Guild Wars 2

I have a Revenant character, how or where do you think
my character learned it from???
do you think all Revenant we made came from the mist?
people who have been to the mist and learned it, same
as Rythlock.

that same goes to other new Professions.

No one knows. Not even Anet. They have tried to coerce Rytlock to spill something about it, but after a year, they still haven’t got the tiniest clue.

All the lore we got is that the revenant used to be a warrior, so we know where they come from technically
There is however not a single source on how they learn this, or since when they learned this ability.
The only know source of revenancy is uncle Trombone’s travel to the mist and returning, and maybe some heroes decided to try the same or did something similar, I dunno, but as long as uncle Trombone stays quiet, it doesn’t make much sense for everyone else to know..

Amaimon.7823:

All the lore we got is that the revenant used to be a warrior, so we know where they come from technically.

1. Not all Revenants were Warriors before becoming Revenants. We know Rytlock was a Warrior but that doesn’t tell us anything in general.

2. We did get somewhat more lore than that: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/hidden-arcana-role-playing-the-revenant/

Diovid.9506:

Amaimon.7823:

All the lore we got is that the revenant used to be a warrior, so we know where they come from technically.

1. Not all Revenants were Warriors before becoming Revenants. We know Rytlock was a Revenant but that doesn’t tell us anything in general.

2. We did get somewhat more lore than that: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/hidden-arcana-role-playing-the-revenant/

I couldn’t find to source so quickly, maybe I’ll get back to it. but I remember from a dev ask and tell video that they did say all revenants used to be warriors who found a new path. maybe some were guardians as a guardian is technically a warrior, too.. but they certainly weren’t elementalists.

Amaimon.7823:

Diovid.9506:

Amaimon.7823:

All the lore we got is that the revenant used to be a warrior, so we know where they come from technically.

1. Not all Revenants were Warriors before becoming Revenants. We know Rytlock was a Revenant but that doesn’t tell us anything in general.

2. We did get somewhat more lore than that: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/hidden-arcana-role-playing-the-revenant/

I couldn’t find to source so quickly, maybe I’ll get back to it. but I remember from a dev ask and tell video that they did say all revenants used to be warriors who found a new path. maybe some were guardians as a guardian is technically a warrior, too.. but they certainly weren’t elementalists.

There is no reason to assume Revenants were any other profession before becoming Revenants.

As the link I posted states:

a brand-new revenant starting on their journey will not have had to visit the Mists or undergo any more of an advanced process to access revenant powers than they would for the other core professions. All that’s necessary to begin training as a revenant is knowledge of the profession, the faith and will to reach into the Mists, and an open mind.

Diovid.9506:

Amaimon.7823:

Diovid.9506:

Amaimon.7823:

All the lore we got is that the revenant used to be a warrior, so we know where they come from technically.

1. Not all Revenants were Warriors before becoming Revenants. We know Rytlock was a Revenant but that doesn’t tell us anything in general.

2. We did get somewhat more lore than that: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/hidden-arcana-role-playing-the-revenant/

I couldn’t find to source so quickly, maybe I’ll get back to it. but I remember from a dev ask and tell video that they did say all revenants used to be warriors who found a new path. maybe some were guardians as a guardian is technically a warrior, too.. but they certainly weren’t elementalists.

There is no reason to assume Revenants were any other profession before becoming Revenants.

As the link I posted states:

a brand-new revenant starting on their journey will not have had to visit the Mists or undergo any more of an advanced process to access revenant powers than they would for the other core professions. All that’s necessary to begin training as a revenant is knowledge of the profession, the faith and will to reach into the Mists, and an open mind.

I’m just saying, I myself am pretty sure of it because I heard a dev say it once in a video.. but that doesn’t make it an infallible truth, I agree on that

I think there was a mention in an interview that lore-wise, most Revenants, including the Pact Commander as a revenant, started off as some other profession, and became a revenant when the teaching became available. I don’t recall them specifying that they were all warriors, though.

That said, I suspect that most revenants come from martial professions such as rangers, thieves, guardians, and warriors, rather than more intellectual professions such as necromancers, mesmers, engineers and elementalists, for two reasons:

First, because these professions already have good martial skills to build on.

Second, because it’s been indicated multiple times that the scholar professions require a lot of training investment to become competent in, and practitioners are hesitant to abandon one discipline in order to adopt another. Engineers have also likely gone to a lot of effort learning their trade that they would be loathe to allow to go to waste.

I suspect that most revenants are former warriors and thieves: they essentially have the least to lose. Warriors, lore-wise if not mechanically, might see adding the powers of legends to their repertoire as a straight-out upgrade. Thieves appear to dabble a bit in mesmer-like magic, but probably not so much that they’d have much regret switching to something else, and a thief that’s focused more on mobility than stealth might well see revenant, particularly Shiro revenant, as a natural progression.

Rangers and guardians both have more to lose: most rangers probably wouldn’t want to give up their connection to nature so easily, and while guardians aren’t as invested in their magic as scholar professions, they’re probably still a bit more hesitant about trading it in for a different model, although a guardian whose faith is in something related to a legend (such as a sylvari guardian following Ventari’s philosophy, or a follower of Glint) might find it to be a natural progression to channel the legend rather than simply having faith in it.

Conversely, elementalists and engineers were probably the least likely to become revenants: not only does each have a significant investment in time spent training in their professions, but (scrappers excepted) neither has much experience with melee martial weapons.

draxynnic.3719:

I think there was a mention in an interview that lore-wise, most Revenants, including the Pact Commander as a revenant, started off as some other profession, and became a revenant when the teaching became available. I don’t recall them specifying that they were all warriors, though.

That said, I suspect that most revenants come from martial professions such as rangers, thieves, guardians, and warriors, rather than more intellectual professions such as necromancers, mesmers, engineers and elementalists, for two reasons:

First, because these professions already have good martial skills to build on.

Second, because it’s been indicated multiple times that the scholar professions require a lot of training investment to become competent in, and practitioners are hesitant to abandon one discipline in order to adopt another. Engineers have also likely gone to a lot of effort learning their trade that they would be loathe to allow to go to waste.

I suspect that most revenants are former warriors and thieves: they essentially have the least to lose. Warriors, lore-wise if not mechanically, might see adding the powers of legends to their repertoire as a straight-out upgrade. Thieves appear to dabble a bit in mesmer-like magic, but probably not so much that they’d have much regret switching to something else, and a thief that’s focused more on mobility than stealth might well see revenant, particularly Shiro revenant, as a natural progression.

Rangers and guardians both have more to lose: most rangers probably wouldn’t want to give up their connection to nature so easily, and while guardians aren’t as invested in their magic as scholar professions, they’re probably still a bit more hesitant about trading it in for a different model, although a guardian whose faith is in something related to a legend (such as a sylvari guardian following Ventari’s philosophy, or a follower of Glint) might find it to be a natural progression to channel the legend rather than simply having faith in it.

Conversely, elementalists and engineers were probably the least likely to become revenants: not only does each have a significant investment in time spent training in their professions, but (scrappers excepted) neither has much experience with melee martial weapons.

In response to the guardian, I don’t think they lose much, either, though.
It’s true that a guardian taps into faith or morale for power, and they need a strong for it to manifest. But in that case, a revenant is actually a good profession, albeit you’d be more of a crusader than a normal revenant.
A sylvari who upholds the Ventari teachings with great respect, might actually make for a very good revenant to channel the teachings of Ventari directly.

For someone who whorships ventari, wouldn’t being able to channel his wisdoms and teachings directly feel like a great honor or duty?

That’s pretty much what I was saying. A guardian who places their faith in Ventari would probably happily become a Ventari revenant. A guardian who places their faith in Glint – a Zephyrite, say – would certainly look closely at becoming a herald, possibly using Jalis as their core legend to honour the Brotherhood of the Dwarves.

Beyond those specific examples, though, it starts getting a bit dicier. Which of the existing legends would a charr guardian have had faith in? Or a norn? Or an asura? In addition to honouring Glint, a human guardian following Kormir might see channeling Shiro and Mallyx as a means of understanding what she went through, but that would be an unusual choice.

Where there isn’t that direct connection between the guardian’s beliefs, however, I think it would be a hard change to make. First, because for many guardians, channeling the legends may actually be something that they feel goes against their beliefs: many humans, for instance, would consider it blasphemous to channel Mallyx or Shiro, while to a charr, channeling ANY legend might be dangerously close to worshiping.

Second, while we don’t know how much training it takes to become a guardian, it does involve some magical training which would be being replaced by revenant powers instead. It’s likely that the powers of a guardian are significant enough that most guardians would be hesitant to give them up and overwrite them with revenant powers.

draxynnic.3719:

Beyond those specific examples, though, it starts getting a bit dicier. Which of the existing legends would a charr guardian have had faith in? Or a norn? Or an asura? In addition to honouring Glint, a human guardian following Kormir might see channeling Shiro and Mallyx as a means of understanding what she went through, but that would be an unusual choice.

I think that the way the revenants are fleshed out isn’t very correct, mostly because it’s a class that taps into morals or reverences. I simply assume that the average revenant only channels the spirits for their knowledge or skills and doesn’t care about the person at all. Like instead of Ventari, the average revenant would’ve just picked the first random soul that could do a good enough job and only due to technical limitations we don’t get a hundred random souls but 4-5 specific ones.

I think human revenants would love to the channel the priests of the six gods, whereas the asura would propably love to channel their genious ansestors. Can you imagine, what asura wouldn’t want to channel Oola or Snaff.
Charr.. to be honest.. I can’t think of anyone but a past Khan they would channel.
Norn is actually pretty easy, the spirits of the wild aren’t dead, yet, but I’m pretty sure the mists are already recording them. If nothing else, they’d channel the dead spirits like Ram and Minotaur

on another note: charr aren’t against the act of worshipping itself as much as they are against the desire to do so. Charr believe in weapons and power. And if worshipping a ‘god’ or creature gives them the power they desire, they will do so. This spawned the Flame Legions in the first place. But at some point they will want to overpower their gods so they can have the power for themselves without needing to worship them. but they don’t worship because they have a sense of duty or religion, but they won’t skip out on it if it’s a trade for power. They’re not beyond worshipping, but they are beyond treating gods with respect. I prefer to call it enduring instead of worshipping

Amaimon.7823:

I think that the way the revenants are fleshed out isn’t very correct, mostly because it’s a class that taps into morals or reverences. I simply assume that the average revenant only channels the spirits for their knowledge or skills and doesn’t care about the person at all. Like instead of Ventari, the average revenant would’ve just picked the first random soul that could do a good enough job and only due to technical limitations we don’t get a hundred random souls but 4-5 specific ones.

I think human revenants would love to the channel the priests of the six gods, whereas the asura would propably love to channel their genious ansestors. Can you imagine, what asura wouldn’t want to channel Oola or Snaff.
Charr.. to be honest.. I can’t think of anyone but a past Khan they would channel.

You may be right, but on the other hand, I don’t think there are likely to be that many revenant legends out there (note that revenant legends are echoes of the legend in the Mists and don’t necessarily contain the soul of the being they reflect).

Becoming a legend seems to require having been at the heart of world-changing events. Ventari shaped the beliefs of an entire race: every sylvari is shaped by the Tablet, whether they follow its teachings or seek to undermine them. Shiro caused the Jade Wind and then brought Cantha to its knees a second time. Glint presided over the Flameseeker Prophecies, and now her legacy is likely to change the world again. Jalis and Mallyx are essentially representing the Great Dwarf and Abaddon, respectively, and all they accomplished for good or ill.

I’m inclined to think that a revenant legend needs to be of that sort of historical impact. Asgeir, or Doric, or Lord Odran, or the Khan-Ur, or Kalla Scorchrazor, or even Bonfaaz Burntfur… they all might count. However, I don’t think Oola or Snaff or a priest – even Desmina or Sara – is going to have had enough of an impact to generate a legend in the Mists for a revenant to tap in to.

on another note: charr aren’t against the act of worshipping itself as much as they are against the desire to do so. Charr believe in weapons and power. And if worshipping a ‘god’ or creature gives them the power they desire, they will do so. This spawned the Flame Legions in the first place. But at some point they will want to overpower their gods so they can have the power for themselves without needing to worship them. but they don’t worship because they have a sense of duty or religion, but they won’t skip out on it if it’s a trade for power. They’re not beyond worshipping, but they are beyond treating gods with respect. I prefer to call it enduring instead of worshipping

Actually, they are against the act of worshiping itself, Flame Legion excepted.

The Flame Legion did make the trade you speak of, but rejecting that sort of trade is exactly what the rebellion was about. The charr realised that worshiping the titans had basically made them into their catspaws, and they decided that they really didn’t like the idea of any being that isn’t a charr having that sort of control over the destiny of the charr, even if they did get power out of it. The current philosophy of the allied charr legions is that no being should be considered to be inherently superior to the charr, and the act of worship is essentially acknowledging that the being you’re worshiping is above you.

Since then, the charr have been regarding any form of religion as being a step down a slippery slope that leads to defection to the Flame Legion. If you go looking around the Black Citadel, in fact, there’s a charr lawyer who’s preparing to defend a char who’s suspected of being a Flame Legion spy simply for suggesting that charr should be able to worship gods if they choose.

Thing is, while a charr revenant might know very well that their relationship with their legend isn’t actually worship, from the perspective of a charr who hasn’t actually experienced that relationship there may not be a lot of difference between receiving power from a legend and receiving it from a titan. I suspect we’ll see more about what the charr attitude towards revenants actually is at Rytlock’s court-martial.

draxynnic.3719:

Thing is, while a charr revenant might know very well that their relationship with their legend isn’t actually worship, from the perspective of a charr who hasn’t actually experienced that relationship there may not be a lot of difference between receiving power from a legend and receiving it from a titan. I suspect we’ll see more about what the charr attitude towards revenants actually is at Rytlock’s court-martial.

Fair nuff.

TBH, I am looking forward to whatever they’re gonna do with Rytlock Although I may not survive long enough to see that part of the story happen, a man can only grow so old. Come to think of it, he channels Glint, doesn’t he?