just an idea but didn’t destroyers attack glint’s egg/children in the callenge mission in GW1 EotN so does this mean all dragons are opposing forces to each other (destroyers minions of Primordus while glint and her offspring would’ve been minions of Kralkatorrik) or just something else?
it’s a likely theory.
they’re definitely not allies, best case scenario they just ignore each other.
if they are enemies/not allies what do you think their reasoning would be competitors for the same food source (magical artifacts)?
if they are enemies/not allies what do you think their reasoning would be competitors for the same food source (magical artifacts)?
tyria’s a big place. each dragon is doing its own thing, expanding influence where they chose to life.
were they to get in the way of each other, i would guess fighting would ensue.
but the dragons themselves seem pleased enough with staying where they are, it’s the minions that move around, so you’d just see some risen punching some branded.
CoE proves this wrong.
In the submarine path, there are different minions hanging out but they did not attack each other. They focused on the Inquest hiding behind the shield.
Yes but in CoE weren’t these supposed to be manufactured minions under Kudu's control and when he died they sorta went haywire
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CoE proves this wrong.
In the submarine path, there are different minions hanging out but they did not attack each other. They focused on the Inquest hiding behind the shield.
it’s a case of gameplay over story. if they let the minions attack each other, players could just sit out beyond agro reach and watch the mobs kill themselves.
it’s a case of gameplay over story. if they let the minions attack each other, players could just sit out beyond agro reach and watch the mobs kill themselves.
What is wrong with that? It is possible to do that in AC. You can do it with Separatists vs Ascalonian ghosts. There are wargs attackings wargs in Brisban. Wolves attack moas/sheeps/rams/…. Undeads attack everything. The list goes on.
…. Undeads attack everything. The list goes on.
Nothing like seeing a Risen Brute run all the way across a swamp to stomp one single frog.
it’s a case of gameplay over story. if they let the minions attack each other, players could just sit out beyond agro reach and watch the mobs kill themselves.
What is wrong with that? It is possible to do that in AC. You can do it with Separatists vs Ascalonian ghosts. There are wargs attackings wargs in Brisban. Wolves attack moas/sheeps/rams/…. Undeads attack everything. The list goes on.
one is part of the PvE world. it’s called an ecossystem. the second is the unintended result of the AI spawned by a bonus event meeting another AI that was lured far away from its environment.
the third is a specific challenge designed by the devs specifically to test you, in a contained environment. if you could bypass it by just waiting, it would be useless as a challenge, and ANet’s dungeon team would have failed as designers.
…. Undeads attack everything. The list goes on.
Nothing like seeing a Risen Brute run all the way across a swamp to stomp one single frog.
I saw an Ettin run around doing nothing but squashing rabbits in Queensdale the other night. I immediately intervened to save the poor bunnies!
…. Undeads attack everything. The list goes on.
Nothing like seeing a Risen Brute run all the way across a swamp to stomp one single frog.
I saw an Ettin run around doing nothing but squashing rabbits in Queensdale the other night. I immediately intervened to save the poor bunnies!
but ettin likes bunny. bunny smells nice.
It would be pretty cool to face 2 Elder Dragons at one time, and having both battle each other out, while you and the Pact try to take them out too
It would be pretty cool to face 2 Elder Dragons at one time, and having both battle each other out, while you and the Pact try to take them out too
if two EDs were fighting, i can assure you the pact would watch it from a safe distance, then hunt down the one that survived.
It would be pretty cool to face 2 Elder Dragons at one time, and having both battle each other out, while you and the Pact try to take them out too
if two EDs were fighting, i can assure you the pact would watch it from a safe distance, then hunt down the one that survived.
Was picturing more like, the Pact is trying to kill an Elder Dragon, but suddenly a loud roar is heard, and just when the Pact is about to lose (like there’s a cinematic where you’re character is near death sort of), another Elder Dragon swoops in and starts to battle out the other ED because there in their territory or something lol
It would be pretty cool to face 2 Elder Dragons at one time, and having both battle each other out, while you and the Pact try to take them out too
if two EDs were fighting, i can assure you the pact would watch it from a safe distance, then hunt down the one that survived.
Was picturing more like, the Pact is trying to kill an Elder Dragon, but suddenly a loud roar is heard, and just when the Pact is about to lose (like there’s a cinematic where you’re character is near death sort of), another Elder Dragon swoops in and starts to battle out the other ED because there in their territory or something lol
i’m 99.9% sure that the whole pact force in the vincinity (as well as anything that exists) would be wiped out of existence the moment the two dragons clashed.
if you want an idea of the aftermath, look at the desolation, where abbadon and the other 5 gods fought.
It would be pretty cool to face 2 Elder Dragons at one time, and having both battle each other out, while you and the Pact try to take them out too
if two EDs were fighting, i can assure you the pact would watch it from a safe distance, then hunt down the one that survived.
Was picturing more like, the Pact is trying to kill an Elder Dragon, but suddenly a loud roar is heard, and just when the Pact is about to lose (like there’s a cinematic where you’re character is near death sort of), another Elder Dragon swoops in and starts to battle out the other ED because there in their territory or something lol
i’m 99.9% sure that the whole pact force in the vincinity (as well as anything that exists) would be wiped out of existence the moment the two dragons clashed.
if you want an idea of the aftermath, look at the desolation, where abbadon and the other 5 gods fought.
Would be fun though, they could get 2 Dragons down quicker and would (maybe) speed the path to Cantha/Elona
Also, not arguing, but that’s Abbadon vs 5 other deities.
edit: When Zhaitan was weakened to the point that he was in the mercy of your cannon, (I assume) that some Air Ships were completely destroyed, but Arah sure wasn’t. The 2 dragons could just be weakened like Zhaitan.
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^ it was a single dragon. the dragons are described as having power that rivals the gods.
but even if we don’t get a desolation scenario, every pact force (and probably all living things in the vincinity) would be long dead before that fight ended.
the elder dragons are often described as a hurricane.
now picture a hurricane, not unlike the one from a few weeks back. now imagine two of them, on the same spot.
just an idea but didn’t destroyers attack glint’s egg/children in the callenge mission in GW1 EotN so does this mean all dragons are opposing forces to each other (destroyers minions of Primordus while glint and her offspring would’ve been minions of Kralkatorrik) or just something else?
It’s worth pointing out that Glint was freed from Kralkatorrik well before humanity ever set foot in Tyria. So it’s kind of flawed in my opinion to use that as a sign of the dragons fighting each other.
That being said, Anet has implied that the dragons are not at peace with one another and it is very likely they at best tolerate each other, at worst plot against each other.
CoE proves this wrong.
In the submarine path, there are different minions hanging out but they did not attack each other. They focused on the Inquest hiding behind the shield.
Those minions were originally controlled by Kudzu, with his death they had no master. Think back to GW1 necromancers. When a necromancer died, his or her minions would try to kill everything in sight except each other.
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just an idea but didn’t destroyers attack glint’s egg/children in the callenge mission in GW1 EotN so does this mean all dragons are opposing forces to each other (destroyers minions of Primordus while glint and her offspring would’ve been minions of Kralkatorrik) or just something else?
It’s worth pointing out that Glint was freed from Primordius well before humanity ever set foot in Tyria. So it’s kind of flawed in my opinion to use that as a sign of the dragons fighting each other.
That being said, Anet has implied that the dragons are not at peace with one another and it is very likely they at best tolerate each other, at worst plot against each other.
Glint was freed from Kralkatorrik. Glint never had anything to do with Primordus, or the destroyers.
just an idea but didn’t destroyers attack glint’s egg/children in the callenge mission in GW1 EotN so does this mean all dragons are opposing forces to each other (destroyers minions of Primordus while glint and her offspring would’ve been minions of Kralkatorrik) or just something else?
It’s worth pointing out that Glint was freed from Primordius well before humanity ever set foot in Tyria. So it’s kind of flawed in my opinion to use that as a sign of the dragons fighting each other.
That being said, Anet has implied that the dragons are not at peace with one another and it is very likely they at best tolerate each other, at worst plot against each other.
Glint was freed from Kralkatorrik. Glint never had anything to do with Primordus, or the destroyers.
Sorry meant to say Kralkatorrik, fixing it now.
just an idea but didn’t destroyers attack glint’s egg/children in the callenge mission in GW1 EotN so does this mean all dragons are opposing forces to each other (destroyers minions of Primordus while glint and her offspring would’ve been minions of Kralkatorrik) or just something else?
It’s worth pointing out that Glint was freed from Primordius well before humanity ever set foot in Tyria. So it’s kind of flawed in my opinion to use that as a sign of the dragons fighting each other.
That being said, Anet has implied that the dragons are not at peace with one another and it is very likely they at best tolerate each other, at worst plot against each other.
Glint was freed from Kralkatorrik. Glint never had anything to do with Primordus, or the destroyers.
Sorry meant to say Kralkatorrik, fixing it now.
well if you mean kralkatorrik, your argument makes little sense. after all, the destroyers were attacking Glint, who has nothing to do with them. destroyers come from primordus, and not kralk.
unless you’re somehow implying that primordus was lending kralk a helping hand, which i find highly unlikely.
just an idea but didn’t destroyers attack glint’s egg/children in the callenge mission in GW1 EotN so does this mean all dragons are opposing forces to each other (destroyers minions of Primordus while glint and her offspring would’ve been minions of Kralkatorrik) or just something else?
It’s worth pointing out that Glint was freed from Primordius well before humanity ever set foot in Tyria. So it’s kind of flawed in my opinion to use that as a sign of the dragons fighting each other.
That being said, Anet has implied that the dragons are not at peace with one another and it is very likely they at best tolerate each other, at worst plot against each other.
Glint was freed from Kralkatorrik. Glint never had anything to do with Primordus, or the destroyers.
Sorry meant to say Kralkatorrik, fixing it now.
well if you mean kralkatorrik, your argument makes little sense. after all, the destroyers were attacking Glint, who has nothing to do with them. destroyers come from primordus, and not kralk.
unless you’re somehow implying that primordus was lending kralk a helping hand, which i find highly unlikely.
Makes perfect sense to me, I was saying that just because Primordius attacked her children did not automatically mean the elder dragons were enemies since Glint no longer had any allegiance or link to Kralkatorrik. It was more likely the destroyers doing what they do best, destroy.
i took the challenge mission as an assault on glint through her child, also primordius and his minions may not have even known glint had betrayed Kralkatorrik.
Because it was a child of glint’s (baby dragon) that seemed to have been put in that area to be defended (evidenced with dwarven guards all over the place) but from what other than the other dragon’s minions would the baby dragon need protection from ?
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just an idea but didn’t destroyers attack glint’s egg/children in the callenge mission in GW1 EotN so does this mean all dragons are opposing forces to each other (destroyers minions of Primordus while glint and her offspring would’ve been minions of Kralkatorrik) or just something else?
It’s worth pointing out that Glint was freed from Primordius well before humanity ever set foot in Tyria. So it’s kind of flawed in my opinion to use that as a sign of the dragons fighting each other.
That being said, Anet has implied that the dragons are not at peace with one another and it is very likely they at best tolerate each other, at worst plot against each other.
Glint was freed from Kralkatorrik. Glint never had anything to do with Primordus, or the destroyers.
Sorry meant to say Kralkatorrik, fixing it now.
well if you mean kralkatorrik, your argument makes little sense. after all, the destroyers were attacking Glint, who has nothing to do with them. destroyers come from primordus, and not kralk.
unless you’re somehow implying that primordus was lending kralk a helping hand, which i find highly unlikely.
Makes perfect sense to me, I was saying that just because Primordius attacked her children did not automatically mean the elder dragons were enemies since Glint no longer had any allegiance or link to Kralkatorrik. It was more likely the destroyers doing what they do best, destroy.
which is my point. the dragons aren’t allies. they just destroy everything on their path, which includes other dragons and their minions.
just an idea but didn’t destroyers attack glint’s egg/children in the callenge mission in GW1 EotN so does this mean all dragons are opposing forces to each other (destroyers minions of Primordus while glint and her offspring would’ve been minions of Kralkatorrik) or just something else?
It’s worth pointing out that Glint was freed from Primordius well before humanity ever set foot in Tyria. So it’s kind of flawed in my opinion to use that as a sign of the dragons fighting each other.
That being said, Anet has implied that the dragons are not at peace with one another and it is very likely they at best tolerate each other, at worst plot against each other.
Glint was freed from Kralkatorrik. Glint never had anything to do with Primordus, or the destroyers.
Sorry meant to say Kralkatorrik, fixing it now.
well if you mean kralkatorrik, your argument makes little sense. after all, the destroyers were attacking Glint, who has nothing to do with them. destroyers come from primordus, and not kralk.
unless you’re somehow implying that primordus was lending kralk a helping hand, which i find highly unlikely.
Makes perfect sense to me, I was saying that just because Primordius attacked her children did not automatically mean the elder dragons were enemies since Glint no longer had any allegiance or link to Kralkatorrik. It was more likely the destroyers doing what they do best, destroy.
which is my point. the dragons aren’t allies. they just destroy everything on their path, which includes other dragons and their minions.
Which is why I never said I disagreed with you.
well your original post, more specifically the part where you say “So it’s kind of flawed in my opinion to use that as a sign of the dragons fighting each other.” kinda implied that you meant something like an alliance.
well your original post, more specifically the part where you say “So it’s kind of flawed in my opinion to use that as a sign of the dragons fighting each other.” kinda implied that you meant something like an alliance.
No, I meant we can’t really use that as a sign that they are against each other considering Glint no longer has an allegiance and, as we said, the destroyers were just doing what they do best. Note that I also never said anywhere in there that they had an allegiance.
Or maybe Primordius knew Glint was a “good” dragon…
one is part of the PvE world. it’s called an ecossystem. the second is the unintended result of the AI spawned by a bonus event meeting another AI that was lured far away from its environment.
the third is a specific challenge designed by the devs specifically to test you, in a contained environment. if you could bypass it by just waiting, it would be useless as a challenge, and ANet’s dungeon team would have failed as designers.
They could have made it so enemies will only attack player characters. In fact I am fairly certain that they had to add extra code to make them attack each other.
As for failing as designers, it would be a perfect fit for the rest of their dungeon design failures.
Returning to the OP momentarily:
…so does this mean all dragons are opposing forces to each other…
As I understand it, the Elder Dragons are like primal destructive forces. I don’t imagine them working together to destroy Tyria (what would they do then?), nor do I imagine them strictly as enemies trying to destroy each other or compete with each other. I don’t imagine them having such complex plans. It would be more like a volcano erupting in a hurricane, or something – bad for everything else involved. If the dragons are driven to destroy, I don’t think they would hesitate to destroy each other (or each other’s minions) if they got in each other’s way, but I don’t think they’d seek each other out or plot against each other.
Basically, I imagine that if the dragons destroyed all the sentient races of Tyria and their homelands, shattering everything build upon the land since they last went dormant, then they might well turn on each other just out of base instinct, when there was nothing left.
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