Joko en Zinn, when?

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Posted by: Amaimon.7823

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During the recordings, Zinn makes a statement that getting tricked by Joko was his lowest point, but I’m having some trouble imaging a point in time where an asura in vicinity of the Maguuma interacted with an undead lich in Elona. When did this happen? and what did Joko trick Zinn for?

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Posted by: Stitch.1794

Stitch.1794

During the recordings, Zinn makes a statement that getting tricked by Joko was his lowest point, but I’m having some trouble imaging a point in time where an asura in vicinity of the Maguuma interacted with an undead lich in Elona. When did this happen? and what did Joko trick Zinn for?

When we first encountered Zinn in GW1, he had been tricked into making 3 golems to assassinate the princes of Vabbi, which leads to his trial and exile. It was never revealed who he made the golems for, but Joko was certainly someone who would want the deaths of the princes.

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Posted by: Amaimon.7823

Amaimon.7823

During the recordings, Zinn makes a statement that getting tricked by Joko was his lowest point, but I’m having some trouble imaging a point in time where an asura in vicinity of the Maguuma interacted with an undead lich in Elona. When did this happen? and what did Joko trick Zinn for?

When we first encountered Zinn in GW1, he had been tricked into making 3 golems to assassinate the princes of Vabbi, which leads to his trial and exile. It was never revealed who he made the golems for, but Joko was certainly someone who would want the deaths of the princes.

I never knew that.. I replayed gw1 EotN several times.. gonna have to look it up, but it already happened before gw1, then it should be on the wiki > off to wikiland

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

During the recordings, Zinn makes a statement that getting tricked by Joko was his lowest point, but I’m having some trouble imaging a point in time where an asura in vicinity of the Maguuma interacted with an undead lich in Elona. When did this happen? and what did Joko trick Zinn for?

When we first encountered Zinn in GW1, he had been tricked into making 3 golems to assassinate the princes of Vabbi, which leads to his trial and exile. It was never revealed who he made the golems for, but Joko was certainly someone who would want the deaths of the princes.

I never knew that.. I replayed gw1 EotN several times.. gonna have to look it up, but it already happened before gw1, then it should be on the wiki > off to wikiland

I think it was part of the Asura missions where you recruit everyone. There’s an instance where you witness the trial if I remember correctly.

Edit: or maybe it wasn’t.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xTBFVUDBzak

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Posted by: Aaron Ansari.1604

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It wasn’t explicitly part of any of the main stories, but something they added into the game in the GW1 version of the New Player Experience after Eye of the North. The Trial was later still, as a sort of prologue to War In Kryta. Wiki article here.

The curious thing is that the golems didn’t just go after Prince Bokka in Vabbi. Emperor Kisu of Cantha and Princess Salma in Kryta were also targeted.

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Posted by: EdwinLi.1284

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It is a reference to the event back in GW1 being MOX’s Companion Questline where a “Mysterious benefactor” tricked Zinn into creating three Golems named NOX, ROX, and POX to kill royality of each Human Country. The GW1 Hero stopped them with MOX but Zinn was then outcasted for almost causing mass Genecide on the Human Kingdoms.

It is now revealed that the Mysterious Benefactor is Joko and most likely we would have learned this years ago if GW Beyond was not cancelled.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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Interesting. I would not have pinged Joko as the mysterious benefactor.

This raises a couple questions (how he knew of Zinn and the asura, how he got that powerstone used in R.O.X. and what, exactly, it was) and adds in a very important new point about Joko: This is the first time players are told that Joko had any interest outside of Elona.

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: EdwinLi.1284

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Interesting. I would not have pinged Joko as the mysterious benefactor.

This raises a couple questions (how he knew of Zinn and the asura, how he got that powerstone used in R.O.X. and what, exactly, it was) and adds in a very important new point about Joko: This is the first time players are told that Joko had any interest outside of Elona.

Well it goes back to more GW1 lore again….

After EotN Asura race started to create multiple small settlements out side Rata Novus basically being the early outside labs we see now Asura create when they wanted to separate themselves from Rata Novus. This attracted the attention of a lot of people from all the countries due to how advance Asuran technology was such as Nicholas the Traveler.

Nicholas the Traveler revealed that Zinn created NOX, ROX, POX, and MOX as the first generation of Golems that would use Ruby Djinn Essences to power them which is what gave MOX his Dervish abilities as a Hero in GW1. Of course where Zinn got his supply of Ruby Djinn Essences was unknown but now we got our answer being Joko supplying him with it from Elona.

Nicholas the Traveler also revealed that the Gwen Doll he sold was powered from inside one of these Ruby Djinn Essence Golems.

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Posted by: Amaimon.7823

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Interesting. I would not have pinged Joko as the mysterious benefactor.

This raises a couple questions (how he knew of Zinn and the asura, how he got that powerstone used in R.O.X. and what, exactly, it was) and adds in a very important new point about Joko: This is the first time players are told that Joko had any interest outside of Elona.

chronologically speaking, when did Joko even have the chance? I mean, he was released during Nightfall, right after which the heroes move back to tyria to investigate the earthquakes. All this time Joko should’ve been focussing on reclaiming the Bone Palace and rebuilding his forces, I can’t think of a window of time for him to go to the Maguuma to trick Zinn into making golems to kill world leaders.. I mean, it would help agenda for world domination, but I don’t think he would’ve moved that far ahead when he only just got his palace back

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Posted by: Stitch.1794

Stitch.1794

Interesting. I would not have pinged Joko as the mysterious benefactor.

This raises a couple questions (how he knew of Zinn and the asura, how he got that powerstone used in R.O.X. and what, exactly, it was) and adds in a very important new point about Joko: This is the first time players are told that Joko had any interest outside of Elona.

chronologically speaking, when did Joko even have the chance? I mean, he was released during Nightfall, right after which the heroes move back to tyria to investigate the earthquakes. All this time Joko should’ve been focussing on reclaiming the Bone Palace and rebuilding his forces, I can’t think of a window of time for him to go to the Maguuma to trick Zinn into making golems to kill world leaders.. I mean, it would help agenda for world domination, but I don’t think he would’ve moved that far ahead when he only just got his palace back

There’s a window of up to 4 years, which doesn’t seem an unreasonably short period of time for Joko to pull this off. Nightfall takes place in 1075, and Zinn’s trail and exile occurred in the build up to War In Kryta, which takes place in 1079. Also consider that Joko’s Bone Palace is very close to the Crystal Desert – only a couple of maps in game terms, as you can travel directly from Crystal Overlook in Nightfall to Arid Sea in Prophecies.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

Well it goes back to more GW1 lore again….

Yes I am… fully aware of everything you mentioned. Except, of course, for a couple mistakes…

Also, I’m pretty sure you mean “Rata Sum” not “Rata Novus” since Novus was an isolated city built after the events of GW1 Beyond content (thus well after the M.O.X., R.O.X., P.O.X., N.O.X. incidents).

However, said mistakes:

This attracted the attention of a lot of people from all the countries due to how advance Asuran technology was such as Nicholas the Traveler.

It should be noted that Nicholas only began traveling again well after the R.O.X. situation.

More importantly:

Nicholas the Traveler revealed that Zinn created NOX, ROX, POX, and MOX as the first generation of Golems that would use Ruby Djinn Essences to power them which is what gave MOX his Dervish abilities as a Hero in GW1. Of course where Zinn got his supply of Ruby Djinn Essences was unknown but now we got our answer being Joko supplying him with it from Elona.

Two issues: Firstly, the dialogue Nicholas said was this:

“Have you ever heard of the great artificer Zinn? Well, he has me out here searching for a Ruby Djinn Essence. I don’t know why, but for some reason I empathize with the little guy. The last time we met he was muttering about running out of something, and he was fretting about the power core redesign of his latest construct. I’m not entirely sure what the Ruby Djinn Essence has to do with it, or what a “power core” even is, but I figured I’d help anyway. You’ll let me know if you find one before I do, won’t you?"

That dialogue has no indication of having anything to do with the *.O.X. golems from GW1, as “his latest construct” which utilized the Ruby Djinn Essence would be none of the golems we met in GW1. And even less is stated about what gives M.O.X. his dervish abilities; all we know of M.O.X. that makes him unique is that he utilizes two power cores instead of one unlike the other golems of that era (it should also be noted that golem dervishes is far from unusual and that Ruby Djinns have nothing in relation to dervishes (being elementalists themselves)).

Secondly, what Joko would have supplied was described as “a custom power crystal”. And the Ruby Djinn Essence… is not a power crystal. And even if the Vabbians had heard of the asura (the only citable source I can find on a short search of non-Tyrians talking about asura was the N.O.X. quest and my own recollections), Joko had no (known) living contacts beyond the PC so unless the PC had traveled back to the Desolation to talk to Joko about current events, he would have needed to either obtain some living contacts, or send undead infiltrators into trading cities to learn of the asura.

All the same, this is still the very first time we’ve ever seen or heard Joko caring what happens beyond Elona’s borders.

Nicholas the Traveler also revealed that the Gwen Doll he sold was powered from inside one of these Ruby Djinn Essence Golems.

Uhh… no, it just said: “Powered from the inside by one of Zinn’s magical micro golems.”

Type of power source never mentioned.

You’re taking one small line VASTLY out of proportion, and treating it as if every single power core Zinn ever used was powered by Ruby Djinn Essence, when the line is rather talking about new alternatives (like the Saurian Bone dialogue from Nick).

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

chronologically speaking, when did Joko even have the chance? I mean, he was released during Nightfall, right after which the heroes move back to tyria to investigate the earthquakes. All this time Joko should’ve been focussing on reclaiming the Bone Palace and rebuilding his forces, I can’t think of a window of time for him to go to the Maguuma to trick Zinn into making golems to kill world leaders.. I mean, it would help agenda for world domination, but I don’t think he would’ve moved that far ahead when he only just got his palace back

Assuming he didn’t just send a proxy agent to do the deal with Zinn for him and that he interacted with Zinn directly, there would have been plenty of time. The PC of GW1 had done a good handful of helping Joko re-consolidate his forces, and three years passed before Eye of the North even occurred. With the work we did, that would have been enough to make a short business trip or two (especially if he also went to recruit some Orrian undead that remained – would explain their entire disappearance after Prophecies).

So there was a span of 1 year (the time between EotN and WiK) in which he could have gone up north or sent someone up north.

And don’t forget that Joko had mastered the junundu wurms as well, so he had those at his disposal as well – I’d bet they’d make travel faster if they go through the Crystal Desert, Scavenger’s Causeway, and Orr.

Side note: Whoever said Joko cares about world domination? Like I’ve said, until this, we’ve never seen or heard of any indication that Joko cared about anything beyond the borders of Elona. I could easily see R.O.X. and P.O.X. being attempts to divert attention from himself by targeting people he doesn’t care about.

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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Another possible motivation could be denying Elona allies. Kryta was already in chaos, but killing Salma would have robbed the anti-Mantle factions of a legitimate alternative to White Mantle rule, but at least some of them would continue fighting nonetheless – thus prolonging the fighting in Kryta. And the potential for chaos in Cantha, or at least resuming Canthan isolation, from killing the emperor probably doesn’t need to be spelled out. Such conditions might prevent either from sending aid to Elona.

When it comes to possible world domination… it’s unclear. It’s possible Joko believes he has a legitimate claim to Elona and is just taking what’s rightfully his, and he’s content with that. It’s also possible he’s just a very patient opportunist and will take whatever he can get, with an eye towards eventual world domination.

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