Guild Wars 2

So for a while now we knew about the revenant and it’s ability to channel spirits. Jalis was one of the first examples used to illustrate the revenant’s unique profession mechanic, channeling spirits. However if Jalis’s spirit can be channeled, does that mean he actually died? And if so, what does that mean?

I might be wrong, but I think the last thing we know about Jalis and the rest of the remaining (deldrimor) dwarfs is that they are still fighting in the depths of Tyria up to this day to keep the destroyers and Primordus at bay, but if Jalis is dead does that mean their line is broken and there is nothing between primordus and us?

ANet seems to be consistent in saying that the revenant calls upon legends-not quite the same thing as spirits. What that actually means is open to interpretation, but we can’t take it as proof positive that Jalis or any of the other chosen beings are actually dead.

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ANet seems to be consistent in saying that the revenant calls upon legends-not quite the same thing as spirits. What that actually means is open to interpretation, but we can’t take it as proof positive that Jalis or any of the other chosen beings are actually dead.

I know I shouldn’t build a lore theory on a article introducing a new profession’s mechanic, but in this
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/revenant-the-master-of-the-mists/
they say, I quote: “A revenant can select from a pool of legends—epic characters from the past that you can invoke power from—and slot two different legends at a time.”

The important part is: “characters from the past” , which, (in my interpretation) means they are not in the present, in other words they are not part of this world anymore.

Or it could just as easily mean characters who aren’t as important anymore, or characters we recognize from GW1. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I don’t think we have enough information to know either way.

Jalis was from the past.

That doesn’t mean he has to be dead for his legend – over 250 years old – to be invoked. Nor does it mean he cannot be around in the present too.

Anet has been rather peculiar in the complete lack of mentioning spirits, souls, and ghosts in terms of the revenant’s capabilities. It’s always “channeling legends” and “manipulating the power of the Mists” (aka temporal vortex and stuff – messing with space and time, which spans outside the four schools and the similar but different five known fields of magical energy).

And in all honesty, if Anet wanted to be really creative, the legends can be from the present and even future – as the Mists holds the memories of all places, all beings, and all times. It would not break lore given what wording they’ve provided thus far.

Overall, though, we know too little about the revenant’s lore. And likely will until HoT’s release.

Honestly, I don’t know if we’ll ever see if Jalis still lives until we go into the depths to confront Primordus. I do believe it means Jalis is dead, so that we can (better) channel his power, but I can see the argument that it’s just the echo of Jalis while he was still flesh (perhaps a death of what he was before?).

As to the repercussions of Jalis’s hypothetical death, it doesn’t mean the line is broken, so much as he, the individual, has fallen. After being turned to stone, the dwarves lost much of what they were, so the role of king meant so much less. Maybe they lost a general, or just a mighty fighter, but they will continue to fight until they are all wiped out of Primordus is defeated.

well fractals can show alternate timelines, if channeling a legend actually requires channeling someone dead they could always go to that idea (jalis died in an alternate time)

There are a number of theories in this forum on the same topic here in the lore section.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/lore/King-Jalis-Ironhammer/first#post4758734

Mai Trin is in the Fractals of the Mists but she is still alive. The Mists shows an echo of everything that once was. You don’t have to be dead to be found there.

Any Norn would be happy to tell you a person’s ghost and a person’s Legend are two separate things.

And Revenants channel Legend, not ghosts.

This mist is already already a place of paradox so just because Jalis is a legend doesn’t necessarily mean he is dead.

For all we know there is a section of the mist where the God’s never left and the charr were destroyed, only to leave Tyria poised for a mass extinction by the elder dragons due to the lack of the Vigil to balance out the Pact (or lack of a commander of skill if you happened to play a charr for your story)

Based on what the word Revenant means and the theme of their powers, it would seem weird if the Legends weren’t dead people, regardless of how the Mists work. I don’t think Jalis being dead means that the dwarves lost though. He could be the only one that died for all we know, doing something epic like breaking one of the Dragon’s teeth or something. ;P