I am Mordremoth
Well a couple of important unresolved issues there. Firstly why is the Pale Tree completely and utter unlike any and all other champions that we’ve seen up until now. Well I guess she resembles Glint in a way, but was she also purified in some way? Was it the forgotten? Judging by the backpiece is seems possible to purify Modrem through non-ancient-forgotten-magic, but somehow I don’t see ventari farming all that fox-fire…
Secondly, do Elder Dragons have the capacity to care about anything even their own servants? Oh sure Kalky showed us they can hate their ex-servants, but would Mordy care about whether the Pale Tree is lost or not.
The reason for the Pale Tree’s current state of not being a brainwashed servant is the main problem of Darc’s arguments about Mordremoth, and something he doesn’t seem to understand despite the various ways I try to word it.
As to Mawdrey – we toss him a LOT of oddities. Including Foefire magic, which it should be noted not only did Foefire ghosts remain unaffected to Kralkatorrik’s corruption, but Foefire ghosts’ “Ghostfire” is exceptionally powerful against risen. Not too dissimilar to how the divine fire reacts to Mordrem. There’s also the cleansing waters of the Maguuma used, direct ley line magic, and chaos magic from the Thaumanova explosion (which itself is a mixture of chaos and dragon magics). And let’s not forget that we used the Heart of a Destroyer.
Basically, we fed Mawdrey a Subject Alpha and Foefire magic that was steeped in pure, raw, ley line magic.
It wouldn’t be surprising if that resulted in something akin to Kudu’s Monster – if Kudu told the truth, he had control over it.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
We don’t know how the tree was freed from Mordy’s control, we only know that she was freed. There is evidence to support three theories. First, Ventari could have inadvertently purified the tree. The evidence for this is the extreme revenance that the Pale Tree holds for Ventari’s tablet. Another possibility is that it is due to a localized phenomenon. The evidence for this is the white hart, which also shares the dream. The third possibility is a combination of the two prior theories that is the localized phenomenon and Ventari’s efforts combined to purify the tree.
The reason for the Pale Tree’s current state of not being a brainwashed servant is the main problem of Darc’s arguments about Mordremoth, and something he doesn’t seem to understand despite the various ways I try to word it.
As to Mawdrey – we toss him a LOT of oddities. Including Foefire magic, which it should be noted not only did Foefire ghosts remain unaffected to Kralkatorrik’s corruption, but Foefire ghosts’ “Ghostfire” is exceptionally powerful against risen. Not too dissimilar to how the divine fire reacts to Mordrem. There’s also the cleansing waters of the Maguuma used, direct ley line magic, and chaos magic from the Thaumanova explosion (which itself is a mixture of chaos and dragon magics). And let’s not forget that we used the Heart of a Destroyer.
Basically, we fed Mawdrey a Subject Alpha and Foefire magic that was steeped in pure, raw, ley line magic.
It wouldn’t be surprising if that resulted in something akin to Kudu’s Monster – if Kudu told the truth, he had control over it.
There’s no problem here. The tree is obviously free from Mordy’s control.
Couldn’t we say that the pale tree has a separate non brain washed consciousness from Mordremoth because Ronan and Ventari had such a close connection with the pale tree when it was growing that eventually the Pale tree developed a more “Human” consciousness separate from the Dragon, and therefore the Sylvari are not directly connected to the Dragon like the other Mordrem are?
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Couldn’t we say that the pale tree has a separate non brain washed consciousness from Mordremoth because Ronan and Ventari had such a close connection with the pale tree when it was growing that eventually the Pale tree developed a more “Human” consciousness separate from the Dragon, and therefore the Sylvari are not directly connected to the Dragon like the other Mordrem are?
It’s possible, but we really don’t know the reason why it separated. I suspect the matter will be explained in HoT.
I suspect we’ll never actually physically see Mordy. I think he’s buried underground and remain there. To me, it looks like he corrupts through dreams.
Queue “Enter Sandman”
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We don’t know how the tree was freed from Mordy’s control, we only know that she was freed. There is evidence to support three theories. First, Ventari could have inadvertently purified the tree. The evidence for this is the extreme revenance that the Pale Tree holds for Ventari’s tablet. Another possibility is that it is due to a localized phenomenon. The evidence for this is the white hart, which also shares the dream. The third possibility is a combination of the two prior theories that is the localized phenomenon and Ventari’s efforts combined to purify the tree.
The fourth possibility being that the cave was full of purified dragon minions who only needed to be raised with the right mindset.
The second is a bit false, in that nothing says the Dream is locational. Especially since Orr exists within the Dream just as the Tarnished Coast does.
There’s no problem here. The tree is obviously free from Mordy’s control.
The problem lies in the question of why the Pale Tree is free from Mordremoth’s control.
Which, as I said, you seem to avoid the possibility that she was freed before Ronan and Ventari interacted with her. In that the seed was freed.
Couldn’t we say that the pale tree has a separate non brain washed consciousness from Mordremoth because Ronan and Ventari had such a close connection with the pale tree when it was growing that eventually the Pale tree developed a more “Human” consciousness separate from the Dragon, and therefore the Sylvari are not directly connected to the Dragon like the other Mordrem are?
The chances of such are highly unlikely, in all honesty.
Dragon corruption has shown itself to be a brainwashing action in which reversal is nearly impossible. Even with Glint and the Forgotten ritual, all that was done was instilling free will. Dragon minions are literally mental slaves to their dragon.
There’s no reason mordrem would be any different.
And going off of Glint, as well as the risen chicken, you need effectively two things: First to introduce free will (remove the enslavement/brainwashing), second to convince the subject to turn against their dragon. With the chicken, being a mindless grunt and a basic wildlife, such was obviously simple. But with Glint she says she killed countless before she decided to turn against Kralkatorrik – indicating that after using the ritual she still worked for Kralkatorrik.
Mawdrey and the Pale Tree would no doubt be similar – you could free them… but they’d also require convincing to fight against the dragons. For the Pale Tree, this no doubt was Ronan and Ventari’s actions. But even then – there’s still the matter of freeing from the brainwashing which has shown to be a core part of the Elder Dragons’ method of making minions – even for Mordremoth.
This is also why the unhatched dragon egg could be a danger if raised in the wrong hands – it could be raised by the elder dragons to serve them, it could be raised by the Inquest to become a powerhouse for them, White Mantle could raise it and have it worship the mursaat and vow the destruction of Kryta, etc. etc.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Couldn’t we say that the pale tree has a separate non brain washed consciousness from Mordremoth because Ronan and Ventari had such a close connection with the pale tree when it was growing that eventually the Pale tree developed a more “Human” consciousness separate from the Dragon, and therefore the Sylvari are not directly connected to the Dragon like the other Mordrem are?
Glint was only able to develop a ‘human’ consciousness after she was freed from Kralky (also she is telepathic, being able to read peoples minds is a good way of developing a people-like mind I guess https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hidden_Arcana). It seems to me at least that as long as a minion is a minion they can’t simply break free of their own free will.
The second is a bit false, in that nothing says the Dream is locational. Especially since Orr exists within the Dream just as the Tarnished Coast does.
The concept of the Dream of Dreams is very ill defined and nebulous. I’d say it at times looks very much like the Mists (as seen when the Pale Tree gives us a vision trip into the future), but then also acts very much like a sort of prophetic-hive-mind-memory-storage-location. So it could be anything, and work in anyway.
I really wish ANet would give us a bit of information about the Dream of Dreams. Would love to know how and if it relates to the Mists.
This is also why the unhatched dragon egg could be a danger if raised in the wrong hands – it could be raised by the elder dragons to serve them, it could be raised by the Inquest to become a powerhouse for them, White Mantle could raise it and have it worship the mursaat and vow the destruction of Kryta, etc. etc.
So much narrative potential there.
Not sure if an ED would take care of the hatchling. Well the mechanism of ED-ness isn’t well known, we assume that Tequatl was becoming an ED with the absence of Zhaitan. If that is the case it seems likely that an ED could easily promote any of their minions to ED level (or maybe Tequatl is unique since he / she seems to be a dragon-dragon and not a dragon-shaped minion in the same way that Glint appeared to be a dragon-dragon and not a dragon-shaped-minion).