Guild Wars 2

Hello fellow Tyrians.

Back in the day. While the events of GW1 were developing, we saw two dragons: Glint and Kuunavang. Both dragons were powerful and they were willing to aid humanity to go through a rough time.

On a related subject, we know they world is just big, I mean BIG. And we’ve known little about most of it. I don’t see any logical reason for all the elder dragons to awake in such a narrow area as Tyria (the continent).

We know there are more elder dragons that the ones that we’ve fought. This is the DSD and Mordremoth. But my “What if” is:

What if there are many, and I mean a lot more, elder dragons waking arround Tyria(the world)?
What if Palawa Joko is fighting his own dragons and so are the Canthans?
What if the elder dragons we know are just the tip of the iceberg?

Now, assuming this is the case. What if there are other nations that have been way more successful than Tyrians on killing the giant lizards?
What do we know about the world out there?

it always felt very simplistic, if not stupid, that all these world-ending beasts were all lying around extremely close to each other, in the same continent.

but then again, non-humans were nowhere to be seen outside tyria in GW1, with the closest to that being the tengu, which are far less representative than any of the other races we consider “major”.

This is an interesting subject I’ve been looking into for a while. It has both pros and cons for there to be more Elder Dragons – and how many is debatable at that.

Cons for more dragons

• Jotun only mention of a “sextant of swallows” over multiple cycles, indicating global knowledge.
• Only three – possibly four – dragons actually went to sleep in continental Tyria: Primordus, Kralkatorrik, Zhaitan, and possibly Mordremoth. Jormag was much further north, and the DSD is much further south, meaning that the six known ED are a bit spread out. Jormag’s influence in Tyria is due to him pushing south since his awakening.
• Due to the previous cycle, all magic in the world was gathered at one point – in continental Tyria. This would undoubtably draw the Elder Dragons there.

Pros for more dragons

• Talk to Trahearne in Cear Aval after completing Victory or Death. He says that dragons are awakening across the world.
• In an interview prior to release with Jeff and Ree, there was a comment that basically said “Glint, Rotscale, and Kuunavang are like each other but also not like each other, in a similar fashion to how the Elder Dragons are both similar and different” – this implies that Rotscale and Kuunavang were also dragon champions (though Rotscale was raised by Stone Summit so he was a killed dragon champion that was raised again, and oddly made of bone… fun fact: Rotscale is continuously moving west after revival; dragon minions tend to head to their dragon unless ordered otherwise (e.g., the branded always moving south to Kralkatorrik)… and Mordremoth supposedly lies to the west).
• It should be noted that while the jotun make mention of six Elder Dragons in several cycles, it’s never said which six. Jormag, Primordus, and Zhaitan’s names all come from dwarven mythology and Kralkatorrik comes from Glint herself – the jotun never made mention of which six are the “sextant of swallowers”. For all we know, they were talking about six Elder Dragons that not one of which we have seen or heard of.
• An addendum to point one: who says “sextant” refers to six individuals and not six groups? There could be, for all we know, multiple Elder Dragons that fall into the domain of “fire” – e.g., an Elder Fire Dragon, Elder Lava Dragon, Elder Steam Dragon; and similarly multiple dragons falling into the domain of “earth” – e.g., Elder Vegetation Dragon (aka Mordremoth), Elder Crystal Dragon (Kralkatorrik), Elder Rock Dragon, Elder Metal Dragon… In such an otion, the “sextant” could be referring to six element types of dragons – fire, air, earth, water, ice/aether/metal (depending on your mythology for the last element).

Personally, I hope they don’t go the route of “endless Elder Dragons” – it’d be tiresome to find so many different dragons. Though it’d be interesting to see all the various kinds of corruption it could make. If they do go such a route, I hope that they lose the “they are dragons” and go with “they are eldritch abominations, many of which simply look like dragons” – which would further go with the “sextant of swallowers” notion.

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you forgot to add con: it’s more freaking dragons to deal with :P

and correct me if i’m wrong, but isn’t that huge crater in the far shiverpeaks the place jormag awoke from? ‘cause i remember that being the case, and if it is, he’s not THAT far north. definitely within the continent of tyria, just not on the more populated area (aka playable world).

on a side note, this talk about dragons being put to sleep made me wonder… how the hell did zhaitan end up under orr? did the whole peninsula just sprout there after he was put to sleep? was he put to sleep in the middle of the freaking ocean?

BrunoBRS.5178:

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you forgot to add con: it’s more freaking dragons to deal with :P

and correct me if i’m wrong, but isn’t that huge crater in the far shiverpeaks the place jormag awoke from? ‘cause i remember that being the case, and if it is, he’s not THAT far north. definitely within the continent of tyria, just not on the more populated area (aka playable world).

on a side note, this talk about dragons being put to sleep made me wonder… how the hell did zhaitan end up under orr? did the whole peninsula just sprout there after he was put to sleep? was he put to sleep in the middle of the freaking ocean?

Fantasy game. HUEHUEHUEHUE.
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It’s not where Jormag woke from – he’s said to have awakened in the arctic seas up north. However, he did shatter the Far Shiverpeaks when he woke up/shortly after.

As to why Zhaitan was buried – I expect the same reason why Kralkatorrik was partially buried. He slept for so long that he ended up sinking. After all, his corruption does result in swamplands, and things sink over time and in swamps so overtime while in a swamp? Yeah.

It’s possible as well that he went digging for the Bloodstone snack. Or fell asleep mid-flight and landed in a crater with the dirt falling back on top of him. :P

The simplest explanation is that Zhaitan went into hibernation in a cavern beneath Orr, and that the Cataclysm collapsed it on his head and he therefore had to push up upon awakening. Other options would be that he sunk/was buried in a manner similar to, but more exacerbated than, Kralkatorrik (after all, terrain can change a lot in 10,000 years- or 2,000, if you subscribe to that theory), or that he was in fact killed in the/a previous cycle and his corpse was simply left where it fell (a theory that I favor, given my belief that EDs function on the same general principles as elementals and that the point about terrain is even more valid when you double, or triple, the number).

personally, i’d like to think that the orrian peninsula wasn’t there during the last awakening, and whoever was around just pulled a kaiju disposal on him, then threw enough dirt over the body to form what we know as orr, just for good measure.

But we know that the Orrian peninsula was there- Glaust was freed on the site of what was later Arah.

it was a joke :|

I think anet still needs to explain why Cantha is the dragon nation while the dragons are awakening in Tyria. How can Kuunavang be there without being tied to the ED while everything else in Tyria is.

We think there are six dragons from Tyrian perspective (six zones in crucible of eternity and such.) So more dragons are possible. I’ve read here that people thought there could be a seventh dragon based on the sky and the stars, something like the celestial dragon from Cantha. But that’s probably just player speculation.

Bellyboomer.3048:

I think anet still needs to explain why Cantha is the dragon nation while the dragons are awakening in Tyria. How can Kuunavang be there without being tied to the ED while everything else in Tyria is.

We think there are six dragons from Tyrian perspective (six zones in crucible of eternity and such.) So more dragons are possible. I’ve read here that people thought there could be a seventh dragon based on the sky and the stars, something like the celestial dragon from Cantha. But that’s probably just player speculation.

I don’t think Canta is the dragon empire based on actual dragons. It’s rather like Lion’s Arch, where there’s no lion arround.

Ludovicus.7980:

Bellyboomer.3048:

I think anet still needs to explain why Cantha is the dragon nation while the dragons are awakening in Tyria. How can Kuunavang be there without being tied to the ED while everything else in Tyria is.

We think there are six dragons from Tyrian perspective (six zones in crucible of eternity and such.) So more dragons are possible. I’ve read here that people thought there could be a seventh dragon based on the sky and the stars, something like the celestial dragon from Cantha. But that’s probably just player speculation.

I don’t think Canta is the dragon empire based on actual dragons. It’s rather like Lion’s Arch, where there’s no lion arround.

There’s that, but keep in mind, Canthan culture does actually have alot of respect for dragons, as per Kunavaang herself, Lunar Festival Year of the Dragon, and a few others.

It’s not so much as Aesthetic in Canthan society as lions are in Krytan society.

I wonder if the canthans got more advanced than the tyrians due to the lack of char/centaur/ogre preassure.
If that was the case, they could even be the inventors behind aetherblade technology.
And they might be able to kill dragons with far more ease than tyrians.

It’s not inconceivable to believe that the dragons in Cantha, who are aesthetically completely different from what we’ve seen of the Elder Dragons, are an entirely different species of animal whose name most accurately translates to “dragon” in Canthan.

… Or all Canthan dragons are snakey dragons.

The movie Reign of Fire where the dragons eat ash and eventually turn on themselves before hibernation. maybe after there is no more magic to consume, the dragons seek each other out as the biggest sources of magic and fight until they go back to sleep.

^ That theory could also explain the possibility of how new Elder Dragons might arise. An Elder Dragon might be slain in battle with another, but their Champion survives and escapes to hide somewhere. In time, the Champion consumes enough magic and grows to become a new Elder Dragon, perhaps assuming the mantle and powers of its predecessor. There might have been more or less Elder Dragons at any particular point in history, but it seems that 6 is the “optimal” number for how many Tyria can support at a time.