Guild Wars 2

In attempting to work out the set of “rules” that govern divination, precognition, foresight, whatever you want to call it in the world of Guild Wars 2, I wrote a wiki article detailing every prophecy, as-of-yet unfulfilled legend, or augury I could think of. But I’m sure there’s some I’ve missed, so what I ask is this: can anyone think of any more prophecies (that is, predictions of the future) in Tyria that I may have missed?

• Nightfall does occur, which is what the prophecy is about, so the prophecy, though not fully (Abaddon couldn’t return to the world of Tyria personally), was fulfilled.
• Regarding the path of Revelations, we’ve had mention by Jeff Grubb that the quest refers to Orr. You seem to go a bit overboard on bringing up unrelated things (Glint, Amaranda), but whatever – that’s why I left, to stop dealing with arguments of what’s relevant or not.
• The Mystic Telescope isn’t a prophecy, nor divination of any kind. It’s a study of historical events to create a pattern.

As for missed prophecies, I can only think of one off the top of my head, though I’m not sure if the first really counts as a prophecy:

“Do not leave us. Palawa Joko will rise again, and we must prepare to fight him. Forever…”
“I fear the powers rising in the Crystal Desert. I feel Palawa Joko’s fingers in the sand, counting the hours we have left on this world.”
“The Dynasties still live in my dreams. There is another true-blooded heir…”

Lines said by Dynastic Spirits The first obviously came about, the second could be interpreted in multiple ways (even talking about the darkness the Desert Gate Guard refers to), and the last could be referring to a descendent of Turai or the Primeval Kings living, perhaps (former less likely given the name of the NPC).

And another after doublechecking: “The Crystal Desert will become a Crystal Sea… when the stars align and the darkness lifts.”

Said by Sky Scholars who prophecize via reading the stars. One could say this refers to Joko damming the Elon and the large river forming in the Crystal Desert, other lines often refer to Varesh and Abaddon (indirectly) as a darkness, thus this event would take place post-Nightfall.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Nightfall does occur, which is what the prophecy is about, so the prophecy, though not fully (Abaddon couldn’t return to the world of Tyria personally), was fulfilled.

Nightfall is specifically the return of Abaddon to Tyria, which never happened (although it came close). There’s also dialogue or official text somewhere referring to the Ascension of Kormir, which says that had she not absorbed Abaddon’s power when he was defeated, Nightfall would have happened regardless, which would suggest that it had not happened yet. This seems relatively unimportant, though.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The Mystic Telescope isn’t a prophecy, nor divination of any kind. It’s a study of historical events to create a pattern.

We’re in disagreement anyway on how the stars work in Tyria, but in any case this method of “pattern matching” is no different to any of the Sky Scholars’ prophecies involving stars. Interestingly, Varra Skylark’s description of jotun astronomy matches up pretty closely with what Bahltek says about the night sky in Tyria, namely “The gods can be seen in the heavens… to varying degrees. They’ve emblazoned their marks upon the firmament, and these marks are not constant”. This supports the conclusions in the Varajar Fells notebook that the gods are somehow facets of nature, analogous to the Elder Dragons.

Anyway, this is a prophecy in the sense that it is a prediction about the future. Whether or not it is discerned by “scientific” means is asking the wrong question, since in Tyria magic and science are intertwined (for example, the asura).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

As for missed prophecies, I can only think of one off the top of my head, though I’m not sure if the first really counts as a prophecy:

“Do not leave us. Palawa Joko will rise again, and we must prepare to fight him. Forever…”
“I fear the powers rising in the Crystal Desert. I feel Palawa Joko’s fingers in the sand, counting the hours we have left on this world.”
“The Dynasties still live in my dreams. There is another true-blooded heir…”

Lines said by Dynastic Spirits The first obviously came about, the second could be interpreted in multiple ways (even talking about the darkness the Desert Gate Guard refers to), and the last could be referring to a descendent of Turai or the Primeval Kings living, perhaps (former less likely given the name of the NPC).

And another after doublechecking: “The Crystal Desert will become a Crystal Sea… when the stars align and the darkness lifts.”

Said by Sky Scholars who prophecize via reading the stars. One could say this refers to Joko damming the Elon and the large river forming in the Crystal Desert, other lines often refer to Varesh and Abaddon (indirectly) as a darkness, thus this event would take place post-Nightfall.

Good catch, I’ll add those to the article.

Tamias.7059:

Nightfall is specifically the return of Abaddon to Tyria, which never happened (although it came close). There’s also dialogue or official text somewhere referring to the Ascension of Kormir, which says that had she not absorbed Abaddon’s power when he was defeated, Nightfall would have happened regardless, which would suggest that it had not happened yet. This seems relatively unimportant, though.

The prophecy of Nightfall is just simply the “return of Abaddon”, actually. If you look here and here – it’s all very ambiguous but the former merely states “Now heretics see signs that their fallen god may be at work in the world again. His name has been eradicated from all history, burnished from all monuments, condemned as blasphemy—yet still, the servants of the unholy watch and wait. With sharpened blades and practiced spells, his followers await the return of their forgotten and forsaken deity.” while the latter merely states “A darkness grows across the land; one that will not easily be turned aside.” (the latter also stating a connection between Istan and Vabbi, and a separation of Kourna from Elona). All of this comes true.

The prophecy of Nightfall is, in its entirety, about:

• A fallen god’s power will be felt in Tyria again.
• Istan and Vabbi will unite.
• Kourna will distinguish itself from the rest of Elona.
• The fallen god’s pawns await the god’s return.

All this comes to pass.

Even if you include the Asian background on Abaddon (here and here ), it never mentions a prophecy of his return to Tyria. The former just repeats that the followers wait for his return to Tyria, the latter just says that he intends to devastate Tyria (which he does).

As to the dialogue/document: that’s an interesting thing to say given that we, the players, explicitly see this happen.

Tamias.7059:

Anyway, this is a prophecy in the sense that it is a prediction about the future. Whether or not it is discerned by “scientific” means is asking the wrong question, since in Tyria magic and science are intertwined (for example, the asura).

I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. But prophecies, by definition, are scientific and not mystic/magical. Even if the two do intertwine, they are still different.

Oh, and to your original situation of work out the set of “rules” for prophecies – as I see it, there are four situations all (accurate/considered proper) prophecies utilize:

• Glint, an oracle and mindreader
• Six Gods (Meerak claims to have been given a vision by Dwayna of the Searing; some of Abaddon’s servants by him, I think, of Nightfall; and Kehanni by Lyssa, of the PC’s showing up in Vabbi)
• Spirits (they themselves being the propheseer)
• Stars (Sky Scholar, Jotun, and a norn in Hoelbrak who claims the auroras in the sky changed since Jormag’s awakening to give a message – this one makes me curious as to if Varra is wrong about the stars determining events in Tyria)

Ah, there’s also the prophecy of breaking the tooth will signal there’s a hero to take on Jormag. Given by the Spirits of the Wild.

Edit: Also, the prophecy labeled “The forgotten god” by you? I’m 99% certain that the forgotten god mentioned is Abaddon, the prophecy is Nightfall. The constant note of “His” (thus making the not-yet-canon Arachnia, whom shouldn’t even be mentioned, unlikely especially since Arachnia is typically a female name), and all the talk about knowledge and wisdom kind of points to that, and the game is about Abaddon. The Lost Scriptures appear to be Scriptures of Abaddon, hence why the Margonites are so interested in them. Unless it is about Abaddon’s predecessor but that seems even more unlikely.