Guild Wars 2

So how much of a joke is Bro-ham’s name? I’m not really familiar with Norn naming conventions (there’s so little lore about them), that I’m not sure if this is normal for Norn or did the living world writers just want to make this REALLY obvious?

His name is Braham. Which seems to be an uncommon way of spelling the name “Bram”. Norn first names are typically nordic (though I think “Bram” is more of a English or Dutch name and not a nordic name), while last names (if they have one and not a title) are patronymic or matronymic. For example, “Stegalkin” means the “kin” of Stegal. “Eirsson” means son of Eir.

http://guildwars2roleplay.wikispaces.com/Naming+Conventions#Names for Major Races-Norn

^ Yep, and once Braham builds his legend a bit more (maybe at the end of this arc?) he’ll likely change his last name to something better.

Braham Andcheese?

Braham Saladtosser

Obviously. Cuz he’s going to toss Scarlet down her drill. Vadar style.

We can’t use Saladtosser. More filthy-minded players would have a field day with it. XD

Braham Scarletslayer has a nice ring to it.

Wow thanks guys wasn’t aware that Norn had an established system! Makes a lot more sense now. Haha I’d love to see both Bro-ham (I know it’s actually Braham), and Rox’s surnames change after season 1 of the living story for warband/legend reasons.

@Zaxares: That’s exactly why I jokingly said Saladtosser. Scarletslayer would be far more likely, if it gets changed.

Who knows, maybe for once it will be the PC taking recognition for a non-negative action than some NPC who stood nearby and “helped.”

Heh, right.

We got to be Saviour of Tyria 250 years ago, I guess the dev’s decided that was more than enough?

Braham Baconslayer? Braham Hamhoarder?

Scarlet is defeated. Taimi, Rox and Braham decide to have a victory celebration at Meatoberfest. Braham is testing out Taimi’s gifted ham glazer (a thank you for his help in the Mists inspired by his incessant rambling endearing stories about how much he loves ham), but it’s too complex for him to use (excessive consumption of ale didn’t help), resulting in a fiery explosion near the meat racks . Charred ham rains down from the sky across the Diessa Plateau. The legend of Braham Hamstorm is born.

As much as I enjoy these hammy meat jokes, I think Braham Briarbane has a nicer ring to it.

Braham the Babysitter

I like Aaron’s Triple B version better :P…

Yeah that’s good Aaron! If they don’t use that then they’re crazy.

Zaxares.5419:

Braham Scarletslayer has a nice ring to it.

Remember the “title” is Icelandic in nature: Braham
Scarlet slay: Scarletdrepr.
Bacon lover: Beikonelskhugi.

Another one that has a nice ring to it is Scarletveiðimaðurinn (Scarlet hunter).

zamalek.2154:

Zaxares.5419:

Braham Scarletslayer has a nice ring to it.

Remember the “title” is Icelandic in nature: Braham
Scarlet slay: Scarletdrepr.
Bacon lover: Beikonelskhugi.

Another one that has a nice ring to it is Scarletveiðimaðurinn (Scarlet hunter).

Not really, norns use “english” titles, like Asgeir Dragonrender and Knut Whitebear

Aaron Ansari.1604:

As much as I enjoy these hammy meat jokes, I think Braham Briarbane has a nicer ring to it.

If Braham does eventually forge his own legend and earn a more impressive name I would hope it would have more to do with a personal journey and accomplishment than a team effort he happens to be a part of. If Scarlet gets taken down, it’s going to be a team effort, the players, hopefully the orders, and the other characters are all going to play a role. It’s one thing for Rox to ride the player’s (and hylek and Vigil’s) coat tails with Tequatl, but for Braham to take on the moniker denoting him taking down Scarlet, that wouldn’t feel like a personal achievement worthy of an individual’s legend.

I don’t know the strict rules of norn naming conventions, but it feels like cheating if team work is involved. If during the battle for Lion’s Arch Braham solos Scarlet and takes her down himself, by all means. I think we know that won’t happen. If he earns a name for a role he plays in the final battle (maybe he pulls a River Tam on the Molten Alliance) that would be a different story (and a different name).

I’d rather see Braham have some personal journeys and challenges in season 2 of the Living Story where he earns a name off of personal accomplishments.

Belzebu.3912:

Not really, norns use “english” titles, like Asgeir Dragonrender and Knut Whitebear

I raise you “dottir” and “sson”.

Apparently both are used. Either you must have missed the humor in my post.

zamalek.2154:

Belzebu.3912:

Not really, norns use “english” titles, like Asgeir Dragonrender and Knut Whitebear

I raise you “dottir” and “sson”.

Apparently both are used. Either you must have missed the humor in my post.

I meant "also use english … " and yes, I missed

Shiren.9532:

Aaron Ansari.1604:

As much as I enjoy these hammy meat jokes, I think Braham Briarbane has a nicer ring to it.

If Braham does eventually forge his own legend and earn a more impressive name I would hope it would have more to do with a personal journey and accomplishment than a team effort he happens to be a part of. If Scarlet gets taken down, it’s going to be a team effort, the players, hopefully the orders, and the other characters are all going to play a role. It’s one thing for Rox to ride the player’s (and hylek and Vigil’s) coat tails with Tequatl, but for Braham to take on the moniker denoting him taking down Scarlet, that wouldn’t feel like a personal achievement worthy of an individual’s legend.

I don’t know the strict rules of norn naming conventions, but it feels like cheating if team work is involved. If during the battle for Lion’s Arch Braham solos Scarlet and takes her down himself, by all means. I think we know that won’t happen. If he earns a name for a role he plays in the final battle (maybe he pulls a River Tam on the Molten Alliance) that would be a different story (and a different name).

I’d rather see Braham have some personal journeys and challenges in season 2 of the Living Story where he earns a name off of personal accomplishments.

Don’t forget that Braham is a follower of the spirit of the Wolf, which love teamplay, so it will not be cheated for him to gain legends by a teamwork effort.

So if a group of norn work together and they all take down Scarlet, would they all get the name Briarthorn if it was more impressive than their current legend and they wanted it? Are there any examples in game of norn who achieved something as part of a group but they themselves took on a name because of it?

Eir Stegalkin is part of the group that took down Zhaitan and her totem is the Wolf Spirit so she too should value team play. Do you think it would make sense for Eir to take on the title of Zhaitanslayer? Following the Personal Story, the defeat of Zhaitan has very little to do with Eir (she’s a part of three dungeons and the defeat of Zhaitan is the end result of the allied forces combined efforts – air ships, weapons technology, found artifacts, lieutenants killed, Orrian research etc) but she is part of the final assault. I put more weight into a norn’s name and legend than that. If Eir could that name, wouldn’t all the norn involved in the defeat of Zhaitan claim the name? How does that fit in with your personal legend? As far as I know, the defeat of Zhaitan is the most significant achievement in all of Tyria, claiming that as your personal legend would be more impressive than any other name.

Is a norn’s name so loosely acquired? I thought a norn’s name had more value than that (leaving room for boasting and embellishment or straight up lies). Part of being a good team member means sharing the credit with your team, I would argue that being a follower of wolf Braham is less likely to take on a personal name that takes credit for team work. Even though other members of the team aren’t norn and won’t take on a new name after that accomplishment, what does it say about an individual who’s new name claims credit for something the entire team did?

Norn don’t work in groups. They would have all tried to outdo one another and the one who had somehow killed her the most would take the title.

Also I think their achievement has to be notable – as in other Norn have to acknowledge that what they have done or do is worthy enough of a title.

Norn can work in groups.

Just small groups. And they’d be followers of Wolf.

It isn’t like all norn would be so individualistic that they couldn’t even work with another individual for the same goal.

Of course, but even in a group I imagine they would be trying to best one another. Norn may not be wholly individualistic – their society wouldn’t function if they were – but they do value personal achievement very highly.

Group achievement is still achievement.

I don’t think that they could build Hoelbrak if everyone was trying to do it their own way.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Group achievement is still achievement.

I don’t think that they could build Hoelbrak if everyone was trying to do it their own way.

Yes but norn have no need for armies. We are norn.

The surname probably works like: the Roman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognomen and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnomen.