Guild Wars 2

I know I am late to the party, but I am curious about something. So if the entire jungle was basically mordremoth’s body, and now he’s dead (or at the least braindead), what happens to the jungle? is it gonna collapse as his body rots away? Will his body rot away?

That desciption is largely metaphorical as I understood it. He is described as being the who.e jungle simpl,y because he has grown so much, what is jungle and what is Mord is at times indistinguishable. He is very much intertwined with it across those maps

The ecology and dependancy of that makes the survival of the actual jungle complicated. For now, the impact is not something we will see, but long term, it will likely alter the area significantly in some way. I doubt it will just disappear though – the non magus falls areas seem to survive just fine away from his direct influence.

The story mentions that even if you killed the body, it is now so entrenched in that area that it will literally regrow itself. That is why you go after his mind in the story, because that can’t grow back. The body of the dragon is still there, and likely will be for quite some time, but its mindless and based on that I guess you could assume it also doesn’t absorb any magic anymore (though I don’t see what the mind had to do with that)

Mordremoth’s true body is the Mouth of Mordremoth – part of the meta. What Trahearne and Canach said was largely metaphorical and related to Mordremoth’s powers over mind and plant.

Mordremoth can transfer its mind across all its corruption – so it “is” the corruption he spreads, but it is not his actual physical body. If his physical body (the Mouth of Mordremoth) is killed, he can transfer his mind into his corruption (just as he transfered part of it into Trahearne) and grow a new body – a new “Mouth of Mordremoth” as it is.

In order to kill Mordremoth, you had to destroy his mind – or rather, his connection to the Dream – so that he could not transfer his mind with his body’s destruction. And with Trahearne’s destruction, all (known) copies of his mind were also destroyed (and the magic Mordremoth consumed let back out into the world at an excessive rate).

Technically speaking it’s possible that Mordremoth isn’t truly dead – who’s to say he didn’t plant other “seeds” of his mind in various (or all) mordrem? The burst of magic could have been Mordremoth’s attempt to fool everyone into thinking he died – after all, Zhaitan’s death didn’t give such (then again, that could just mean Zhaitan is the one still alive).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Mordremoth’s true body is the Mouth of Mordremoth – part of the meta. What Trahearne and Canach said was largely metaphorical and related to Mordremoth’s powers over mind and plant.

Mordremoth can transfer its mind across all its corruption – so it “is” the corruption he spreads, but it is not his actual physical body. If his physical body (the Mouth of Mordremoth) is killed, he can transfer his mind into his corruption (just as he transfered part of it into Trahearne) and grow a new body – a new “Mouth of Mordremoth” as it is.

In order to kill Mordremoth, you had to destroy his mind – or rather, his connection to the Dream – so that he could not transfer his mind with his body’s destruction. And with Trahearne’s destruction, all (known) copies of his mind were also destroyed (and the magic Mordremoth consumed let back out into the world at an excessive rate).

Technically speaking it’s possible that Mordremoth isn’t truly dead – who’s to say he didn’t plant other “seeds” of his mind in various (or all) mordrem? The burst of magic could have been Mordremoth’s attempt to fool everyone into thinking he died – after all, Zhaitan’s death didn’t give such (then again, that could just mean Zhaitan is the one still alive).

Yeah I’ve thought about both of those points. I feel like while these dragons that are supposed to be tied into the very fabric of Tyria itself can be defeated, destroyed completely would be impossible. Mordremoth should easily be able to seed himself in any or all of his creations (he could still be in the mind of any number of mordrem or sylvari), and Zhaitan, as you pointed out, didn’t release that explosion of magic that mordremoth did, so the magic could reanimate him again or something…

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The burst of magic could have been Mordremoth’s attempt to fool everyone into thinking he died – after all, Zhaitan’s death didn’t give such (then again, that could just mean Zhaitan is the one still alive).

There was no visible burst after Zhaitan’s death (though he was beneath a shroud of clouds maybe we just didn’t see it) but Savant Valis’ Research Journal reveals that the Bloodstone started growing and that this coincided with Zhaitan’s death. He also says that the Stone reacted in a similar but more exaggerated way after Mordy’s death.

So I would say magic was also released upon Zhaitan’s death, just less because the Pact starved him before. The Tequatl update pretty much confirms this anyway.

Gotta wonder what Virdant Brink would look like if/when those vines start to either dry out or decay… I could see this decay eventually causing sinkholes to appear all over the place…

BuddhaKeks.4857:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The burst of magic could have been Mordremoth’s attempt to fool everyone into thinking he died – after all, Zhaitan’s death didn’t give such (then again, that could just mean Zhaitan is the one still alive).

There was no visible burst after Zhaitan’s death (though he was beneath a shroud of clouds maybe we just didn’t see it) but Savant Valis’ Research Journal reveals that the Bloodstone started growing and that this coincided with Zhaitan’s death. He also says that the Stone reacted in a similar but more exaggerated way after Mordy’s death.

So I would say magic was also released upon Zhaitan’s death, just less because the Pact starved him before. The Tequatl update pretty much confirms this anyway.

True, forgot to mention that.

But that goes into the ploy I suggested Mordremoth could use – lose magic to fool those killing him that he died.

Narcemus.1348:

Gotta wonder what Virdant Brink would look like if/when those vines start to either dry out or decay… I could see this decay eventually causing sinkholes to appear all over the place…

They may not. Dragon corruption remains unchanged with the Elder Dragon’s death, as seen with Orr and the risen.

Which is why Caithe’s “this may kill the sylvari people” fear was totally idiotic.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

BuddhaKeks.4857:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The burst of magic could have been Mordremoth’s attempt to fool everyone into thinking he died – after all, Zhaitan’s death didn’t give such (then again, that could just mean Zhaitan is the one still alive).

There was no visible burst after Zhaitan’s death (though he was beneath a shroud of clouds maybe we just didn’t see it) but Savant Valis’ Research Journal reveals that the Bloodstone started growing and that this coincided with Zhaitan’s death. He also says that the Stone reacted in a similar but more exaggerated way after Mordy’s death.

So I would say magic was also released upon Zhaitan’s death, just less because the Pact starved him before. The Tequatl update pretty much confirms this anyway.

True, forgot to mention that.

But that goes into the ploy I suggested Mordremoth could use – lose magic to fool those killing him that he died.

Narcemus.1348:

Gotta wonder what Virdant Brink would look like if/when those vines start to either dry out or decay… I could see this decay eventually causing sinkholes to appear all over the place…

They may not. Dragon corruption remains unchanged with the Elder Dragon’s death, as seen with Orr and the risen.

Which is why Caithe’s “this may kill the sylvari people” fear was totally idiotic.

Not completely idiotic. This was the first time that we have seen a dragon have a connection to an entire player race, and use that connection to convert a huge number of them en masse to its service. Zhaitan didn’t do that, so what implications the dragon’s death would have for them was unknown, as nothing like that had happened before.

Player race is irrelevant (well, from an out of universe perspective it just solidifies that all sylvari won’t die if Mordremoth was killed making Caithe’s line even sillier). Risen were dragon minions just as sylvari and mordrem were – there is a difference between the two, but the risen didn’t suffer any kind of drawback at all. They remained “alive” and active, and even acted as if Zhaitan still lived. They even, over time, got a power boost (see Tequatl, if not also the Orrian temple reworks that made them more challenging meta events).

And risen were just as converted and brainwashed as any other dragon minion – mordrem guard were a bit unique in how they were brainwashed, but sylvari were not brainwashed.

The line would have been far more believable from an in-universe perspective if all risen did, in plot, just collapse in a pile of undead mush. But that never happened.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Player race is irrelevant (well, from an out of universe perspective it just solidifies that all sylvari won’t die if Mordremoth was killed making Caithe’s line even sillier). Risen were dragon minions just as sylvari and mordrem were – there is a difference between the two, but the risen didn’t suffer any kind of drawback at all. They remained “alive” and active, and even acted as if Zhaitan still lived. They even, over time, got a power boost (see Tequatl, if not also the Orrian temple reworks that made them more challenging meta events).

And risen were just as converted and brainwashed as any other dragon minion – mordrem guard were a bit unique in how they were brainwashed, but sylvari were not brainwashed.

The line would have been far more believable from an in-universe perspective if all risen did, in plot, just collapse in a pile of undead mush. But that never happened.

I draw a difference between the risen and the sylvari. Zhaitan had to create his army from the dead of other creatures, they weren’t borrn his servants. Mordremoth’s servants are different. While some were corrupted, the sylvari were born from the start as an entire race that was made to serve him, but it obviously it wasn’t guaranteed that all of them would be his minions. I am probably not explaining myself very well, but I think there is an important difference. The Risen are more like the corrupted mordrem you see in SW to me, and the sylvari are something very different.

Regardless, this is somewhat off my initial inquiry. Interesting line of conversation, though.

Sylvari technically were not made to be his minions. What’s meant in Wynne’s line is that they come from his sphere of power – that they are fundamentally dragon minions.

Mordrem, risen, destroyer, icebrood, and branded – they are all fundamentally the same. The different is largely “what they were made from” and “what element the corruption takes form as”.

Sylvari are no different than those “corrupted mordrem you see in SW” (as almost all mordrem are born from Blighting Trees – just as sylvari are born from Pale Trees). The difference is that the sylvari are “purified” due to their trees being such by still unknown means.

Basically: sylvari are to mordrem as Glint’s offsprings are to branded.

BuddhaKeks.4857:

So I would say magic was also released upon Zhaitan’s death, just less because the Pact starved him before. The Tequatl update pretty much confirms this anyway.

That and at the time of Zhaitan’s death, we only had one Elder Dragon’s death under our belt. Mord makes two now – a whole lot of excess magic everywhere and we know Bloodstones were created for the sole purpose of storing magic to starve the EDs. If pre-Season 3 events were any indication, upon Mord’s death the magic was flowing back into the world and spreading and now with the introduction to Season 3, we have Taimi saying the Bloodstones are growing incredibly active. I think this is because the pool of magic that Zhaitan started with his death simply got bigger following Mord’s short life expectancy.