How do the heroes resist Jormag's corruption?
First off, Jormag doesn’t do mind corruption. What he does is corrupt the willing – but with the loopholes of forcefully making others willing (what the Dragonspawn tried to do to Destiny’s Edge) or Sons of Svanir not obeying this order of Jormag (what Koda’s Bane does to the Honor’s Voice). The theme for Jormag is to trick/convince/force beings into serving him willingly, then corrupting – but the corruption isn’t necessarily mental.
Destiny’s Edge severing the Dragonspawn’s link to Jormag is unrelated to Jormag’s corruptive abilities or the Dragonspawn’s mental abilities. They were greatly outnumbered and tossing the gray powerstone dust onto the Dragonspawn was a means to make enemy fight enemy to improve their position (and a bit of a dues ex machina like how Destiny’s Edge killed all dragon champions).
The Sons of Svanir – and Koda’s Bane – don’t use any mental influence but directly channel Jormag’s corruptive energies into the victims (which is why the shamans become icebrood over time as well – they’re acting as conduits for bypassing Jormag’s methodology). How they make icebrood is similarly different from the methods of Jormag’s champions.
I don’t recall any corrupted quaggans in the quaggan storyline; but it’s been a while since I did that while paying attention. But why wouldn’t it be able to corrupt many quaggans – it’d be no different than a powerful Branded corrupting others, etc.
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First off, Jormag doesn’t do mind corruption. What he does is corrupt the willing – but with the loopholes of forcefully making others willing (what the Dragonspawn tried to do to Destiny’s Edge) or Sons of Svanir not obeying this order of Jormag (what Koda’s Bane does to the Honor’s Voice). The theme for Jormag is to trick/convince/force beings into serving him willingly, then corrupting – but the corruption isn’t necessarily mental.
Yes it does, we can see various examples of forceful mental corruption. Jormag prefers to lure people to serve it willingly, but it could directly corrupt others.
Destiny’s Edge severing the Dragonspawn’s link to Jormag is unrelated to Jormag’s corruptive abilities or the Dragonspawn’s mental abilities. They were greatly outnumbered and tossing the gray powerstone dust onto the Dragonspawn was a means to make enemy fight enemy to improve their position (and a bit of a dues ex machina like how Destiny’s Edge killed all dragon champions).
Yes it does.
The shaman’s mesmeric mind, which once filled the cavern and drowned out all other minds, suddenly imploded.
The mental onslaught ceased.
Dragonspawn’s mental power was severed.
- Prefering to corrupt willing subjects is not a mental power, it’s a personal preference.
- No, it relates to the hive mind nature of dragon minions and champions. The Dragonspawn had all of its power still after the mental connection to Jormag was severed.
- Power, no. Connection, yes.
What a net did was basically block WiFi connection between a server (Jormag) and a desktop (Dragonspawn). Not the best comparisons but close enough to hopefully get my point across. The Dragonspawn lost 0 power and capabilities, it merely couldn’t communicate with the rest and was thus mistaken as a stranger by the other icebrood – this is why the Dragonsoawn was nearly winning against that horde of icebrood.
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Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
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It can corrupt people forcefully.
The Dragonspawn lost its strongest ability: mental corruption.
also in the quaggan quest
All those corrupted quaggans—one of Jormag’s more powerful lietenants must be involved. This is even bigger than we thought, Baroosh.
Are there any actual proof that it could corrupt people forcefully though? As far as I recall we never had any point of view character that got corrupted therefore we have no real confirmation about if it can force the corruption or not.
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Are there any actual proof that it could corrupt people forcefully though? As far as I recall we never had any point of view character that got corrupted therefore we have no real confirmation about if it can force the corruption or not.
Dragonspawn’s minions
The Quaggans in the Bad Ice storyline
The Voice in HoW dungeon
None of those gives any sort of proof whatsoever that they did not willingly submit to the corruption as far as I am aware.
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None of those gives any sort of proof whatsoever that they did not willingly submit to the corruption as far as I am aware.
Play the game and you will know how did they behave before.
I do play the game, and I have played the Bad Ice instance multiple times. I admit that I have not spent much time in HotW but from what I remember there is also nothing at all in there that proves what you are trying to claim.
You seems to love to claim stuff as facts here on the forums but you usually never supply any actual proof.
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It can corrupt people forcefully.
Define what you refer to by “it”. Do you mean Jormag? Yes. It can. But it does not seem to prefer to – most icebrood show acts of either corrupting corpses or making one vocally want corruption (this could be, as I said, either forced desire (what Dragonspawn did to Zojja), trickery and promises (what Drakkar did to Svanir), or simply the individual’s own will (most Sons of Svanir)).
It can but it doesn’t usually corrupt forcefully. Just like Zhaitan can but doesn’t usually corrupt living beings; or Primordus can but doesn’t usually corrupt lifeforms.
The Dragonspawn lost its strongest ability: mental corruption.
Nope. You need to read/re-read Edge of Destiny. The only thing that happened was that its mental connection to Jormag and the icebrood horde was blocked, causing the icebrood to see it as a stranger and turn on it. As seen in the novel, the Dragonspawn kept all its power and was winning over the hundreds upon hundreds of icebrood that was attacking it – it would have won, in fact, if Snaff and Eir had not stepped in to hinder it (which in turn caused the cave they were in to collapse, and begin a small blizzard).
Are there any actual proof that it could corrupt people forcefully though? As far as I recall we never had any point of view character that got corrupted therefore we have no real confirmation about if it can force the corruption or not.
Dragonspawn’s minions
The Quaggans in the Bad Ice storyline
The Voice in HoW dungeon
Only the Voice was known to be corrupted against their will. And as I’ve said before, the Sons of Svanir bypass Jormag’s preference – Kodan’s Bane was a Son of Svanir, not an icebrood (until the very end that is) and as such does not act to Jormag’s actual will – just his own interpretation of Jormag’s will.
We’ve never saw the Dragonspawn’s minions during or pre corruption. And the quaggans in the Bad Ice storyline – only one of them showed not wanting to be corrupted, and it was sick not corrupted.
None of those gives any sort of proof whatsoever that they did not willingly submit to the corruption as far as I am aware.
Honor’s Voice does deny Jormag up until she’s turned, however as I’ve been saying the Sons of Svanir – such as Kodan’s Bane, Hunstman of Jormag which corrupted the Honor’s Voice – does not adhere to the Elder Dragon’s will and preference, just their interpretation of Jormag’s will and preference. This is why Sons of Svanir will kill any female norn who were corrupted into icebrood – Jormag will corrupt all who seek his power, but the Sons of Svanir will forcefully corrupt or kill some of the corrupted, and Jormag just doesn’t care what the Sons do.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
We don’t know about it. Many of them were turned against their will. It has the power to do so.
I post the quote from the book, it’s clear that the mental power of the Dragonspawn was gone.
Many of them were turned against their will. It has the power to do so.
Source please. Because I looked earlier and there was no such statement in any scenario discussed in this thread except for ONE – Honor’s Voice.
And, again, Honor’s Voice was corrupted by indirect means. And, again, Jormag prefers corrupting the willing – nothing ever said he’s incapable of corrupting the unwilling.
To put it in comparative terms: Jormag is to corrupting the willing as Zhaitan is to corrupting the dead as Primordus is to corrupting stone and lava.
They are capable of more, but 90% of their minions are of a specific make.
I post the quote from the book, it’s clear that the mental power of the Dragonspawn was gone.
Having just re-read the section and all of your posts, you did not. Allow me to quote for you:
“The shaman’s mesmeric mind, which once filled the cavern and drowned out all other minds, suddenly imploded.
The mental onslaught ceased.
Eir and the others could think again.
The Dragonspawn was cut off from every mind in the chamber— cut off even from the mind of its master.
The marching armies faltered. A thousand ice warriors halted. They had obeyed the Dragonspawn because it was the champion of their lord. Now, it was only a terrible, foreign power in their midst. They turned from Eir and her comrades and turned on the Dragonspawn.”
Later on, going for pages, it explains that the Dragonspawn fought back, overpowered the thousand icebrood, and became a blizzard using Jormag’s power. It retained its power, but was merely cut off from entering the minds of others – including its ties to Jormag – as I’ve been saying.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Source please. Because I looked earlier and there was no such statement in any scenario discussed in this thread except for ONE – Honor’s Voice.
And, again, Honor’s Voice was corrupted by indirect means. And, again, Jormag prefers corrupting the willing – nothing ever said he’s incapable of corrupting the unwilling.
To put it in comparative terms: Jormag is to corrupting the willing as Zhaitan is to corrupting the dead as Primordus is to corrupting stone and lava.
They are capable of more, but 90% of their minions are of a specific make.
No, many quggans got corrupted, many animals, who didn’t even know about power were corrupted. Are you saying those quggans in the story turn into icebrood willingly?
Having just re-read the section and all of your posts, you did not. Allow me to quote for you:
“The shaman’s mesmeric mind, which once filled the cavern and drowned out all other minds, suddenly imploded.
The mental onslaught ceased.
Eir and the others could think again.
The Dragonspawn was cut off from every mind in the chamber— cut off even from the mind of its master.
The marching armies faltered. A thousand ice warriors halted. They had obeyed the Dragonspawn because it was the champion of their lord. Now, it was only a terrible, foreign power in their midst. They turned from Eir and her comrades and turned on the Dragonspawn.”Later on, going for pages, it explains that the Dragonspawn fought back, overpowered the thousand icebrood, and became a blizzard using Jormag’s power. It retained its power, but was merely cut off from entering the minds of others – including its ties to Jormag – as I’ve been saying.
It lost the mind affecting power, that is what I’m saying, which countered your early point
Destiny’s Edge severing the Dragonspawn’s link to Jormag is unrelated to Jormag’s corruptive abilities or the Dragonspawn’s mental abilities