Guild Wars 2

Why is the legend of the greatest norn hero who fought the most epic battle with Jormag mono e mono completely forgotten.

For those who don’t know this is the norn who punched out Jormags tooth in single combat. Seeing he couldn’t defeat him he decided to take a Souvenir. the tooth can be seen in Hoelbrak great hall as symbol of Norn undying vengeance against Jormag.

Only time mentioned in game:
“Asgeir Dragonrender. Battle Master, Favored of the Spirits of the Wild, Builder of Hoelbrak. May his legend live forever”.
But the actual legend is never spoken or heard. For norn this is sacrilege refferencing GW2 book 1.

From Wiki:
Asgeir Dragonrender was a norn hero who lived during the rise of Jormag. With the aid of the Spirits of the Wild, he took a tooth from Jormag’s maw and led his people south from the Far Shiverpeaks. He established Hoelbrak, and placed the Fang of the Serpent in the Great Lodge. It is said that before heading south, Asgeir had a powerful scroll with him that the Durmand Priory are now looking for. He is the grandfather of Knut Whitebear, the current owner of Hoelbrak.

How can an epic battle like this never be told. I vote for it to be 4th book. The are going in reverse chronological order anyway.

Nobody beats Jora. Jora is just the cats pyjamas.

perhaps we could see this on a future fractal

I think we will learn more about him when the pact takes on jormag

No one talks about him, because he was taking performance enhancing magics during his fight against Jormag.

He’s the Lance Armstrong of Tyria…

There’s another mention of Aesgir – a Priory charr scholar near the Priory’s Hoelbrak camp. Then there’s another NPC (a norn) near Hrothbeir’s Rest, though he mainly talks about Aesgir’s friend Hrothbeir, he does make mention of Aesgir.

But most of the whole “Norn’s flight south” is focused on the loss of Owl rather than the leadership of Aesgir. Still, he gets more mention than Usoku, and as much as Joko.

Would it be because it is a controversial topic within the Norn?
Some see it as a beacon of hope and that the Norn will eventually be able to take back their old hunting grounds. While others see it as a trophy of a failure?

I remember hearing two female Norn talking about the tooth of Jormag and how it was silly and pointless to bring back a trophy of prey you could not kill. (Paraphrased)
The other Norn replied something along the lines of her Grandmother dying in a fight against Jormag/Jormag’s minions and that it was a much more honorable thing to do.

So even though to everyone else it was seen as a great thing, an Elder Dragon injured by a single man! It is still seen by some as more of a trophy of a failure so is not normally discussed?

I’m all down for more books really! Don’t care that they’re not chronological anymore, good reads anyway! I would love to have more books about the lore that took place between GW1 and GW2, like all previous books have been. I’m a huge Norn fan so yes please!

Asgeir would be a good story to tell I think. What happened when Jormag awoke, the spirits of the wild, the founding of Hoelbrak etc. I think it would be a good read! There are some small stories about this out there, but I would be down reading a book about it! And this comes from someone who despises reading :p

Spoiler alert:

Erukk.1408:

No one talks about him, because he was taking performance enhancing magics during his fight against Jormag.

He’s the Lance Armstrong of Tyria…

I think these magical enhancement will become very popular. He took a Tooth which means he was literally in the jaws of death survived and was able to carry away the tooth and escape Jormags wrath. I agree though that the tooth might have been a symbol of failure so his name might be shunned like Eir was from book 2 when she failed to kill the champion.

Fafnir.5124:

Spoiler alert:

Erukk.1408:

No one talks about him, because he was taking performance enhancing magics during his fight against Jormag.

He’s the Lance Armstrong of Tyria…

I think these magical enhancement will become very popular. He took a Tooth which means he was literally in the jaws of death survived and was able to carry away the tooth and escape Jormags wrath. I agree though that the tooth might have been a symbol of failure so his name might be shunned like Eir was from book 2 when she failed to kill the champion.

Yea then again he did take out a tooth from an Elder Dragon haha. He faced Jormag head on and walked away. Perhaps he failed that he didn’t kill him, but he did lead his people to a new home and founded Hoelbrak. If they didn’t believe in him they wouldn’t have listened and follow him to begin with I reckon.

I think it probably has to do with the deep seated cultural disdain Norn have for “running away”. Despite accomplishing more than most Norn could ever do in their lifetime, Aesgeir could not “defeat” Jormag and was forced to retreat, along with the rest of the Norn, to Hoelbrak and their current lands. Although Aegeir did something no Norn before or since has ever done, the Norn as a whole still view his battle with Jormag as a catastrophic defeat. His story is not something that Norn aspire to, but something to surpass.

Technically, they don’t view running from Jormag as a defeat. This was a stressed point Jeff Grubb made leading up to GW2’s release. They view it as a momentary set-back, refusing to take it as a defeat. Most of them anyways.

I wonder if this isn’t just another case of a Norn boasting about his skill in combat. Sure, they have the tooth. But do we know for certain that he actually knocked it out of Jormag’s jaw? And how? It seems like a very unlikely story.