If the commander would have
“I” wouldn’t have charged into enemy territory and shouted “fire” at a random bit of the jungle with no plan.
“I” may have even spotted the big smoky effect over Dragon Stand and fired on that area instead.
Maybe many things could have happened and we may not have won, however I imagine The Pact would be in a better shape right now.
Whilst it was Trahearnes fault the first attempt failed so miserably in that prologue cutscene, it was poor writing what occured since he is actually an intelligent NPC. Even without military training, what he did was stupidity and out of character to what he should have done.
Intelligent maybe but the reason he even won against Zaitan was because his second in command did all the work what was he even thinking in attacking a elder dragon without all of his commanders especially the best one.
I think the idea they were trying to portray was “these forests are full of mordrem, they could even tell from the sky, so before assaulting the Elder Dragon itself they need to wipe out its encroaching minions.”
It would have been better if it showed some marching mordrem – like we see on the southeastern edge of Tangled Depths – through the trees in that cinematic.
It wasn’t so much a case of “Trahearne ordered fire on the jungle at random” but “Trahearne ordered fire on mordrem hiding in the jungle at random.”
Even with the fleet against Zhaitan, they couldn’t just fly over all of Orr. While there was no swarm of dragons in the skies above the magus falls, it would be foolish to wade directly over the powerful enemy without destroying its forces along the way.
Further, in S2, Trahearne explicitly states that he wants to stem the minion-making before assaulting Mordremoth, as now would be the time to do so, when he still has so few minions made. If Trahearne’s plans had succeeded, the blighting trees in Verdant Brink and Auric Basin would have crumbled down before moving on to Dragon’s Stand.
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Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Also the fact that the Entire fleet has an insane amount of firepower.
However, fighting Mordrem and Mordremoth is not the same as risen and Zhaitan.
Lets face it, this whole fiasco is the fault of the Pale Tree. She should have informed Trahearne, at the very least, the moment Mordremoth stirred. Precautions should have been taken accordingly.
Joy to the world, ignorance is bliss
Lets face it, this whole fiasco is the fault of the Pale Tree. She should have informed Trahearne, at the very least, the moment Mordremoth stirred. Precautions should have been taken accordingly.
Yeah, just a little note in his lunch box ‘Good luck with killing an Elder Dragon. Oh btw we’re Dragon Minions, and specifically Mordremoth’s. XOXO say hello to your Grandfather for me’
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So if the commander was there could he have defeated Mordremoth?
Also the fact that the Entire fleet has an insane amount of firepower.
However, fighting Mordrem and Mordremoth is not the same as risen and Zhaitan.
Actually, we don’t see those huge thorns coming off from the ground to wipe our land troops during the assault in DS, so it’s just plot device.
If Zhaitan ever bothered to fight by himself before Arah, the fleet would also suffer badly. Which was different in Mordremoth’ case. The fleet failed because the dragon fought us directly, it has little to do with the Mordrem other than Sylvari betrayal.
They shouldn’t try air assault at all, bring enough explosives and fire to burn down of the jungle, no doubt Mordremoth would be greatly weakened.
Would the pact have won the first time. Commander I mean the player character instead of Traherne.
I am saying this because the Commander is as strong as a elder dragon champion well stronger actually since he killed one 1 vs 1 so could he have managed?
The commander is not as strong as an elder dragon.
You do NOT have to be an equal to defeat somebody. And Dragon champion strength varies greatly. I would never say the legendary Eye of Zhaitan is equal to Tequatl.
Also the fact that the Entire fleet has an insane amount of firepower.
However, fighting Mordrem and Mordremoth is not the same as risen and Zhaitan.
Actually, we don’t see those huge thorns coming off from the ground to wipe our land troops during the assault in DS, so it’s just plot device.
Haven’t done Dragon’s Stand, but maybe ground forces just are harder to smash aside then completely open and exposed airships? Still, nobody saw the sudden attack coming (Oh, and since Mordremoth shows an obvious interest in corpses, I doubt he’d use vines to completely mush up the force and leave no bodies), so having the commander in charge wouldn’t have magically saved the Pact Fleet.
They shouldn’t try air assault at all, bring enough explosives and fire to burn down of the jungle, no doubt Mordremoth would be greatly weakened.
And how would you get those explosives and fire into the jungle? As far as the Pact knew up to that point, Air was an area where Mordremoth couldn’t hit them. Land convoys were at far greater risk.
And how would you get those explosives and fire into the jungle? As far as the Pact knew up to that point, Air was an area where Mordremoth couldn’t hit them. Land convoys were at far greater risk.
Bring enough oil or similar stuff and burn everything.
You can have the air strike, but at the same time the land forces has to carry on as well.
And how would you get those explosives and fire into the jungle? As far as the Pact knew up to that point, Air was an area where Mordremoth couldn’t hit them. Land convoys were at far greater risk.
Bring enough oil or similar stuff and burn everything.
You can have the air strike, but at the same time the land forces has to carry on as well.
Scorched Earth tactics work when you know where the enemy is, or don’t care at all about the landscape. I somehow don’t see the Pact literally burning down the entire maguuma jungle.
Still, the point remains, Before that moment, the Mordrem showed a serious lack of any air power. Nobody expected the vines to rip the ships apart. From dialogue in the Pale Reaver event chain, it seems the one heli unit didn’t even expect or know about Wyverns until said Wyverns demolished their aircraft.
And how would you get those explosives and fire into the jungle? As far as the Pact knew up to that point, Air was an area where Mordremoth couldn’t hit them. Land convoys were at far greater risk.
Bring enough oil or similar stuff and burn everything.
You can have the air strike, but at the same time the land forces has to carry on as well.
That sounds so ingenious! Why hasn’t anyone ever thought about sending in ground troops and then firing hundreds of cannons on their positions before!
It’s not like we need those ground troops with explosives to survive or anything. Or make it to their destination.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
The commander is not as strong as an elder dragon.
You do NOT have to be an equal to defeat somebody. And Dragon champion strength varies greatly. I would never say the legendary Eye of Zhaitan is equal to Tequatl.
I mean actual dragon champions that are well dragons not other things that are dragon champion but the actual dragon champion you know like Glint or Telquat or the final boss we defeated in living story 2. I think they are actual children to the elder dragons in like actually giving birth to them.
Shadow of the Dragon is 100% plant while Mordremoth’s body isn’t. The Shatterer is 100% not biological either but clearly a construct made of stone and lightning. The Claw of Jormag is an obvious construct of ice and bone too.
Nothing shows that the dragon-shaped dragon champions are ‘birthed’ by the Elder Dragons. Though this doesn’t mean that there wasn’t a dragon race in the distant past – given that Glint could procreate and that we had Bone Dragons in GW1 (plus the Claw of Jormag’s bones had to come from somewhere, as did the bodies of Zhaitan’s dragons).
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
I would have gathered more intel.
I mean, was it even stated that we knew enough about Mordremoth?
We went into great detail with Zaithan.
Were we just so hyped about or victory there, that we just went on and though: “Yeah, same tactic again. This one should be even weaker.”
Well, the Sylvari thing was kinda unfortunate, but how aboutat least a two wave attack?
Not everything at once.
I would have gathered more intel.
I mean, was it even stated that we knew enough about Mordremoth?We went into great detail with Zaithan.
Were we just so hyped about or victory there, that we just went on and though: “Yeah, same tactic again. This one should be even weaker.”
Well, the Sylvari thing was kinda unfortunate, but how aboutat least a two wave attack?
Not everything at once.
Then you are balancing between striking while Mordremoth isn’t fully awakened and ready to fight (as they thought), or giving it time to strengthen it’s forces and prepare.
They were hoping to put it down swiftly with reduced bloodshed.
Shadow of the Dragon is 100% plant while Mordremoth’s body isn’t. The Shatterer is 100% not biological either but clearly a construct made of stone and lightning. The Claw of Jormag is an obvious construct of ice and bone too.
Nothing shows that the dragon-shaped dragon champions are ‘birthed’ by the Elder Dragons. Though this doesn’t mean that there wasn’t a dragon race in the distant past – given that Glint could procreate and that we had Bone Dragons in GW1 (plus the Claw of Jormag’s bones had to come from somewhere, as did the bodies of Zhaitan’s dragons).
Is not Mordremoth 100% plant also?
The Mouth of Mordremoth by all indication is Mordremoth’s physical body. That is not just bark but also scale covering its body.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Shadow of the Dragon is 100% plant while Mordremoth’s body isn’t. The Shatterer is 100% not biological either but clearly a construct made of stone and lightning. The Claw of Jormag is an obvious construct of ice and bone too.
Nothing shows that the dragon-shaped dragon champions are ‘birthed’ by the Elder Dragons. Though this doesn’t mean that there wasn’t a dragon race in the distant past – given that Glint could procreate and that we had Bone Dragons in GW1 (plus the Claw of Jormag’s bones had to come from somewhere, as did the bodies of Zhaitan’s dragons).
Jormag can create bones, the Dragonspawn was formed by bone and ice as well.
Jormag doesn’t create bones, he utilizes them.
There’s a difference.
Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.
If “I” had control pre-HoT, much like the guy a few posts above said, I would gather intel. Scout. Try to determine what Mordremoth’s powers were, and consult the Pale Tree/Luminaries if possible- they are all “plant-like”, so they may be able to access some information we meat-sapients can’t get to. No thinking sapient would look at two radically different other sapient enemies and assume they’re the same, so why are they doing that here? Overconfidence aside, there should have been someone that points this out.
However, if I can’t go back that far, then for sure I would try to make it a legit, fully-committed rescue attempt. No detours until everyone’s rescued and treated. Zhaitan turns people it captures, Mordremoth may have the same capability. The longer one delays the rescue, the worse the odds become.
I am totally Sylvari trash.
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Jormag doesn’t create bones, he utilizes them.
There’s a difference.
No, the Dragonspawn was created by it and it could turn itself into ice storm. So those “bones” were actually ice.
If “I” had control pre-HoT, much like the guy a few posts above said, I would gather intel. Scout. Try to determine what Mordremoth’s powers were, and consult the Pale Tree/Luminaries if possible- they are all “plant-like”, so they may be able to access some information we meat-sapients can’t get to. No thinking sapient would look at two radically different other sapient enemies and assume they’re the same, so why are they doing that here? Overconfidence aside, there should have been someone that points this out.
Presumably the Pact assumed they already had a good idea of what Mordy’s powers were, they’d been fighting it in Silverwastes and likely gotten reports from Ascalon and Dry Top.
The Pale Tree was still slipping in and out of consciousness, and technically we did consult her in S2… she was kinda vague…
Further we had no reason to expect that Mordy would be so different from the rest. Zhaitan, Primo, Kralky, Jorry (as in Jormag not Marjory… maybe Maggy?) all had singular physical bodies which reasonably upon destruction would mean their death. It wouldn’t have been too unreasonable to expect that a large enough force would be able break through to Mordy and cut off the head (or mouth :P ) of the serpent (or dragon :P )
Was not Zhaitan replaced by Telquat?