Guild Wars 2

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Nightfall_%28event%29

So… It seems just by Abaddon merely awakening, the entire world goes to hell as the dimensions themselves begin to twist, and teeth emerge from the grounds.

This is all done while Abaddon is still sealed, as opposed to the Dragons who are limited to physically corrupting only the lands around them.

Are Nightfall and Abaddon STRONGER than the Dragons? I would argue his corruption is much more so.

It wasn’t Abaddon just awakening. His armies were preparing for the invasion for centuries.

Ludovicus.7980:

It wasn’t Abaddon just awakening. His armies were preparing for the invasion for centuries.

So were the dragons. Especially Primordus.

I’d argue it’s a sort of apples and oranges thing. Abaddon wasn’t twisting the world- he was twisting his realm/prison in the Mists, which is far more mutable, and then battering down the wall between the realities to overlay that onto this one. The dragons corrupt this version of reality, and have next to nothing to do with the Mists.

Abaddon also was actively striving to bring about the change- Nightfall was his goal. The dragons change the lands around them as a means to, or perhaps byproduct of, their ends.

Kain Francois.4328:

Ludovicus.7980:

It wasn’t Abaddon just awakening. His armies were preparing for the invasion for centuries.

So were the dragons. Especially Primordus.

Not really. The Great Destroyer – allegedly at least – only recently awoke by Eye of the North and Primordus awoke 50 years later. He’s been kept at bay by the Dwarves. Jormag had a little influence in Eye of the North, also recent, and spent centuries via Drakkar just to wake up. The others had no champions (allied with them, in Glint’s case) to set them up. Zhaitan attacked only because he had a nation of dead waiting for him when he awoke (not his own doing).

Abaddon on the other hand – he and his minions had been in the work since his imprisonment more or less, and had been actively fighting for 200 years before his chains began to break free. Also keep in mind that Abaddon was stronger than any two other gods.

The Elder Dragons are often compared to the gods in power, claimed to be about equal and possibly the Elder Dragons a bit stronger. This means Abaddon would be effectively stronger than two Elder Dragons – and at their peak at that (keep in mind that unlike Abaddon who’s had centuries to recover from his defeat, the Elder Dragons had been hibernating in starvation for 10,000 years, only to recently begin gathering strength the past 2.5 centuries at best).

So you’re basically comparing a guy with ghastly and demonic armies and the protomatter of the Mists at his will (at least in part) planning for a millenium before acting, and acting for over 200 years before setting the plan in motion, to beasts whom were sleeping for 10,000 years and only active for no more than 2.5 centuries and are about half his strength (at best comparison).

Also keep in mind that Abaddon is a god with power that is indestructible at his beck and call (the thing that makes him a god). While Elder Dragons may be god-like, they lack this. But on the other hand, keep in mind that Abaddon’s greatest force is his thoughts – that’s how he made folks insane and the Realm of Torment twisted into a mockery of reality because of his very thoughts alone. His physical or magical strength was rather unfounded, being capable of being beaten by a band of heroes (as opposed to Zhaitan, which took an entire army to defeat).

Point is: Abaddon is allegedly twice as strong as any Elder Dragon, but he was only able to do Nightfall because he was a god and interacted with the Mists (as Aaron said, he was actually twisting his own realm into a mockery of reality and then overlaying the two – rather than twisted reality itself – and it should also be noted that the mission with Melonni was not reality but her own dreams, a figment of her imagination we entered with the aid of magic); on the flip side, the Elder Dragons for all we know corrupt as an indirect means rather than directly as Abaddon did.

… Soo.. should Kormir be twice as powerful now than any two of the other gods?

What have we done?

That’s really unknown. We know that she absorbed his knowledge and his … being, with his will being broken and whatnot. But we don’t know if she absorbed whatever it was that made him capable of defeating two gods by himself.

Is there any known info about the Human Gods’ power as it is in their realms or the mist as opposed to the material world?

Maybe it’s a territory thing. Gods have greater power in their domain while the elder dragons happen to be powerful but only dwell in the physical world.