rytlock makes it. -> Kralk flies away, mission accomplished and not caring for the other four DE members.

It is EXPLICITLY STATED why they’re not corrupted (they avoid being breathed on, the breath is what’s corrupting). The tattoos made by the gray powercrystals ground down was for blocking mental connections, so ineffective against Kralkatorrik.

So, once again, it is explicitly stated and shown that Kralkatorrik chooses not to corrupt, because it was not constant during the question.

Maybe they choose when to corrupt and not because corruption isn’t so simple. Maybe it takes effort or puts strain on them. Maybe it requires a large amount of magic. So it isn’t just “we were just lucky” but means that it is not something that they can do constantly. And it also means there must be a conscious effort behind corruption (which would explain why they don’t corrupt when asleep).

About Zhaitan, I should make a correction to my previous post – Kudu’s research being used was utilized for the weapons against Zhaitan. It should be noted that Zhaitan only corrupts corpses so… why would he corrupt living beings? Maybe as the forces were killed he corrupted them like he did any other time. But we don’t see it because no one died near us.

(rereads Edge of Destiny)

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Well i’ll be a lobotomised lab-monkey, you are right. Dragon corruption appearently can be avoided entirely by taking cover.

The corruption of the dragons breath that corrupted the ground itself so deep that the miners in Fields of Ruin still havent reached uncorrupted soil beneath it…. can be avoided by taking cover.

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You won. Cant argue with the book.

I think that and this are rather different – the difference is that it is different objects. E.g., a skritt in a cave beneath the land as Kralkatorrik flew over may not have been corrupted, but all the dirt around it would have been. For example, Snaff was in his golem – the golem got corrupted, but not Snaff, who was dangling and not touching the golem that got corrupted).

But you’re changing the topic.

The topic isn’t “how to avoid corruption” it is “whether corrupting is active or passive”. And the book shows this – without (potentially, depending on how it functions) contradicting evidence, unlike avoiding the corruption.

And mind also that the Dragonbrand is spreading- it would only be logical for the corruption to be going down as well as outward. For all we know Kralkatorrik’s first pass may well have only gone a foot or two deep, and in the 5+ years since it’s oozed down to the point it’s at.

The point is that right now i have a hard time taking the book seriously, but since it is like the Holy Grail of GW2 lore that defines everything, im in no position to argue the validity of your points based on the book.

So yeah, you won. All points go to Konig. And i guess i should never come to the lore forums again unless i properly educate myself on the anti-Kralkatorrik-breath attributes of a crystalized Gila amongst every other things, based on all books and every developer interview that ever existed. Because the game itself is the last place to look for lore.

I derailed the topic for long enough. It wasnt about corruption being active or not, but about the consumption of Zhaitans corpse. Do go on ahead on that subject..

I wouldn’t call it “the Holy Grail of GW2” – but thus far, it doesn’t hold contradictions (beyond what Glint said about her becoming free, though that’s more like an omission of fact – she’s pulling Killeens).

Nor am I saying that you shouldn’t show up here. And again, the topic was not about “anti-Kralkatorrik-breath attributes” but whether Elder Dragons corrupting is active or passive.

Your little trantrum is about things that… wasn’t the point at all.

Can we hang is head above LA or the vigil? But only visable if you completed arah story? Or PS?

Daishi.6027:

Can we hang is head above LA or the vigil? But only visable if you completed arah story? Or PS?

Zhaitan is 500m long. His head is huge….

Kalavier.1097:

Daishi.6027:

Can we hang is head above LA or the vigil? But only visable if you completed arah story? Or PS?

Zhaitan is 500m long. His head is huge….

Use it as the foundation for the new Lion Fountain?

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Kalavier.1097:

Daishi.6027:

Can we hang is head above LA or the vigil? But only visable if you completed arah story? Or PS?

Zhaitan is 500m long. His head is huge….

Use it as the foundation for the new Lion Fountain?

That would be cool, at the very least it would be a nice symbol of Zhaitan’s defeat and the progression of the overall GW2 story.