Guild Wars 2

Dust, the last point I made, I consider a relatively minor one. I totally understand and respect that Charr militaristic culture and social structure leads to this line of thinking in most Charr that have earned his or her place in their respective Warbands.

However my overall position stands. In my informed opinion I believe there is sufficient grounds to question the direction of the evolution of the Human situation in at least the past 250 years leading up to the events of GW2. Humanity is facing a very uncertain future in Tyria and their situation is not improving enough to ensure a viable future.

As I have made clear that humanity does not have the genuine respect of neither the Asurans nor the Charr, while the Sylvari and the Norn non-committal – at best.

I can see that. I think though, that your focus on the humans in the eyes of all the other races is skewing the entire truth.

-Asura don’t respect anybody. Often times, not even each other.

-The charr view all but the norn as weak. And that was only after they lost what they thought was going to be a sure victory. So the norn have proven themselves in the charr eyes while the other races including humanity are still doing so. Which makes sense because they haven’t worked on any cooperative level with anybodfy but the norn until recently. And we see from charr NPC comments that the charr are beginning to respect the other races. Namely humans and sylvari.

-Sylvari and norn are non-committal to anyone. But the sylvari do have their closest relationship with humans.

So if we single out humanity it may look like they are in trouble. But when we look at the big picture, they are in no more trouble than anyone else in that reguard.

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• Rurik was a minority to seek Krytan help, most Ascalonians didn’t trust them. Why would they, they had been fighting each other for hundreds of years? Did you miss that part?

• It’s delusional to want to die for your country? Eat yer heart out Marines.

• I have no idea what worse things they faced. Oh right…that Searing thing.

For the record, at the time ANet didn’t even have all the information. It was elaborated on later. Also, it was the Prophecies’ authors point of view, not the humans. Other than the Thadeus Lamount bit, is the lore written in 1st-person? Is the gameplay controlled by some human narrator somewhere?

“I want you to remember that no b*stard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb b*stard die for his country.”

I was wondering when someone was going to say that, a guildie uses that quote quite often.

My Lore focus has been on Humanity rather than say the Norn or the Sylvari is because while these two races are otherwise of interest to me, they have not been wronged in terms of the Lore. Things have happened but what has occurred has been fair and reasonable.

This cannot be said of Humanity. They have lost territory that to me they should not have – such as Ascalon south of the ruins of The Great Northern Wall (*please read my posts in regards to this subject before responding, as there are many details to this in them). As a result their statue is far from acceptable at this time.

Human tech and industry should be comparable to the Charr in Kryta, thus by extension in Ebonhawke – since it supplies that fortified town. However it is not. Note the development of the Watchknight shows promise if the operational bugs can be resolved and the technology is much more fully developed and applied to other purposes.

Having the humans with competitive tech and magic comparatively to other race would make for interesting plot lines as it allows a better mix of tech and its uses – thus giving the other races a real reason to respect humans overall – not just select individuals.

Very interesting to read all this since I totally LOVE Ascalon, Ebonhawke stories, backgrounds etc..!!
I miss Ascalon (pre-Searing).. it was so beautiful. Ebonhawke reminds me alot of Ascalon. <3

In all honesty when it was announced that GW2 would be a 250 year timeskip I expected humanity to be completely removed from ascalon, I didn’t see any way that their walls would’ve held against a continuous charr attack with cannon type of technology (ex. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walls_of_Constantinople) as their walls don’t seem as advanced as Constantinople’s walls, and charr artillery seems more advanced with stronger soldiers then the turks, I would also expect charr to far outnumber humans, as they are felines and have litters thus they reproduce faster, then their human enemies.

Good point there Infamous. The human nations through the Guilds that made war against each other would have caused the development of better and more advance methods of killing and mass destruction. The relatively rapid adoption of gun powder in Europe in warfare is an instructive example. This is in deep contrast with mainland China in that period.

China was the dominant power in East Asia and was without any significant rival so did not develop gun powder for warfare to anywhere near what European powers did even though they discovered the technology first. This fact should have transferred to the world of Tyria….

Put simply. The humans kingdoms would have had better military technology and a better organised and trained army than any Charr Legion/ Warband at the time of the events of GW(1). But then I’m only a mere player with an informed opinion.

The Destiny’s Edge group of adventurers were held up as example of an ideal raiding group that would go to any dungeon or boss fight as seamless team. And also as a cautionary tale. And this translates into our character’s Personal Story and concluding in the events in Orr and Zhaitan. I believe that this is why they are not really involved in the Living Story.

This is why the Living Story series does not work. It has been used as a means of progressing the Lore without answering the question. This also means the story of our characters and Destiny’s Edge is actually held in continuous loop. Its also why humanity is not able to actively participate in driving the Lore forward in a significant sense rather than just being a passenger.