Guild Wars 2

Dont now if anyone else noticed but the crest on the item icons for the Thackeray Family crest, Gwen’s necklace (which was made using Gwen’s family crest) and the Barridin family crest are all the same crest.

Accidental coincidence that we are bound to read far more into than Arenanet intended or hidden hint? :P

Uh… the Barradin crest is a stag head. The Thackeray crest looks like a shield of some sort (compare the Ascended amulet to the ring – it looks like the amulet is what’s on the ring). They’re not the same.

The Ascended amulet for the Barradin crest is, oddly, different than the other family crest one though… How nice of Anet to provide two items of the same name. But given this, I’m going to say that it’s Anet being lazy.

Yeah, I didnt think it was anything. I just thought Id try and spark some baseless speculation:P

I just noticed on close inspection that the image was similar. I didnt know about the stag head crest though.

Well, clearly, Gwen and Kieran were third cousins twice removed. That’s why their family crests are so similar.

:P

A more likely explanation – other than “Anet be lazy” – would be that the Thackeray Family Crest is the same as Gwen’s family crest – since she did marry into the Thackeray family, if they didn’t have a family crest (nothing says they did), I think they’d have taken Gwen’s family’s crest.

the family of a male taking on the family crest of a female that married into the family – sounds highly unlikely and plain illogical considering feudal relations. The more likely thing to happen if one became important through his deeds is to “invent” a new family crest for himself and his descendants not take the one of his wife.

P.S. i vote for the unintentional mistake theory.

Well, strickly speaking Gwen outranked her husband and was the leader of Ebonhawke. We know for a fact that Gwen’s necklace had her family crest on it cause we make it in GW1 Beyond to be given to her as a gift.

Either way I was really just teasing. I doubt there is any profound hint in the icons. As Konig showed, they already have a crest for Barridin and its a stag.

Of course, why Gwen’s family had a crest is an old question from GW1 considering her mother just seemed to be a commoner.

Family crests usually pass only via male line – meaning probably her father was a minor noble. As far as i know there is no information of his identity.

I don’t think that Ascalon has a typical feudal relation compared to our history. They seem to be more gender-neutral overall, as is Kryta, and given this and the notion we have no knowledge of Keiran having a family crest, the Thackeray line could have taken Gwen’s (though we never did find out what Gwen’s maiden name was…).

Though the Thackeray line making a family crest after marriage is also possible, given how there are differences – it seems like it takes the Gwen’s Necklace emblem and puts it within a shield. So that’d be different enough to be a “new” family crest, made with Gwen’s in mind.

Given what I remember about Gwen’s mother before the Searing, it doesn’t seem like she was from a noble line – certainly I always got the impression that they were countryside commoners, in which case it would seem weirdly pretentious to have a family crest at all. Of course, she did eventually become quite the leader among the Ebon Vanguard, and she may have acquired a crest for herself in later years. If that were the case, the Thackeray line would have it thereafter.

Her family had a crest before she became a leader among the Ebon Vanguard. Source. I had always figured that her family fell from nobility for one reason or another. It’s also possible, given how neat her clothes were in pre-Searing, that Gwen’s mother simply helped commoners a lot.

Grezko.7950:

Family crests usually pass only via male line – meaning probably her father was a minor noble. As far as i know there is no information of his identity.

Who said family crest can only be pass down by the male line. This were you a wrong, the formation of a noble house are usually boom granted by the king or queen which intent create this. Where I come from in west Africa (Ghana) the Akan tribe take the mother line instead of the father line names. So you see this could be the same here.

I always considered the crest might have come from Gwen’s father. Gwen when she is a child says he was a great warrior who died when she was seven (during the guildwars maybe?) and that he was an adventurer.

As far as Im aware we never learn anything more about him. It seems more likely to me that he would have a crest than gwen’s mother who was a village herbalist.

Why would Gwen’s family even have a crest? Were they of nobility? Given that she and her motehr used to live in the village, like common folk, I would asume, they are commoners.

It could be that they come from nobility, that their family fell in prosperity for one reason or another. What matters is, whatever the reason, Gwen did have a family crest before marrying Keiran.

If they were once nobel, I hope their land was taken from them for producing this annoying brat called Gwen. :P She is the reason my player character from GW1 can’t have nice things anyway.

The quest you linked makes it sound more like a personal symbol than a family crest to me (even Sarah’s dialogue sort of sounds like she designed it just for Gwen), but that’s interpretation, it could be either way.

Interesting. I never had Sarah spawn for me at the end of that fight. I just knew the bit were Gwen refers to it as her family emblem.

Either way it doesnt mean much unless Arenanet actually do something with it. I could easily see it getting adopted as the Thackarey crest after Gwen though considering how important she became.

Sarah always spawns at the end of that quest. If she didn’t, then it shouldn’t have been completed.

Though an interesting line I caught: “I embroidered it on her clothes when she was a child.”

That’d mean the thing on her shirt here is likely her family crest that was embroidered. And either Gwen is wrong about it being a family crest, or Sarah means that she designed the what was sketched meaning that what’s on Gwen’s shirt (and thus on the pendant) is a slightly modified version.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Sarah always spawns at the end of that quest. If she didn’t, then it shouldn’t have been completed.

Though an interesting line I caught: “I embroidered it on her clothes when she was a child.”

That’d mean the thing on her shirt here is likely her family crest that was embroidered. And either Gwen is wrong about it being a family crest, or Sarah means that she designed the what was sketched meaning that what’s on Gwen’s shirt (and thus on the pendant) is a slightly modified version.

Could be. Hard to tell.

I could have sworn I never saw Sarah spawn. I do remember the number of enemies that spawned being a greater threat then I had thought they would be. I wonder what happened. Her lines do create uncertainly in weither it could be an inherited crest or one her mother came up with.

Acaelus Thorne.3862:

Grezko.7950:

Family crests usually pass only via male line – meaning probably her father was a minor noble. As far as i know there is no information of his identity.

Who said family crest can only be pass down by the male line. This were you a wrong, the formation of a noble house are usually boom granted by the king or queen which intent create this. Where I come from in west Africa (Ghana) the Akan tribe take the mother line instead of the father line names. So you see this could be the same here.

With all the respect for your country’s culture, Ascalon is more closely modeled after a European feudal system. And yes some times even in european feudal systems the lineage of the mother takes priority but in most of those cases(if not all) this affects only royal houses (the English crown being a prime example). The most common situation is when a woman marries he children assume the title of their father. There are some exceptions to this rule of course.

Grezko.7950:

With all the respect for your country’s culture, Ascalon is more closely modeled after a European feudal system. And yes some times even in european feudal systems the lineage of the mother takes priority but in most of those cases(if not all) this affects only royal houses (the English crown being a prime example). The most common situation is when a woman marries he children assume the title of their father. There are some exceptions to this rule of course.

I see no hints of Ascalon using a feudal system. They have nobels owning estates and the land around it, but the people working their seem to be employees rather than vassals.
Also Tyria is very open in terms of gender equality (only some evil factions do not have it), so I would asume it’s like with a family name today (atleast here in germany), the child will use the father’s lastname/crest or a mix of the father’s and mother’s lastname/crest.

The other thing to take into consideration is that Keiran Thackeray didnt seem to have any noble heritage. Gwen did adopt his last name but considering he was the one who got the necklace with her crest on it made, I could very easily see Keiran adopting it as a family crest, particularly since after the foefire, Gwen was the highest ranking human alive in Ascalon. It sounds like something he would do.

BuddhaKeks.4857:

Grezko.7950:

With all the respect for your country’s culture, Ascalon is more closely modeled after a European feudal system. And yes some times even in european feudal systems the lineage of the mother takes priority but in most of those cases(if not all) this affects only royal houses (the English crown being a prime example). The most common situation is when a woman marries he children assume the title of their father. There are some exceptions to this rule of course.

I see no hints of Ascalon using a feudal system. They have nobels owning estates and the land around it, but the people working their seem to be employees rather than vassals.
Also Tyria is very open in terms of gender equality (only some evil factions do not have it), so I would asume it’s like with a family name today (atleast here in germany), the child will use the father’s lastname/crest or a mix of the father’s and mother’s lastname/crest.

My apologies i meant classed or tiered or medieval system i am not exactly sure about the correct term to be applied.

Mark of the Tethyos Houses
This must have once belonged to a victim of a largos assassin.

Does anyone know the story behind this?

Do any of them have stories behind them? Other than being a reference to something else in game? For that one, all you can defer is that (some?) largos assassins mark their kills – likely to prove they killed it. And that’s a mark related to the largos government body (the Tethyos Houses).