Guild Wars 2

So 3 years ago I made my character “Jake Von Loch”, a human guardian… Blessed by Grenth. To this date I don’t know what was wrong with me when I chose to let my guardian be blessed by the god of darkness, death and ice. Instead what would be more logical was Dwayna.
To this very day it annoys me that I made this decision and I can’t seem to wrap my head around the fact that a guardian can be blessed by Grenth.
The fact that this is possible in character creation must suggest that it’s possible for a class which is into supporting and healing, be blessed by a god of death within the lore. But then my question is, how?
How is this supposed to make sense? Because it really doesn’t to me. So why does Arenanet have it as an option?
Could anyone come up with some loophole in the lore that a guardian can be blessed by grenth or e.g. a necromancer blessed by dwayna or a warrior blessed by Lyssa.
It would definitely make me feel a lot better when my character actually fits into the lore and doesn’t have this weird twist to him that makes him impossible to be a realistic character.

Thanks in advance,

-Dib

The blessing of a god do not define the personnality of someone.
Also, it do not make an human a priest of this deity.
Guardian just means he use its will to channel magical energies.

Finally, Grenth is the son of Dwayna and a mortal.
Grenth just guard the (human) souls of the dead.
He’s not evil. He do not want every human battered in blood.

Like said just before.

Grenth is the son of Dwayna and Malchor, a half human. He only took Dhuums powers after overthrowing him.

Guardians use willpower, they aren’t priests. So if their faith is strong enough I don’t see why it wouldn’t make sense.

Also the god you chose is never once mentioned anywhere, shown at all, and doesn’t make an impact at all….soooooo

If I remember correctly, it’s use for character racial shouts. “For _insert god name_ !”

Each of the Six might be patron gods of certain classes, or certain aspects of the classes, but their blessings are open to anyone that wishes it.

Guardians might be blessed by Grenth for their sense of justice.
Necromancers might be blessed by Dwayna for their strive to protect the weak.
Warriors might be blessed by Lyssa for the artistry and elegance in which they do battle.

vanderwolf.7084:

Grenth is the son of Dwayna and Malchor, a half human.

Technically, Grenth’s father was never confirmed. We don’t even have confirmation his father is human. Just a “mortal sculptor”.

Mind you, the chances of it being Malchor is pretty much 99.99999% likely. But it’s not confirmed, so there’s always the chance Anet throws us a curve ball and says his father is a mursaat, forgotten, or even dwarf.

vanderwolf.7084:

Also the god you chose is never once mentioned anywhere, shown at all, and doesn’t make an impact at all….soooooo

Kulvar.1239:

If I remember correctly, it’s use for character racial shouts. “For _insert god name_ !”

It alters the dialogue of a specific priest/priestess in Queensdale.

That’s all.

Erukk.1408:

Each of the Six might be patron gods of certain classes, or certain aspects of the classes, but their blessings are open to anyone that wishes it.

Guardians might be blessed by Grenth for their sense of justice.
Necromancers might be blessed by Dwayna for their strive to protect the weak.
Warriors might be blessed by Lyssa for the artistry and elegance in which they do battle.

Best way to look at it.

A profession might have a patron god, but that’s not a restriction nor rule – more of a guideline.

Necromancers who find Grenth to be “too gloomy” to worship do exist.

First of all, thanks for the insanely quick replies, really appreciated! And there are some very good ideas out there already, thanks a bunch!

Konig Des Todes.2086:

It alters the dialogue of a specific priest/priestess in Queensdale.

That’s all.

Actually, there’s one more thing to it. After doing the first few personal story quests, you get a named priest in Salma District that is determined by which god you chose.

Sadly, these don’t have any real dialogue, but at least some unique greeting dialogue if you try to speak with them.

I have never seen my supposed Priest of Balthazar in my ranger’s home instance, if that’s truly the case.

There are always some priests of Dwayna and Kormir in the home instance, however, regardless of progression.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I have never seen my supposed Priest of Balthazar in my ranger’s home instance, if that’s truly the case.

There are always some priests of Dwayna and Kormir in the home instance, however, regardless of progression.

Unfortunately I was unable to obtain a picture of Kormir’s priest on the basis that Kormir is the patron god of Thieves and I have no Human Thieves.

Huh. Never seen such priests before. Makes me wonder if they were originally intended to be part of the personal story chapters like the charr sparring partner.

And… “Kormir is the patron god of thieves”? Where did you ever get that. Thieves derive from assassins and the patron gods of assassins were Lyssa and Grenth.

It was just a joke referring to how many people used to call Kormir a thief for the way that Nightfall panned out.

Because the guardian is NOT a paladin of good and justice and righteousness. There are bandit/separatist guardians out there.

If you really wanted to make that little bit of character selection matter to you (because really, it’s a little bit of fluffy and has zero REAL impact on anything in terms of gameplay), as somebody else said, go the justice route since that is part of Grenth’s domain.

Grenth is NOT an evil person/god. I’ve seen warriors dedicated to him (player RP characters). Heck, remember the fact that GRENTH was the one who brought forth resurrection (alongside undead), where Dhuum banned all of that.

In terms of RPing your character, much of the character creation questions don’t even apply to the bulk of characters. It assumes everybody is from DR and has rarely, if ever, set foot outside of it. It puts you directly into three setups, instead of the huge variety we could find. It’s nice, but at the same time, nobody else can see that you chose to be blessed by grenth or that your character was a commoner or noble or such.

Kalavier.1097:

Because the guardian is NOT a paladin of good and justice and righteousness. There are bandit/separatist guardians out there.

Well, at least in case of separatists, they can still perfectly believe that what they do is good, just and righteous. Faith is often enough about fanaticism, and what are the separatists if not racist Ascalonian fanatics? They are certainly not to be compared with Krytan bandits.

And I can’t remember any bandit guardians from the back of my head. Correct me if I’m wrong.

But I agree with your point. The whole “guardian = paladin” thing that people keep bringing up really gets to my nerve. Of course, the profession is themed around very similar things, but it’s not the same thing. There are some perfectly fine options for guardians who are not stereotypical guys in bright, super-heavy plate armor wielding a sword and shield. The dragonhunter is only one example – personally, I like to think of a more officer-style elegant guardian in a 17./18. century military coat. A friend of mine role-plays a guardian of this sort, and actually, if I remember correctly, Osh Moran in Sea of Sorrows was described in a fashion similar to this, being a navy captain.

There’s a bandit champion in one of the Caudecus Manor explorables who is very obviously a guardian – spirit weapons, symbols, and all.

My inclination is partially what’s been said before: Grenth is a god of justice among with the other stuff, and justice is an important connection with the guardians as well.

Another connection you could make is that the guardian has been confirmed to have some elements of the ritualist (in Sea of Sorrows) which was a profession sponsored by Grenth. The revenant probably draws more from the ritualist than the guardian does, but one could imagine a guardian invoking Grenth for the more ritualist-esque aspects. You could also see a guardian taking their inspiration from protecting the living from the restless dead (or putting the restless dead to rest) and therefor they might invoke Grenth to protect them against the dead or even see themselves as enforcers of Grenth. This attitude would work particularly well for the initial personal story against Zhaitan, given that the Risen were the main threat and the time and the grudge that Grenth (or at least, one of his Reapers) turned out to have against Zhaitan for stealing souls back from the Underworld.

draxynnic.3719:

There’s a bandit champion in one of the Caudecus Manor explorables who is very obviously a guardian – spirit weapons, symbols, and all.

Wasn’t she one of the separatists hidden around the manor? I’m not sure if I remember correctly.

Grenth is the god of justice.
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I finally found out why I chose Grenth: “Grenth is the god of darkness ice and death. His acolytes know that the world between worlds is thin. Death does not frighten me. Even the darkest nights comfort me because Grenth watches over me.”
It just appealed a lot to me and suited me well. “Death does not frighten me.” And at the time I felt it was a bit simple to just pick the godess of healing and life because I played guardian.

Can you guys give me a link where it is mentioned that Grenth is a god of justice? Can’t seem to find it on any of the wikis.

I do like the idea that Grenth isn’t this super anti healing person etc. Because he actually was the one who allowed us to resurrect.

Dibbelocher.2318:

Can you guys give me a link where it is mentioned that Grenth is a god of justice? Can’t seem to find it on any of the wikis.

He isn’t. He’s the god of judgement. Similar but different. Beyond the Quiz Terminals from a broken event in Malchor’s Leap I don’t think there’s anything that actually calls him that, but he’s repeatedly called the judge of the dead and a just god of death.

The connection between Grenth and justice mostly comes from Grenth being the judge of the dead. “Bringing Grenth’s justice” is also a fairly common motivation for worshippers of Grenth, and one of the distinctions between Grenth and Dhuum was that Grenth treated the dead with justice (as opposed to Dhuum, who apparently simply consumed the souls of the dead). For that matter, if I recall correctly, one of the other distinctions between Grenth and your stereotypical death god is that Grenth disapproves of unjust deaths, and followers of Grenth will act to prevent those.

Off the top off my head, I can’t ecall if Grenth has been described directly as ‘the god of justice’ – it’s rare if it happens, like Dwayna being describes as the goddess of light and warmth. It’s possibly in the GW1 Wintersday quotes somewhere – I might chase it up when I have time (which isn’t RFN).

EDIT: Heh, looks like Konig beat me to it.

In the Winds of Change arch, IIRC, you could repeatedly find Ministry of Purity forces yelling stuff about “Sending you to grenth’s justice/judgement” when fighting the gangs.

Olias, the necromancer hero (I think I got the name right) that you recruit from lion’s arch, was also all about bringing justice to a group of white mantle who were slaughtering krytans on the bloodstone.

So he kinda is, but it’s more of the dead then the living. I THINK I’ve heard Kormir being mentioned in the “trial of zamon” mission, which could mean she is treated as justice for the living, and grenth the dead?

Kalavier.1097:

In the Winds of Change arch, IIRC, you could repeatedly find Ministry of Purity forces yelling stuff about “Sending you to grenth’s justice/judgement” when fighting the gangs.

Olias, the necromancer hero (I think I got the name right) that you recruit from lion’s arch, was also all about bringing justice to a group of white mantle who were slaughtering krytans on the bloodstone.

So he kinda is, but it’s more of the dead then the living. I THINK I’ve heard Kormir being mentioned in the “trial of zamon” mission, which could mean she is treated as justice for the living, and grenth the dead?

Well, Kormir is the God of Truth. As such, it makes a certain amount of sense to invoke her name during a trial.

It’s worth noting that the stock human NPC line when referring to Grenth is “May Grenth shield you.” Meaning Grenth has some protective qualities, or at least viewed on some level as a protective entity by some humans- which you could definitely work in for a guardian!

Xase.5064:

It’s worth noting that the stock human NPC line when referring to Grenth is “May Grenth shield you.” Meaning Grenth has some protective qualities, or at least viewed on some level as a protective entity by some humans- which you could definitely work in for a guardian!

IIRC, the seventh reaper you encounter in a story mission in Orr bids farewell saying something like

“I will(or grenth) will be with you, in every swing of your enemies blade.”

Grenth guards the afterlife, making sure restless spirits can pass on, people get proper burial rites, etc… all seem like very good guardian qualities.