Guild Wars 2

So, I’m fairly new to this game, and am just starting to understand what’s happening in the lore. Taking note that I haven’t gotten to level 80 yet and haven’t done the Arah dungeon, why does there seem to be so much disappointment with Zhaitan? Also, any idea which Dragon we’ll be going up against next?

The biggest disappointment is the actual showdown with Zhaitan. You just stand at a cannon and press the 2 key to blast him for like five minutes straight.

As for the next Elder Dragon, I am hoping for Jormag and that they get the fight done right this time around.

there are many speculations about who’s next, though my guess would be Jormag, simply because he has the most impact in what we can see of the world, with bubbles (the dsd) a distant second

as for zhaitan… the battle wasn’t exactly as epic as most would like. the last portion can get rather repetitive

The actuall killing of zhaitan is indeed rather easy (though lorewise, the way to do it, it makes much more sense to use those huge laser/cannon/blasters instead of your staff or sword). Anet tried to catch that to make the lead to the battle (story-line from lvl 70 and onwards) a lot bout weaking Zhaitan. But cause you don’t really see him, his threat, atleast for me, is still not as eminent as it should be to really give me that feeling.

It’s like a warior in e.g. the Iraqi war, thats marching to Bagdad to kill Hussain, but never has seen the man nor what he is capable of doing. You do it cause others are saying he is bad and he is building chemical and even nuclear weapons.

A good cameo a few times in game should help to fix this, and maybe a world changing effect. I know maps can be shared and still look individual. So something they did with the lighthouse in Lion’s arch, could be done with a next e.d. e.g. Jormag, flying.

I imagine a personal story that the pact is discussing wich dragon to go after next. The lion’s arch authoirty have given the pact permission to build permanent headquarters in the abbanded arch above the main entrance (above the portal between lion’s arch and gendarran fields). You attend to a meeting where the pact leaders are discussing wich dragon to go next for when the alarm sounds. cutscene: Jormag comes flying in from the north. you get a warning to leave so you do. Trahearne stays behind to gather some important papers. Just when you reach the exit another cutscene : jormag destroy’s the entire arch, killing Trahearne in the progress.

While workers clear the rubble from the entrance to lion’s arch you stand at the mill with the other leaders. They say that it is clear that the next ED to kill will be Jormag. And they ask you to replace Trahearne as the leader.

Cause the arch is just a visual, it will only be gone for you. if you team up with another person who didn’t do it, you will see the broken remains of the arch and he/she will see the full thing

A storyline like I described would help me big time to make the rest of the fight more my own vendetta and story and less one that you do cause others tell you to do it. (And yeah, the death of Trahearne I put into it cause of personal selfish hatred with his character)

Frankenfuhrer.8023:

why does there seem to be so much disappointment with Zhaitan? Also, any idea which Dragon we’ll be going up against next?

The disappointment with Zhaitan is how we kill him. We use environmental weapons that are cannons and shoot at a still target – all Zhaitan does in the final phase (note: this is after half of him gets cut off, and his right wing gets crippled thus unable to fly) is scream at you and spawn weak mobs to distract you. There’s no real challenge after the first phase of the fight with Zhaitan, which itself is just killing a bunch of mobs while Zhaitan from a distance spawns near-instant-kill AoE attacks which are pretty easy to miss happening, while defending an NPC.

As for which dragon is next – it’s still up in the air. Jormag has the most influence and most hints at being next, but unless the other Elder Dragons become active threats, Kralkatorrik is the most reasonable to go after (killing him opens a land passage into Elona) and the DSD is also reasonable to go after (killing him opens sea passage into Cantha and other lands), though few races know about the DSD.

If they’re fought in order of current influence on the world I’d put it at: Jormag→Kralkatorrik→Primordus→Sixth Elder Dragon (possibly named Mordremoth)→Deep sea dragon (name unknown).

If they’re fought in order of current reasons to go after them, I’d put it at:
Kralkatorrik→DSD/Jormag→Primordus/Sixth

With DSD and Jormag being interchangable and Primordus and “Mordremoth” being interchangable in the second set up.

This may all change at the whim of the developers though.

mercury ranique.2170:

And they ask you to replace Trahearne as the leader.

Keep dreaming, pup. That won’t happen. Otherwise you’ll have a million leaders of the Pact.

Changes are, Trahearne will continue to lead the Pact, but give command over fighting the other Elder Dragons to more racial leaders. I expect Sigfast (one of the two leaders of the Wolfborn) to be involved with taking the fight to Jormag, given how he already says he thinks they shouldn’t sit around biding their time (they being the norn), and Knut Whitebear is already training the Wolfborn to combat Jormag.

My theory is that Zhaitan isn’t dead. We never actually see him die. He just plummets out of the sky into the blackness.

Reasons for my theory being backed by these facts and possibilities:

-following the rule of zombies, no real damage is done to Zhaitan’s head. Being a dragon of undeath, one would suspect loss of limb and cannon fire poses only minor threats. Those threats being to his mobility rather than to his life. Lol

-He’s made of other dragons. This leads me to suspect that this isn’t the first time he’s had to “reform” himself after a fight.

-The fate of Palawa Joko is unknown to us. It’s entirely possible that he was made a champion and will thus come to the aid of his master.

I believe (read: hope) that this fight was merely the beginning of something much much better

Kralkatorrik won’t be next because killing him off opens the southern border to Joko’s undead hordes, which are presently occupied fighting him. Next target is going to be Jormag, because he has the most direct impact on the world. The branded are mostly contained to the dragonbrand (courtesy of the vigil/sentinels) while the icebrood are running rampant through the north, corrupting both wildlife and environment.

After Jormag is dealt with it’s anyone’s guess:

• Kralkatorrik – won’t be hard to locate, but his demise takes pressure of Palawa Joko
• Primordus, while underground, is apparently quite mobile and tracking him down in the depths will not prove easy
• Bubbles the DSD – aside from driving a bunch of aquatic creatures to the surface, he hasn’t had much impact on the major races. Killing him would open up a sea route to Cantha, but that doesn’t do much good since the last we heard of that lot was the start of an isolationist policy marked with liberal amounts of genocide.
• The ED behind door #6 is only known to those who count the uncountable, so he’d probably be the last to pursue.

After Jormag is dealt with, between Primordus, Bubbles and Kralkatorrik my money’s on Primordus. Whichever one of them presents the greatest threat is going to be next on the hit list, and Primordus has the benefit of being able to strike without warning with presumably uncountable hordes of destroyers at any point on the surface world.

Though I agree with SpeedFiend’s list I have to warn for too many assumptions. We asume that Primordus stayed underground but we dont really know for sure. Those tunnels go all the way to Cantha, and maybe even further, so he could have come to the surface anywhere. Personally I find it likely he stayed underground, but jsut dont see me fighting him there. Although it does give a nice way of adding a whole subterranial underground like Blackreach (in skyrim) would be cool.

As for Kralkatorrik and Palawa Joko. The fact that Anet did mention him and stated thathe is active and rulling all of elona doesn’t automaticly promote him to have any part of the gw2 story. It is just very likely.

With the Karka event I was under the impression they are pushing ‘Bubbles’ a bit more into the open. But ‘she’ is a bit obscure indeed. Somehow I see her as the only female dragon, and maybe the mother of them all. She’ll be raging to the continent when we cut of the last head of her baby’s as a fiery mother who lost her childs.

ED6. Well I just think the lore writers made an error here. but who knows

Oreoz.2573:

-following the rule of zombies, no real damage is done to Zhaitan’s head. Being a dragon of undeath, one would suspect loss of limb and cannon fire poses only minor threats. Those threats being to his mobility rather than to his life. Lol

In Fort Trinity, there’s a Priory Scholar asking a Vigil Crusader how to kill risen. He states “Decapitation, fire, just about anything that can kill the living kills the dead.” (maybe not in that exact wording though). The standard rules of zombie killing doesn’t matter to Guild Wars undead – or at least the Risen (which aren’t your typical Guild Wars undead anyways!).

The lasers and cannons were also specially modified to be anti-Zhaitan.

Oreoz.2573:

-The fate of Palawa Joko is unknown to us. It’s entirely possible that he was made a champion and will thus come to the aid of his master.

Nope, Joko’s forces are fighting Zhaitan’s (plus Zhaitan never went to Orr):

The Movement of the World

This undead armada has cut off all human contact with Cantha, and the dragon’s undead army wages war even now along the northern Elonian border, preventing all in Tyria from departing for other lands…for now.

SpeedFiend.4521:

Kralkatorrik won’t be next because killing him off opens the southern border to Joko’s undead hordes, which are presently occupied fighting him.

This is actually a common misconception. The dragon that Joko’s forces are fighting is Zhaitan, not Kralkatorrik.

There is never mention of Joko’s undead fighting Kralkatorrik and his forces.

mercury ranique.2170:

We asume that Primordus stayed underground but we dont really know for sure. Those tunnels go all the way to Cantha, and maybe even further, so he could have come to the surface anywhere.

Not to mention that Primordus makes tunnels.

Though he can also spring up at any given moment as well and at any place, given he’s already made Mount Maelstrom, the dwarves keeping him at bay are probably mostly gone by now.

I would not doubt that while the Pact prepares to take on Jormag, Primordus goes and opens volcanos and other kinds of giant fissures across the land, sending destroyers everywhere – from the Maguuma to Orr to Kryta to Ascalon – thus making him the next target.

Primordus has been around the longest, and he’s had plenty of ancient asuran devices to chow down on for magical food, so he’s bound to have the largest and strongest army around. Hell, Kralkatorrik would have plenty of magic to eat in the Crystal Desert too.

mercury ranique.2170:

Somehow I see her as the only female dragon, and maybe the mother of them all.

I can’t see how you get to such an impression, personally.

mercury ranique.2170:

ED6. Well I just think the lore writers made an error here. but who knows

You mean that there’s not supposed to be a sixth Elder Dragon? I disagree. Crucible of Eternity creates heavy allusion to a plant-based Elder Dragon named Mordremoth.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Oreoz.2573:

-following the rule of zombies, no real damage is done to Zhaitan’s head. Being a dragon of undeath, one would suspect loss of limb and cannon fire poses only minor threats. Those threats being to his mobility rather than to his life. Lol

In Fort Trinity, there’s a Priory Scholar asking a Vigil Crusader how to kill risen. He states “Decapitation, fire, just about anything that can kill the living kills the dead.” (maybe not in that exact wording though). The standard rules of zombie killing doesn’t matter to Guild Wars undead – or at least the Risen (which aren’t your typical Guild Wars undead anyways!).

The lasers and cannons were also specially modified to be anti-Zhaitan.

Oreoz.2573:

-The fate of Palawa Joko is unknown to us. It’s entirely possible that he was made a champion and will thus come to the aid of his master.

Nope, Joko’s forces are fighting Zhaitan’s (plus Zhaitan never went to Orr):

The Movement of the World

This undead armada has cut off all human contact with Cantha, and the dragon’s undead army wages war even now along the northern Elonian border, preventing all in Tyria from departing for other lands…for now.

SpeedFiend.4521:

Kralkatorrik won’t be next because killing him off opens the southern border to Joko’s undead hordes, which are presently occupied fighting him.

This is actually a common misconception. The dragon that Joko’s forces are fighting is Zhaitan, not Kralkatorrik.

There is never mention of Joko’s undead fighting Kralkatorrik and his forces.

mercury ranique.2170:

We asume that Primordus stayed underground but we dont really know for sure. Those tunnels go all the way to Cantha, and maybe even further, so he could have come to the surface anywhere.

Not to mention that Primordus makes tunnels.

Though he can also spring up at any given moment as well and at any place, given he’s already made Mount Maelstrom, the dwarves keeping him at bay are probably mostly gone by now.

I would not doubt that while the Pact prepares to take on Jormag, Primordus goes and opens volcanos and other kinds of giant fissures across the land, sending destroyers everywhere – from the Maguuma to Orr to Kryta to Ascalon – thus making him the next target.

Primordus has been around the longest, and he’s had plenty of ancient asuran devices to chow down on for magical food, so he’s bound to have the largest and strongest army around. Hell, Kralkatorrik would have plenty of magic to eat in the Crystal Desert too.

mercury ranique.2170:

Somehow I see her as the only female dragon, and maybe the mother of them all.

I can’t see how you get to such an impression, personally.

mercury ranique.2170:

ED6. Well I just think the lore writers made an error here. but who knows

You mean that there’s not supposed to be a sixth Elder Dragon? I disagree. Crucible of Eternity creates heavy allusion to a plant-based Elder Dragon named Mordremoth.

ah i forgot about that bit of NPC dialogue. I hear it all the time when i start running Balth lol.

I suppose it would be Joko fighting Zhaitan’s hordes given the location of the Bone Palace and The Desolation. That’s all his turf lol

There goes my theory haha

Wow, I actually got A LOT more feedback (helpful feedback too) than I expected.
Personally, I love sea monsters. I always have. Anything that is giant and lives in the water is just really cool in my opinion. That being said, I’d love to see DSD next. But seeing as it seems DSD has the least info given about it atm, I’d say that won’t be happening. Jormag would be cool too. Ice monsters are always cool as well.