Guild Wars 2

As the sword was last seen on the ring of fire, when the animated Rurik was slain.

Unanswered, but Logan claims Rytlock looted it from Ascalon.

Knowing that there are many Ascalonian-made Fiery Dragon Swords made in the design of Sohothin and Magdaer, it wouldn’t be surprising if the sword we saw Rurik wield after Nolani Academy mission was not Sohothin but one of the dups for xyz reason. Given that the names and uniqueness to the swords of Rurik and Adelbern weren’t shown until the pre-GW2 lore articles, it wouldn’t be surprising.

The king could’ve forced Rurik to leave it behind when he left Ascalon for Kryta.

Something like “I disown you, you aren’t worthy of that blade!” or something.

Or, after the ring of fire incident it washed up on the shore somewhere, and later Rytlock came into ownership of it.

I could also buy the heroes running past Rurik’s body on their way out of the volcano and picking it up to preserve it <_<.

One thing that’s strange about Sohothin is that Logan knew on sight that it was Sohothin when he saw Rytlock wielding it. Yes, it’s a legendary sword, but on the other hand we know, as Konig said, that there are many copies of both Sohothin and Magdaer around.

Also – burn, heretic! Burn in the fires of Balthazar!

Agroman.7190:

One thing that’s strange about Sohothin is that Logan knew on sight that it was Sohothin when he saw Rytlock wielding it. Yes, it’s a legendary sword, but on the other hand we know, as Konig said, that there are many copies of both Sohothin and Magdaer around.

Also – burn, heretic! Burn in the fires of Balthazar!

It’s very likely that the two swords are distinctly different then the fiery dragon sword.

Maybe not in basic appearance, but in another way which almost everybody can note.

Wouldn’t want somebody walking around claiming to have the king’s sword when it’s a replica would you? :P.

While in GW1 they looked like any other Fiery Dragon Sword, in GW2 they have unique models, I believe. Rytlock’s sword looks like the original GW1 model while the Fiery Dragon Swords are more detailed and rough; Magdaer has two versions, the one wielded by Adelbern look uses the Jormag’s Breath model (or something very similar to such), while the physical Magdaer looking WAY different – looking like a Dragon’s Deep FDS-styled weapon (which I wish that model of Magdaer was available “Breath of the Dragon’s Deep” or “Zhaitan’s Breath” or something :I).

Rytlock’s sword is the authentic Sohothin.

No one questioned the authenticity of Rytlock’s sword being Sohothin – we’ve known that was the case for quite some time, since devs stated that Rytlock wields Sohothin well before release.

Also, it isn’t a “random blacksmith” but a trusted friend of Eir’s – so likely Beigarth, the most renown (and “best”) norn blacksmith. The dude who reinvented Deldrimor Steel.

I see no reason to assume that Undead Rurik wasn’t wielding Sohothin during the final mission of Prophecies. Its last known location was therefore most likely the Ring of Fire islands, and it must have been taken away from there.

There are two possibilities for this, one of the heroes of Tyria took it or it was “teleported” away like the Scepter of Orr. My characters who played through Prophecies wouldn’t have left it there, but technically only the heroes of Tyria, Mhenlo and his friends had the opportunity to do so, since the player characters from GW1 are not recognized to have existed in GW2 lore (except in the HoM, but that is a different story). I wouldn’t have left the corpse of Rurik there either, but there was a Lich to kill and afterwards one had to run for one’s life, with the volcano erupting.

So either Mhenlo or someone else had already picked it up or Glint saw to it that it got away from the island. The sword could have been given back to Adelbern since he was present in Droknar’s Forge in the aftermath of the final mission, if i remember correctly.

That’s how i imagine it happened, Mhenlo or one of his friends picking it up and returning it to King Adelbern, who took it back to the royal treasury in Ascalon City. He may have handed it out again to someone “worthy”, like Duke Barradin or Devona, to wield it. I assume that Barradin’s ghost would probably wear its ghostly version if it was given to him, but that is not the case.

My bet is Devona, and we do not know where “Devona’s Rest” exactly is, although it doesn’t seem to be in Ascalon. Surely the Charr wouldn’t respect a grave of someone of Devona’s renown, and take Sohothin away. It doesn’t look like Devona fell during the Foefire since she isn’t around as a ghost.

I do not assume that it was Rytlock in person who plundered it, but that he took it from another Charr who fell in combat, and Rytlock claimed the sword. I can’t imagine Rytlock plundering a human grave, no matter what i think about him otherwise.

Frosch.7809:

I see no reason to assume that Undead Rurik wasn’t wielding Sohothin during the final mission of Prophecies. Its last known location was therefore most likely the Ring of Fire islands, and it must have been taken away from there.

Logan saying that the sword was plundered from Ascalon is reason enough to me. Fullproof? No. But support for the possibility.

Frosch.7809:

There are two possibilities for this, one of the heroes of Tyria took it or it was “teleported” away like the Scepter of Orr. My characters who played through Prophecies wouldn’t have left it there, but technically only the heroes of Tyria, Mhenlo and his friends had the opportunity to do so, since the player characters from GW1 are not recognized to have existed in GW2 lore (except in the HoM, but that is a different story). I wouldn’t have left the corpse of Rurik there either, but there was a Lich to kill and afterwards one had to run for one’s life, with the volcano erupting.

The volcano erupting may have been enough to prevent someone from thinking “oh, I should pick up the sword!”

Frosch.7809:

I do not assume that it was Rytlock in person who plundered it, but that he took it from another Charr who fell in combat, and Rytlock claimed the sword. I can’t imagine Rytlock plundering a human grave, no matter what i think about him otherwise.

He plunders human ruins with the PC if you’re a charr with a loyal legionnaire sire.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/In_the_Ruins

Logan might be claiming, that Rytlock stole Sohotin form Ascalon not because of the swords physical location at the moment of thievery, but of what the sword represens.

For examply if English crown jewels were stolen in let’s say Spain, the british people would say they were stolen form England, right?

So maybe that is why Logan says what he says, just my way of thinking. Of course, this means we have no clue where was the sword after Ring of Fire and where it was in fact stolen.

At the end of last Prophecies mission, Scepter of Orr mysteriously vanishes, I heard it’s Glint who hid it. I assume she did the same with Sohothin, although it’s not confirmed

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Frosch.7809:

I see no reason to assume that Undead Rurik wasn’t wielding Sohothin during the final mission of Prophecies. Its last known location was therefore most likely the Ring of Fire islands, and it must have been taken away from there.

Logan saying that the sword was plundered from Ascalon is reason enough to me. Fullproof? No. But support for the possibility.

I think Logan is probably just making an assumption there. Logan isn’t any more likely to have the knowledge of Sohothin’s journey that players do (across the Shiverpeaks, lost at Abaddon’s Mouth, etc.) than he is to know exactly how Rytlock came about Sohothin. And why would Logan know how Rytlock obtained Sohothin? Neither of them were known to each other before, neither were particularly notable, and if the rediscovery of Sohothin in Ascalon was a big deal then someone else would have mentioned it.

I don’t think a single line, devoid of context, is enough to seriously entertain the notion that Rurik’s sword after his exile was “fake” while the real one remained in Ascalon.

Sublimatio.6981:

At the end of last Prophecies mission, Scepter of Orr mysteriously vanishes, I heard it’s Glint who hid it. I assume she did the same with Sohothin, although it’s not confirmed

Livia got it, but “only for a moment” ^^

I don’t see why Logan wouldn’t know that Rurik crossed the Shiverpeaks, when it seems to be common Ascalon Settlement knowledge, and it’s even talked about in the Plaza of Kormir loosely, iirc (as well as King Jalis’ Refuge jp in Snowden by Priory members). The Ring of Fire part, sure, but Rurik dying in the Shiverpeaks sounds as common as Hitler and Eagle Nest – not every tom, kitten, and harry will know but it’s easily accessible knowledge.

There’s also the possibility that Logan isn’t making assumptions, which was my whole point. We cannot simply write him off as “he’s presuming.”

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I don’t see why Logan wouldn’t know that Rurik crossed the Shiverpeaks, when it seems to be common Ascalon Settlement knowledge, and it’s even talked about in the Plaza of Kormir loosely, iirc (as well as King Jalis’ Refuge jp in Snowden by Priory members). The Ring of Fire part, sure, but Rurik dying in the Shiverpeaks sounds as common as Hitler and Eagle Nest – not every tom, kitten, and harry will know but it’s easily accessible knowledge.

There’s also the possibility that Logan isn’t making assumptions, which was my whole point. We cannot simply write him off as “he’s presuming.”

There’s the possibility, sure, but what evidence do you have of that? If he did somehow know, we’d see more evidence of that than a throwaway line. The balance of probability, in my view, was that Logan was either presuming or being hyperbolic there.

Rurik had the real Sohothin on himself when he got banished. Adelbern didnt have or even seen the sword anytime between Rurik’s banishment and Rythlock’s visit to the catacombs with the PC. We know this because Adelbern wouldnt be surprised or confused about Rurik not being the one who wields it if he had any knowledge of the sword being in Ascalon.

Admitedly Adelbern’s sanity is questionable at best, but of all the ghosts of the Foefire, he is the most aware of his own and his kingdoms state. Interesting point though is that he knew of Ruriks death well before the Foefire happened. Im curious as to what did he really expect presuming that its Rurik who returned to the ghost-infested kingdom when he sensed Sohothin…

@Tamias: One individual’s statement is still better than no statement, as far as I see.

@lakdav: Adelbern, at times, believes his son is still alive even though he knew of Rurik’s death since the year it occurred (meaning 18 years of living knowing Rurik was dead), as we see in Ghosts of Ascalon. So I wouldn’t take surprise at seeing what was his son’s sword in the hands of another to be anything special.

While reading Edge of Destiny i was waiting for Logan to ask Rytlock how he got the sword, but he never did. That was conspicuously left out. After their break-up they didn’t see each other till their meeting in LA, so unless Logan asked “offscreen” the only information we got is some statements from Logan, that Rytlock “stole Prince Rurik’s sword” and that he “looted it from Ascalon”. It seems more plausible that Logan does not know how exactly Rytlock got it than that he does since in the available material Logan does not ask and Rytlock does not tell.

One does not hear about Rurik’s “final” death on the Ring of Fire islands in GW2, if i am not mistaken (i know there will be someone who will most likely correct me here if i am wrong). So it will be interesting to hear how Sohothin got back to Ascalon, if Logan’s statement about it is true and it was looted there.

I still assume it was taken from the Ring of Fire islands by one of the heroes of Tyria (before they killed the Lich, in case that is still not clear) and given back to Adelbern. Which would have happened “offscreen”, but no one can blame the writers of Prophecies for not including that in the cutscene back then.

Just recalled something. In one of the charr personal storylines – I believe the Honorable Soldier one, you can ask Rytlock where he got his sword. He pretty much responds with “none of your business”. Reminds me of Braham’s comment in Scarlet’s End. >.>

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Just recalled something. In one of the charr personal storylines – I believe the Honorable Soldier one, you can ask Rytlock where he got his sword. He pretty much responds with “none of your business”. Reminds me of Braham’s comment in Scarlet’s End. >.>

As a proud Ascalonian human, I will one day make it my business to extract that information from him.