Guild Wars 2

This….thing sends the Norn and Charr running for the hills like scared rabbits. The Norn, who have been known to stop Charr invasions solo in lore, who wouldn’t retreat from the feet of freakin’ JORMAG until the Spirits told them to, and who were the first race to even dent an Elder Dragon, are running away! As for the Charr, they’re the freakin’ Charr. They don’t run away( but they do employ tactical retreat).
Surely a simple dredge/flame legion alliance couldn’t do this?

There has to be something more (either that, or Anet is trashing Norn lore for this story). And whatever it is, it’s powerful.

You seem to be under misconceptions:

The attack was sudden and brutal – they’re not “running for the hills like scared rabbits” but rather the injured (of which there’s a lot of because it was basically a blitzkrieg attack) are heading out of the battlefield. Furthermore, those being attacked are rangers and individualistic norn – they’re not fighters, on the whole.

The norn didn’t stop charr invasions solo – the norn have been stopping warbands (read: 5-20 individuals per warband). There’s a big difference. It’s even outright stated that if the charr were serious about taking the Shiverpeaks, they would have roflstomped the norn.

The norn knew Jormag was coming since it woke up in the far north – north of where the norn were living. They had time to prepare for him, and they went to meet him at first. Unlike now where the enemy came to them and the norn were unprepared.

As far as we see, and we’re seeing a lot now with those portals and invasions, it is a dredge/Flame Legion attack. The reason why its so effective is because it’s so sudden, and they’re attacking some of the weakest spots.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

You seem to be under misconceptions:

The attack was sudden and brutal – they’re not “running for the hills like scared rabbits” but rather the injured (of which there’s a lot of because it was basically a blitzkrieg attack) are heading out of the battlefield. Furthermore, those being attacked are rangers and individualistic norn – they’re not fighters, on the whole.

The norn didn’t stop charr invasions solo – the norn have been stopping warbands (read: 5-20 individuals per warband). There’s a big difference. It’s even outright stated that if the charr were serious about taking the Shiverpeaks, they would have roflstomped the norn.

The norn knew Jormag was coming since it woke up in the far north – north of where the norn were living. They had time to prepare for him, and they went to meet him at first. Unlike now where the enemy came to them and the norn were unprepared.

As far as we see, and we’re seeing a lot now with those portals and invasions, it is a dredge/Flame Legion attack. The reason why its so effective is because it’s so sudden, and they’re attacking some of the weakest spots.

Whoah, I really did not think of it that way Awesome, thanks for clearing that up

A smart foe is often more threatening than a powerful foe. Because you can’t just go in and fight with pure brute strength against a smart foe – else you’ll get tricked and trapped.

(then again, I’m a massive fan of psychological warfare)

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Furthermore, those being attacked are rangers and individualistic norn – they’re not fighters, on the whole.

Hey! I think you mean ranchers. I mean I know us rangers have a reputation but . . .

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Furthermore, those being attacked are rangers and individualistic norn – they’re not fighters, on the whole.

Hey! I think you mean ranchers. I mean I know us rangers have a reputation but . . .

Hehe…it’s like a pie to the face but in a nicer way

Yeah, ranchers. Silly typo.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Yeah, ranchers. Silly typo.

Hey, it got me laughing

Meh. Before the reveal, I was thinking that it would turn out to be the steam creatures. You know, the ones that woman in Hoelbrak keeps yelling about, yet they’re only fought in Lornar’s Pass?

I was expecting them to suddenly attack out of nowhere using their steam portals and technology, trying to bring and build more forces, to expand and take more land. Maybe even have bigger/newer ones we haven’t seen before, that don’t resemble other creatures?

But it’s just the dredge and Flame Legion, and they’re working together now, oh noes.
I’ve killed plenty of both, and the Triad in Brisban Wildlands still feels like more of a threat.

Still, should wait and see where this story goes. This still has potential, and I’m interested in how they would interact and view each other, and what exactly they’re trying to accomplish by all this.

It wouldn’t really make sense for it to be the Steam creatures. why would they base the Living Story on one of 3 possible options of one of the 5 possible options for a player character?

Before the reveal my guess was Jormag and Primordus being involved somehow (hadn’t found the merchant corpse yet)

I think the antagonist will be a fairly minor force when compared to any of the dragons. I don’t think the Living Story is meant as vertical narrative progression for our characters, ie who is the next super bad guy for us to kungkittenittenkick. Instead it is horizontal narrative progression for Tyria.

If I had to wager, I would bet that the current Living Story focus won’t even require a lvl 80.

It sounds like they’re going into Southsun Cove – that’s a level 80 area. So I wouldn’t be so sure.

_Aside from the Living Story main characters, we’ll also be surprising you with interesting villains, one of whom will become your personal nemesis. Again, no spoilers allowed, so I can’t tell you more than that, but you’ll recognize this sassy character when you see…um, him/her/it. <grin> _

What they said in their blog post.

So, I guess it’s some kind of intelligence that is working behind the scenes. That sound way to sophisticated for a dragon. Also since it’ll be coming back several times (otherwise it wouldn’t be a proper nemesis) I don’t think it’ll be a dredge or flame legion charr, but something that stirs them up, or gave them some power to abuse…

This doesn’t sound too unlikely for the mursaat right? (speculation!!!!) And I’m pretty sure all GW1 players (not only the veterans) will recognize them.

But those who didn’t play GW1 wouldn’t recognize them. Though Lazarus pulling some strings would be a nice ploy – why would he care about causing harm to norn and charr?

Mursaat, by all attributes we’ve seen of them, are vain and selfish. They’re not focused on world destruction or world domination (perhaps) so much as they’re focused on being in a good position and away from danger. Even if it means kitten everyone else to do so – as we’ve seen them do in both Prophecies and during the last ED rise. And Lazarus would be focused on revenge – towards humanity and asuranity.

Nilkemia.8507:

Meh. Before the reveal, I was thinking that it would turn out to be the steam creatures. You know, the ones that woman in Hoelbrak keeps yelling about, yet they’re only fought in Lornar’s Pass?

I am still expecting an event around these steam creatures one day. There’s plenty more months of updates and story potential left in GW2’s lifespan yet! I’ve counted up a number of rather deliberate loose ends left to be developed later.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

You seem to be under misconceptions:

The attack was sudden and brutal – they’re not “running for the hills like scared rabbits” but rather the injured (of which there’s a lot of because it was basically a blitzkrieg attack) are heading out of the battlefield. Furthermore, those being attacked are rangers and individualistic norn – they’re not fighters, on the whole.

The norn didn’t stop charr invasions solo – the norn have been stopping warbands (read: 5-20 individuals per warband). There’s a big difference. It’s even outright stated that if the charr were serious about taking the Shiverpeaks, they would have roflstomped the norn.

The norn knew Jormag was coming since it woke up in the far north – north of where the norn were living. They had time to prepare for him, and they went to meet him at first. Unlike now where the enemy came to them and the norn were unprepared.

As far as we see, and we’re seeing a lot now with those portals and invasions, it is a dredge/Flame Legion attack. The reason why its so effective is because it’s so sudden, and they’re attacking some of the weakest spots.

where is is stated that the charr would out right stomp the norn?

From The Movement of the World.

Although it is certain the Charr could have destroyed the Norn resistance if they but turned their entire army—or even one full legion—to the cause, warbands and smaller raiding parties could not overcome the individual strength of the Norn. These initial skirmishes taught both sides to respect the strength of the other.