Guild Wars 2

Does Jormag keep the shiverpeaks cold or is he there because they are cold? Will events focused on him bring ice and snow to other maps? Once he is taken down does that mean the Shiverpeaks will no longer be ice and snow?

I hope it doesnt become warm.

You dont want to see shaved Kodans in bikinis.

Ever.

The Shiverpeaks were cold (thus the name) even during GW1, before the dragons began reawakening, so it’s a safe bet that he’s just making the far north even colder than it already was.

There’s a whole lotta heat below the shiverpeaks, though, google “primordus”

Tekoneiric.6817:

Does Jormag keep the shiverpeaks cold or is he there because they are cold? Will events focused on him bring ice and snow to other maps? Once he is taken down does that mean the Shiverpeaks will no longer be ice and snow?

Whole area was cold in EotN. It’s probably arctic levels of cold now but it was always a boreal forest/taiga biome.

Anet has retconed the kitten out of the world map but I think it’s safe to say that the HoM is in the same relative location to other world landmarks jut to give an idea of where this is on our current map.

https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Far_Shiverpeaks

The thing about it is that while Jormag was asleep in GW1 he could have asserted an influence on his region keeping it the way he likes it. I think both are possible.

I would like to see his cold spreading to other maps like Harathi Hinterlands and more of Gendarran Fields than is already cold. They could do a whole plot where it starts snowing in LA and the Black Citadel.

Tekoneiric.6817:

The thing about it is that while Jormag was asleep in GW1 he could have asserted an influence on his region keeping it the way he likes it. I think both are possible.

I would like to see his cold spreading to other maps like Harathi Hinterlands and more of Gendarran Fields than is already cold. They could do a whole plot where it starts snowing in LA and the Black Citadel.

Worth just to see a group of young charr wandering the citadel daring each other to lick the walls etc., then laughing when one’s tongue gets frozen to it.

The Shiverpeaks is a very high altitude, mountainous region. And, for the most part, I think Tyria has been pretty practical with its distribution of biomes (i.e. tundras and colder regions being in higher altitudes, etc. Although, in GW1, I thought things got a little weird around the southern shiverpeaks, where it was at sea level and also strangely close to hot and arid Elona, but still frozen. ). So it’s probable they would be cold with or without the dragon there. The southern end of the shiverpeaks, I think I read, is only getting warm because of all the heat Mount Maelstrom is pumping out, not because of any waning/waxing influence of Jormag.

Tekoneiric.6817:

Does Jormag keep the shiverpeaks cold or is he there because they are cold? Will events focused on him bring ice and snow to other maps? Once he is taken down does that mean the Shiverpeaks will no longer be ice and snow?

Neither.

The Shiverpeaks are said to be 10,000 feet in elevation, iirc. That high up, it gets kitten cold. Despite this, it gets warm enough in spring and summer for plants to grow.

Jormag slept and awoke far north of the Shiverpeaks. His presence is making the areas sub-zero. At that temperature, life both animal and plant would not survive.

Once he’s taken down, as with the other dragons, his corruption will not suddenly disappear. If anything, the Shiverpeaks will – very slowly – return to their temperatures we saw in GW1. Which with exception of where we see lots of Jormag’s corruption, is where they rather currently are.

Amaimon.7823:

There’s a whole lotta heat below the shiverpeaks, though, google “primordus”

He’s not that close. The Depths of Tyria that span the continent are thousands of feet underground – and that would be at the elevation of Kryta and Ascalon, so only a few dozen feet above sea level at most, and the Shiverpeaks are 10,000 feet higher than their surrounding landscapes (Kryta and Ascalon) in average elevation.

Even Primordus’ molten ‘primordial fire’ that burns through fire will not give off enough heat that would travel that far through stone.

Tekoneiric.6817:

The thing about it is that while Jormag was asleep in GW1 he could have asserted an influence on his region keeping it the way he likes it. I think both are possible.

He slept too far north to be keeping the Southern Shiverpeaks cold. He was sleeping off the map, and it took him four years to reach where the norn lived – the furthest northern reaches of the GW2 map.

If he can’t even influence Mount Maelstrom from where he is now (within the GW2 map), then he couldn’t have when he was asleep and way off of the GW1 map (which was bigger than the GW2 map).

Squee.7829:

Although, in GW1, I thought things got a little weird around the southern shiverpeaks, where it was at sea level and also strangely close to hot and arid Elona, but still frozen. ). So it’s probable they would be cold with or without the dragon there. The southern end of the shiverpeaks, I think I read, is only getting warm because of all the heat Mount Maelstrom is pumping out, not because of any waning/waxing influence of Jormag.

GW1 and GW2 are weird with proportions, and I think it was implied that we saw the Shiverpeaks during winter and fall in GW1, while it’s spring and summer in GW2 – which is why Wayfarer Foothills and Lornar’s Pass are melted.

Yes, Mount Maelstrom (and probably Timberline Falls) is melted primarily due to the volcano that erupted, however.

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[Amaimon.7823:]There’s a whole lotta heat below the shiverpeaks, though, google “primordus”[/quote]He’s not that close. The Depths of Tyria that span the continent are thousands of feet underground – and that would be at the elevation of Kryta and Ascalon, so only a few dozen feet above sea level at most, and the Shiverpeaks are 10,000 feet higher than their surrounding landscapes (Kryta and Ascalon) in average elevation.

Even Primordus’ molten ‘primordial fire’ that burns through fire will not give off enough heat that would travel that far through stone.
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To the best of my recollection, the Central Transfer Chamber was pretty close to yaks bend, let me see if there’s still a map out there. No high quality maps, sadly, but woodenpotatoes’ gw2 and gw1 overlay map make it clear that you practically walk over the central transfer chamber when you first walk from Ascalon to the Iron Horse Mines

But you are right about him being deep, until the great dwarf is the ex-dwarf he propably wont affect the surface much. There are a destroyer heart events in the shiverpeaks, though, but I suppose they’re scraps/strays

Amaimon.7823:

konig des todes.2086:

Amaimon.7823:

There’s a whole lotta heat below the shiverpeaks, though, google “primordus”

He’s not that close. The Depths of Tyria that span the continent are thousands of feet underground – and that would be at the elevation of Kryta and Ascalon, so only a few dozen feet above sea level at most, and the Shiverpeaks are 10,000 feet higher than their surrounding landscapes (Kryta and Ascalon) in average elevation.

Even Primordus’ molten ‘primordial fire’ that burns through fire will not give off enough heat that would travel that far through stone.

To the best of my recollection, the Central Transfer Chamber was pretty close to yaks bend, let me see if there’s still a map out there. No high quality maps, sadly, but woodenpotatoes’ gw2 and gw1 overlay map make it clear that you practically walk over the central transfer chamber when you first walk from Ascalon to the Iron Horse Mines

But you are right about him being deep, until the great dwarf is the ex-dwarf he propably wont affect the surface much. There are a destroyer heart events in the shiverpeaks, though, but I suppose they’re scraps/strays

1. It’s That Shaman’s map, not the map of Woodenpotatoes.

2. Yes, he was close to the Central Transfer Chamber (in fact, the Asura were unknowingly drawing power from him) and the Central Transfer Chamber is in the Northern Shiverpeaks, what is now the northeast of Frostgorge Sound. See: http://guide.thatshaman.com/

3. It is irrelevant where he was in GW1 anyway because we know he has been moving around a lot for 200 years. That’s why there aren’t just destroyers in the shiverpeaks but all over the place.

The odd thing about Frostgorge Sound is that it is a sea level since the sea intrudes into the map. It’s roughly at the same level as the Woodland Cascades which shows green. Jormag would have to be keeping that area cold. Fireheart Rise appears to be at roughly the same elevation as Frostgorge Sound.

I wish when they made the maps they had shown a more progressive elevation change into the Shiverpeaks. I also think they should have left a large buffer between maps.

Amaimon.7823:

To the best of my recollection, the Central Transfer Chamber was pretty close to yaks bend, let me see if there’s still a map out there. No high quality maps, sadly, but woodenpotatoes’ gw2 and gw1 overlay map make it clear that you practically walk over the central transfer chamber when you first walk from Ascalon to the Iron Horse Mines

We don’t go over the CTC in GW1 but we do go close as it is off the explorable map in GW1 – and that_shaman’s historical map places it in the border between Frostgorge and Fireheart.

Amaimon.7823:

But you are right about him being deep, until the great dwarf is the ex-dwarf he propably wont affect the surface much. There are a destroyer heart events in the shiverpeaks, though, but I suppose they’re scraps/strays

It’s implied a few times that the dwarves are dead, and even if they weren’t given we know he was moving around and this movement is why we see destroyers from Brisban to Maelstrom to Ascalon. Still, he’s deep enough underground that his remnant forces able to reach the surface are very few.

Tekoneiric.6817:

The odd thing about Frostgorge Sound is that it is a sea level since the sea intrudes into the map. It’s roughly at the same level as the Woodland Cascades which shows green. Jormag would have to be keeping that area cold. Fireheart Rise appears to be at roughly the same elevation as Frostgorge Sound.

Uh…

Not all water is at sea level, and lakes – even large sea-sized ones – in mountains wouldn’t be either. If this was the case, waterfalls and downhill rivers couldn’t exist in the natural world.

Be it rain, melting snow, or underground springs, it’s likely that once Jormag shattered the mountains that while the bottom reaches may now be below sea level, not all of it is. If it was, then we’d have huge cliffs bordering the edges of the water.

On the elevation of Ascalon:

Kryta is near sea level, yes, but Ascalon seems to be a bit higher up: it’s described as “highlands” in the GW1 timeline, and if you look at the map you can’t access the sea from Ascalon without going through mountains first. In the real world, that generally means that the landward side of the mountains don’t come down as far as the seaward side and is thus quite a bit higher up (inland eastern Australia, for instance, is around 500m above sea level once you get inland of the Great Dividing Range). This is probably part of why Ascalon is cooler than Kryta despite being at a similar latitude.