How is Kinslaying viewed in Tyria?

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Posted by: spconder.2489

spconder.2489

I wanted to look this up after coming up with an RP concept for my character, but I was stunned that there was almost nothing google could come up with regarding this topic.
How is Kinslaying viewed in Tyria? Can it be justified? Would a Kinslayer be exiled from their home, even if they had good reason? Is it an unforgiveable sin in Tryia? There really seems to be no lore on it as far as I can tell.

Any information would be appreciated.

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Posted by: wouw.5837

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srry, what is a kinslayer?

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Posted by: Gandarel.5091

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If you mean killing your own race, then dude.. killing is against the law if you just go rampage. However, in a war situation, like charr legions vs flame legion charrs, it isn’t.

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Posted by: Aaron Ansari.1604

Aaron Ansari.1604

Kinslayer usually means killing one’s family… I don’t know that it has ever been addressed in Guild Wars, but I imagine it’d be similar to modern feelings on the subject- a particularly treacherous and deceitful murder, unless the relative had done something truly monstrous and needed to be stopped (see Jora and Svanir.)

EDIT: The charr gladium storyline can also pit you against your sire. He was sentenced to execution by arena combat for disobedience, theft, and desertion, and should your character choose to carry out the sentence it is considered respectful and honorable.

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Posted by: Dustfinger.9510

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Kinslaying isn’t as taboo as the dwarves in WH take it. It is just “regular taboo” to most races. So it can be justified under the right circumstances. The Norn however, may accept it for any reason outside of Hoelbreck if that just happens to be your thing.

edit: because all Norn care about is their legend. If the legend you’ve been creating involves kinslaying then that fine by the Norn. They’ll tell your story around the fire and at the moots. just don’t expect tem to roll over and help you with your legend. They have their own legend to make. And someone elses legend may involve slaying as many Norn villains as possible before they die an honorable and violent death.

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Posted by: Narcemus.1348

Narcemus.1348

Biggest example okittenslaying in game… Jora and Svanir.

Svanir became dragon corrupted and went on a rampage killing norn all over. Jora knew it was her duty, as his sister, to stop him. She got our help to track him down and she slew him. The Norn actually look on this legend as exceptional.

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Posted by: Aaron Ansari.1604

Aaron Ansari.1604

They hail Jora as a hero, but they view the whole circumstance as tragic. Killing Svanir was something Jora had to do, but nobody envies her.

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Posted by: Narcemus.1348

Narcemus.1348

I never stated envy, but Kinslaying can be viewed as heroic, at least among the norn, should it be a necessity.

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Posted by: Dustfinger.9510

Dustfinger.9510

Norn don’t really have infamy, which signifies ill-gotten or unwanted fame. Rather their virtue is legend. In A Spirit of Legend, Grimhilde had a legend by other norn. It didn’t matter that her legend was based on “evil” deeds because as far as the other norn cared, she was embodying norn virtues.

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Posted by: Aaron Ansari.1604

Aaron Ansari.1604

My apologies, Dustfinger, but what point are you making?

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Posted by: Dustfinger.9510

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Oh, it’s no problem Aaron. I was just providing a reference to spconder that Norn don’t really have strict compunctions against too many things.

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Posted by: spconder.2489

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Thank you for all the help, everyone!

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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Norn look down on it as dishonorable – for those mentioning Jora and Svanir, you don’t seem to recall Blood Washes Blood, where Jora had lost her honor to her people for killing her brother, and had to regain it by clearing her family’s homestead of invading charr.

That was the view of it before knowing of dragon corruption, even though they knew something happened to him to make him a rampaging murderer.

(Edit: regarding Dustfinger’s quote – killing family would definitely be going against norn virtues, as family and the pack are things highlighted by Owl and Wolf.)

Charr don’t view family all that important, so they would probably see it little different than killing another – it would all depend on the situation. Are they Flame? If so, “good job!” Are they any other kind of criminal? If so, “who cares.” Did you kill him/her because they backtalked you or in a duel challenge? Probably the same. It’s only frowned upon if its cold blood. Most such cases, that’s considered “legal” and not dealing with a criminal or Flame Legion would likely take the bout to the Bane, which is said to host one-on-one duels over arguments. Now, if the one you kill is a warband member… then I iirc, you’d be branded as a coward and traitor, unless you’re killing a traitor and have proof.

Humans probably view it the same as killing anyone else. Asura I’m not really sure of.

Sylvari… well, they’re tough to figure out. I mean, they jail someone for thievery, and exile for killing based on dialogue from The Grove. And “kinslayer” is hard to pin on them since they’re all of the same “family” but they only consider themselves distantly related except in unique cases – usually due to shared DoD experience or the like.

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Posted by: Dustfinger.9510

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(Edit: regarding Dustfinger’s quote – killing family would definitely be going against norn virtues, as family and the pack are things highlighted by Owl and Wolf.)

Norn are so individualized that I imagine they are free to decide who is in their pack.

All Norn don’t follow all the spirits. And they don’t all follow all the spirits the same way.

Followers of Wolf scorn Snow Leopard’s stealth as “cowardice,” and the shamans of Bear have been known to mistrust Raven’s adherents, calling their deceptions dishonorable and weak.

Unlike humans, whose priests are revered for their dedication to one god, all norn feel equally guided and befriended by the spirits. Some norn don’t follow a particular path, preferring instead to revere all the Spirits of the Wild, following each whenever its lessons are relevant in their day-to-day lives. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/A_Spirit_of_Legend

Norn don’t really have infamy, which signifies ill-gotten or unwanted fame. Rather their virtue is legend. In A Spirit of Legend, Grimhilde had a legend by other norn. It didn’t matter that her legend was based on “evil” deeds because as far as the other norn cared, she was embodying norn virtues. http://www.killtenrats.com/2011/03/18/gw2-pax-chat-with-jeff-grubb/

So the virtue of legend takes precedence over any teaching of any one spirit of the wild. Even though they are considered “evil.”

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Posted by: Aaron Ansari.1604

Aaron Ansari.1604

Looking back at the Northern Allies dialogue, it seems that the only person who thought Jora dishonored by killing Svanir was Jora herself. Jora’s opinions held weight with Olaf, even if Blood Washes Blood hadn’t been completed, and Egil says “It’s good to see that Jora can once again become the bear. Now, mayhaps, she may regain her status. There is but one obstacle, one mountain she must yet climb. Her clan homestead is overrun with Charr. No respected Norn would allow the land to be violated by such beasts.”- no mention of Svanir or kinslaying. There was another line- “only tragedy may come from a home built with blood-stained hands”- but that’s a cultural belief/superstition, not an expression of a moral judgement.

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Posted by: Dustfinger.9510

Dustfinger.9510

Ah, so maybe that one obstacle to face was her actually becoming “bear” again by believing enough in herself to drag herself out of the despair and fight again.