Guild Wars 2

Only a few people know where was the glint’s egg… Kasmer was one of them.

Lazarus needs a phisical body, the ritual link his soul to one body… Kasmer’s body.

If Kasmer was spying the White Mantle, she could be the vessel for the Lazarus rebirth.

Marjory feeled something when she saw Lazarus in the chamber of the egg, she feeled her lover, she feeled Kasmer inside Lazarus.

I think the memories of Lazarus and Kasmer are inside of the Fake Lazarus, trying to take control of the body. That is why Lazarus help us, thanks to the influence of Kasmer.

If only I got a gold coin for every “Lazarus is (insert_random_character_name)” thread. If only…
Abaddon-Lazarus, Queen Jennah-Lazarus, Glint-Lazarus. I can’t understand why people want something that makes no logical sence, no buildup and no story cohesion but is “surprising”. Just to shout “What a twist!” maybe?
Ok than, this way real Lazarus should be a mechanical rabbit with death-ray eyes riding a shark who wants to kill all sapient organic life forms before they invented artificial intelligence which would rebel and kill all the organics. What a twist!

Lazarus does not “need a physical body” because by rejoining his aspects, he makes his own physical body. See back to GW1, where just one aspect was physical.

Makes me wonder… could there be five (weak) Lazaruses about at one time?

But as Ider says: this (and most Lazarus theories) “makes no logical sence, no buildup and no story cohesion but is “surprising”.”

Honestly with everyone reaching for all these theories, it would be more surprising to the populous for Lazarus to not be a fake at all.

Ider.1276:

If only I got a gold coin for every “Lazarus is (insert_random_character_name)” thread. If only…
Abaddon-Lazarus, Queen Jennah-Lazarus, Glint-Lazarus. I can’t understand why people want something that makes no logical sence, no buildup and no story cohesion but is “surprising”. Just to shout “What a twist!” maybe?
Ok than, this way real Lazarus should be a mechanical rabbit with death-ray eyes riding a shark who wants to kill all sapient organic life forms before they invented artificial intelligence which would rebel and kill all the organics. What a twist!

The PC is Lazarus we just don’t know it yet because there are no clues.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Lazarus does not “need a physical body” because by rejoining his aspects, he makes his own physical body. See back to GW1, where just one aspect was physical.

Makes me wonder… could there be five (weak) Lazaruses about at one time?

But as Ider says: this (and most Lazarus theories) “makes no logical sence, no buildup and no story cohesion but is “surprising”.”

Honestly with everyone reaching for all these theories, it would be more surprising to the populous for Lazarus to not be a fake at all.

I hope Lazarus is Lazarus, the change in personality everyone wants to attribute to him being an impostor could be from the fact that he was built with 4/5 of his aspects. Or even just thinking it over for a few centuries may have caused him to change his mind on the whole arch villain thing.

Where is she anyway?
What is she up to?
Why is she MIA.
When did she disappear?
Who is she with?

we are dealing with important stuff here, related to human even, 2 dragons awake at the same time, the new built guild is already falling apart and she is nowhere to be seen

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Lazarus does not “need a physical body” because by rejoining his aspects, he makes his own physical body. See back to GW1, where just one aspect was physical.

Makes me wonder… could there be five (weak) Lazaruses about at one time?

But as Ider says: this (and most Lazarus theories) “makes no logical sence, no buildup and no story cohesion but is “surprising”.”

Honestly with everyone reaching for all these theories, it would be more surprising to the populous for Lazarus to not be a fake at all.

That is actually a popular theory, though, that it’s the real lazarus, but because he’s incomplete, he’s “good”

Amadan.9451:

Where is she anyway?
What is she up to?
Why is she MIA.
When did she disappear?
Who is she with?

we are dealing with important stuff here, related to human even, 2 dragons awake at the same time, the new built guild is already falling apart and she is nowhere to be seen

In the one of the letters from E was written: “Kasmeer, your special touch is needed to root out traitors in the court. If you find one, alert the nearest Shining Blade or Seraph guard. Do not endanger yourself.”

I think she knows everything, she is a member of the powerful and secret organization- the Mesmer Collective. I think they are acting like the Order of Whispers, they observe, study and attack if it is totally necessary.

I have a question for those who support the Kasmeer=Lazarus theory.

How do you bridge the gap between Lazarus using fire magic and imbuing the commander with “spectral smite” and Kasmeer, who solely uses mesmer magic?

To my knowledge, Mesmer magic requires some direct connection to another spellcaster in order to mimic their magic. In Guild Wars, that ability was shown in three ways.

The ability to remove an enchantment from an enemy and be able to cast the enchantment on others for a limited duration.

The ability to remove a hex from an ally and be able to cast the hex onto others for a limited duration.

The ability to temporarily steal a spell from an opponent entirely, forcibly stopping them from using that spell for the duration you had it.

The only other example in Guild Wars I can think of is Reiko, who actively conjured seeming phantasms with the spells and skills of anyone attacking her. While less direct, she couldn’t cast those abilities herself, those phantasms cast the spells for her, and they were only phantasms of the people who were present.

Now this doesn’t mean that this aspect of mesmer magic has been completely ignored ever since Reiko’s fall, but there hasn’t been precedence for it established since then. Maybe with the previous incarnation of the ‘mimic’ ability for mesmers, maybe. But it was removed (i think mostly for balance reasons, nobody was really using it), and it copied all projectiles, even physical ones, meaning it had no direct relation to spells.

So, unless there’s some modern precedence for mesmers being able to copy abilities wholesale without the need for someone of that profession and race (Spectral Smite) to be nearby, there is absolutely no way it could be Kasmeer.

Mesmer can use torch… so… yes… it could work… fire magic… science…

And i think the rules of magic of guild wars does not work in guild wars 2.

It is Lazarus theory or… “hi comander, i was busy with a super secret mision, that is why you have not see me in a long time… because stuffs…”

vier.1327:

Mesmer can use torch… so… yes… it could work… fire magic… science…

What colour are those flames again? Oh right, purple. Lazarus’ was clearly the yellow/red that we associate with fires in real life.

Plus that doesn’t explain the “spectral smite” spell that the commander is gifted with by Lazarus.

And i think the rules of magic of guild wars does not work in guild wars 2.

It’s not about ‘the rules of magic of Guild Wars’ its ‘there is no precedence for this, thus why would it happen’? If there is no lore to say that mesmers can wholesale copy magic from others without them being around, then there is no argument to say why that should happen.

It is Lazarus theory or… “hi comander, i was busy with a super secret mision, that is why you have not see me in a long time… because stuffs…”

I don’t get why it’s unreasonable for Kasmeer to be busy with things. Rytlock is busy with the Black Citadel right now, Braham was (and is) busy killing icebrood, Rox first brought back Garm before joining Braham, Logan was out cold but now is Marshal of the pact, Zojja is still out cold for all we know, Marjory joined us at the beginning but is busy with Lazarus, Canach was under Anise’s billet this whole time and is now doing whatever he pleases, Taimi is busy in her dragon lab, everyone is doing something, why is it unreasonable to suggest that Kasmeer HAS been busy.

Remember, she’s a member of the Mesmer Conclave, they could have given her a mission like they did when she went to investigate the invisible walls that surrounded the Tower of Nightmares.

Saying “she MUST be Lazarus because we havent seen her” is baseless, there’s NO evidence supporting it and EVERY evidence to suggest otherwise.

i am not suggesting she is lazarus because we don’t see her, i just want to know what she is up to. we know what all the rest of the guild is wasting time with.
even blaine in the well is sending us mail, why can’t she?

Amadan.9451:

i am not suggesting she is lazarus because we don’t see her, i just want to know what she is up to. we know what all the rest of the guild is wasting time with.
even blaine in the well is sending us mail, why can’t she?

I get the feeling that Blaine has plenty of time on his hands down there, based on the contents of the letters. Kas probably has a busier schedule and can’t find the time to drop us a note.

Ider.1276:

If only I got a gold coin for every “Lazarus is (insert_random_character_name)” thread. If only…
Abaddon-Lazarus, Queen Jennah-Lazarus, Glint-Lazarus. I can’t understand why people want something that makes no logical sence, no buildup and no story cohesion but is “surprising”. Just to shout “What a twist!” maybe?

I’d argue Queen Jennah theory has at least some of these.

First, logical sense. As seen in “Head of the Snake”, she’s remarkably powerful. So, it seems safe to assume she has the means pose as Lazarus, and more importantly, absorb the magic from the Bloodstone. Doing so would gain her the support of a significant part of the White Mantle. Even if it isn’t all of them, it still can be used for two separate goals – disrupting Caudecus’ plans and using the White Mantle threat to gain more power in Kryta’s court. We saw both happen. So, she has the means and she has the motive. After this I’d be more surprised if Jennah doesn’t turn out a lot darker than she’s portrayed so far. Not necessarily as the fake Lazarus, but I’m not ruling it out.

Jennah, however, is always under observation and the Shining Blade would never let her be put in such life-threatening situations as being alone in the heart of enemy territory, no matter how strong of a mesmer she may be.

And by our knowledge, no normal human – no matter how strong – can absorb a bloodstone’s magic. She was also always very powerful, as shown in Edge of Destiny novel, so her new display of power is nothing new (it’s just the first time shown in the game itself, unless you count the “impenetrable by all means” shield during CM story a show of power).

And I think the fact she has this power yet has not done much with it to directly counter Caudecus (or Kellach, or Scarlet), despite knowing him an enemy, even during the attempts on her life, is proof that she’s not an overtly darker persona than she’s portraying.

watched it only in story, but now in this cinematic murs didn’t just apeear in lightning, ascended on lightning, then ley-line, fire and colours of reaper shorud appear. Sound like some force was used to make energy that someone could climb, if device was there. Secondly all those effect: cuz mage or cuz impressive appearance or showy appearance to deceive com.

The only creatures that we know of that can absorb the magic from the bloodstone explosion are gods and dragons. There is no example of anything else ever absorbing that much magic and surviving.

We definitely know that none of the current major races can absorb that amount of magic.

So who absorbed all that magic and lived? Gleam perhaps?

Why would Gleam care about masquerading as a mursaat? What does it gain him?

The revive place is closed with walls. One was broken and there are claws marks below.

Feanor.2358:

Why would Gleam care about masquerading as a mursaat? What does it gain him?

It keeps him hidden. Primordus has already tried to kill him. Why would Gleam’s mother lie about her lair being the size of a single grain of sand?

Also, his mother had a keen interest in the mursaat. He may know a lot about them.

DarcShriek.5829:

Feanor.2358:

Why would Gleam care about masquerading as a mursaat? What does it gain him?

It keeps him hidden. Primordus has already tried to kill him. Why would Gleam’s mother lie about her lair being the size of a single grain of sand?

It also makes him a target for anyone who’s not an elder dragon. Gleam would definitely have learned about the atrocities and the betrayal of the mursaat, so he would know that parading around as one of the most distrusted races in history is probably the worst way to present oneself as an ally. Plus, how would gleam turn into a mursaat? We have NO precedent of ANY dragon shapeshifting. This isn’t World of Warcraft or Everquest where that type of thing is so common. There is no lore describing the possibility of shapeshifting dragons, so again there’s that lore hurdle that you need to get around.

Also, I don’t think the entire lair was described as being the size of a grain of sand, but the entire lair was contained within a single grain of sand. As in a magical warping of space to make it fit into such a small object so that nobody can casually wander into the lair by accident?

Here’s Turai Ossa’s quote:

She lives here in the Crystal Desert. But she is not easy to find. Her lair is inside a single crystalline grain of sand. It would take you a million lifetimes to comb the desert and you would still never find her. Only those who Ascend will find the portal that takes them to her.

Notice the wording? “Her lair is inside a single crystalline grain of sand.” That doesn’t translate into “her lair is the size of a single grain of sand” but more along the lines of the magical warping of space. Although there is the portal part of the quote too, so maybe the lair is actually hidden and the single grain of sand is akin to an asuran waygate or something of that sort.

We DO need to eventually figure out what happened with Gleam, where is he and all that jazz, but claiming him to be masquerading around as a mursaat is baseless at best and a denial of established lore at it’s worst.

DarcShriek.5829:

Feanor.2358:

Why would Gleam care about masquerading as a mursaat? What does it gain him?

It keeps him hidden. Primordus has already tried to kill him. Why would Gleam’s mother lie about her lair being the size of a single grain of sand?

Also, his mother had a keen interest in the mursaat. He may know a lot about them.

If that was the motivation, there are still a million better choices than Mursaat. Better to pick a race that everyone doesn’t hate if the only motive is to hide your identity. As for the grain of sand thing, think of it like the TARDIS from doctor who.

DarcShriek.5829:

The only creatures that we know of that can absorb the magic from the bloodstone explosion are gods and dragons. There is no example of anything else ever absorbing that much magic and surviving.

Kormir was a human when she absorbed magic, not a god. So that should be “humans and dragons” not “gods and dragons” (it should also be noted that we do not have a known case of a god absorbing magic – the closest would be Grenth, a half-god half-human).

Furthermore: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shadowstone

Followed by: Risking our agent in the Durmand Priory seems to have paid off. They got those scholars some crusty old artifacts that have finally gotten the juices flowing!

So the Seers had artifacts allowing one to healthily absorbed magic (this is what we did with Burden of Choice, with us being exposed to too much ley line magic it was becoming unhealthy, the Shadowstone helped us absorb that remnant magic without side effects), and the White Mantle absconded some Seer artifacts in experimenting with the bloodstone. Wouldn’t be far fetched to think a Shadowstone was among them.

DarcShriek.5829:

It keeps him hidden. Primordus has already tried to kill him. Why would Gleam’s mother lie about her lair being the size of a single grain of sand?

Also, his mother had a keen interest in the mursaat. He may know a lot about them.

1. How would a large dragon the size of a room become a small humanoid who’s only slightly bigger than a norn (so ~10 ft tall)?

That’s more than what a mere illusion can pull off.

2. If Gleam has managed to hide for 250 years from the Elder Dragons, why expose himself now just so he can hide? That’s silly.

Besides, by absorbing more magic, Gleam makes himself a bigger target, and more importantly, more magic means it’s harder for him to hide, since Elder Dragons can sense magic. So going out to absorb a bloodstone’s worth of magic would only leave Gleam more of a target than before.

3. Glint didn’t so much have an interest in the mursaat as she foresaw their destruction, foresaw them trying to rule the world and wanted to prevent such. With their destruction, she would have no more interest in them, no doubt.

4. If Lazarus was any allied force in the first place, why wouldn’t he reveal his true self during Dragon Vigil? Why lie to the Pact Commander and Exalted? If he were Gleam, revealing himself at that point – when there were no White Mantle leagues nearby – would do nothing but solidify the alliance he was trying to make with the PC.

If he were Jennah, E, Kasmeer, Livia, Anise, or any other such previously allied force, why not reveal such to the PC when there’s no one but similarly previously allied forces around? Why keep the masquerade up? It serves no purpose but to make them a potential enemy of arguably the strongest individual in the world.

And if someone were smart enough to trick the White Mantle so well by researching Lazarus, finding the WM base, and getting Bauer to organize WM heads to perform the ritual that exploded the bloodstone and allowed “Lazarus” to consume that magic, then “Lazarus” would be smart enough to know that getting on the Pact Commander’s bad side is the dumbest idea in the world.

TL;DR

It makes zero sense for whoever “Lazarus” is to be a previously established ally – whether or not they’re an ally still. Whoever “Lazarus” is, is either a previously established enemy, Lazarus himself, or a new individual entering the scene.

I wouldn’t classify Livia as an ally just yet. At least, not from her perspective. I’d guess she would see the PC as a fairly new adventurer, not yet proven trustworthy when it comes to the protection of Kryta and the Krytan Monarch.

I think our dealing with the White Mantle and Caudecus would prove that we’re allies to Livia.

Plus, recently (as in since Season 2) ArenaNet seemed to have been definitely pushing towards the “Anise=Livia” theory. Which if so, then definitely allies.

Besides all that, however, Livia is against the Elder Dragons (per Sea of Sorrows novel) and the Pact Commander is definitely the strongest force against them.

And besides that, Livia would never – without completely destroying everything about her built up til now at least – disguise herself as mursaat or White Mantle long enough to pull off being a fake Lazarus. While cunning, she’s always shown as more direct in her dealings with the White Mantle, and would rather see them dead than use them as a resource which “Lazarus” is doing.

@castlemanic and Moonyeti, on Glint’s Lair- in Edge of Destiny we find out that the grain of sand thing is straight-up disinformation. Destiny’s Edge managed to end up right in the middle of it while still thinking they were in the open desert, no portals involved. They’re unclear as to what the actual magic hiding the sanctuary was, but it seemed to be a complex form of illusion.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Besides, by absorbing more magic, Gleam makes himself a bigger target, and more importantly, more magic means it’s harder for him to hide, since Elder Dragons can sense magic. So going out to absorb a bloodstone’s worth of magic would only leave Gleam more of a target than before.

I agree with your main point-although shapeshifting into something much smaller isn’t entirely out of the question, it would be ridiculous for a Gleam-Lazarus not to reveal himself when surrounded by her newborn sister and her mother’s most devoted servants- but do we know that the Elder Dragons have some ability to sense magic a la the Rata Novan maps? Off the top of my head, the only time we’ve seen them home in on magic is Mordremoth in S2 and Primordus’ recent crossing of the continent, and both of them have explanations other than magic omniscience. Primordus might have been following the surge in the ley lines back to its source, and given that Mordremoth’s tendrils seem to have extended beneath the entire continent, the Priory caravans that got attacked were fairly close. Being able to pick up the ‘scent’ at that range doesn’t mean that Jormag or Kralkatorrik would be able to detect a more potent signature from the far side of the map.

3. Glint didn’t so much have an interest in the mursaat as she foresaw their destruction, foresaw them trying to rule the world and wanted to prevent such. With their destruction, she would have no more interest in them, no doubt.

Depends on how far her foresight went. If she foresaw any survivors playing a pivotal role in events to come? I could see her passing that on to Gleam before she died.

And besides that, Livia would never – without completely destroying everything about her built up til now at least – disguise herself as mursaat or White Mantle long enough to pull off being a fake Lazarus. While cunning, she’s always shown as more direct in her dealings with the White Mantle, and would rather see them dead than use them as a resource which “Lazarus” is doing.

I’m not sold there- that “always” is drawn from the course of a single year, which was more than 250 years ago, and even then Livia had very few interactions with the Mantle. In part because she was a hero, her dealings in both EotN and WiK were almost entirely with the asura. We never got a sense of how she preferred to deal with the Mantle, certainly not a strong enough one to call it a basis of “everything about her built up til now.”

Mike O’Brien is lazarus

Aaron Ansari.1604:

@castlemanic and Moonyeti, on Glint’s Lair- in Edge of Destiny we find out that the grain of sand thing is straight-up disinformation. Destiny’s Edge managed to end up right in the middle of it while still thinking they were in the open desert, no portals involved. They’re unclear as to what the actual magic hiding the sanctuary was, but it seemed to be a complex form of illusion.

True, except for Hidden Arcana shows us that it isn’t entirely disinformation.

In Hidden Arcana, we travel via the hourglass into that pocket dimension within a grain of sand.

The novel, by all indication, was taking place not in the main inner sanctum where we fought the facets and met Glint in GW1, but the outer sanctum, which would be the mission outpost in GW1. And that mission outpost showed something potentially resembling a portal – leading to a place much like where we went in Hidden Arcana.

In other words, Glint had a quadruple security system going on. First, an illusion to hide the entryway. Second, the shared-thoughts canyon that DE went through (and we somehow ignored, perhaps because Glint teleported us to her outer sanctum from the Hall of Ascension). Third, a pocket dimension of sorts. And finally, the six facets.

Because Glint went out to meet them, Destiny’s Edge had no need to go into the pocket dimension, thus they only bypassed the first two security systems.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

do we know that the Elder Dragons have some ability to sense magic a la the Rata Novan maps? Off the top of my head, the only time we’ve seen them home in on magic is Mordremoth in S2 and Primordus’ recent crossing of the continent, and both of them have explanations other than magic omniscience.

Not suggesting omniscience, but being able to sense powerful magic.

IIRC, there are a handful of events in the core game depicting destroyers, risen, and icebrood all being attracted by magic.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Primordus might have been following the surge in the ley lines back to its source, and given that Mordremoth’s tendrils seem to have extended beneath the entire continent, the Priory caravans that got attacked were fairly close. Being able to pick up the ‘scent’ at that range doesn’t mean that Jormag or Kralkatorrik would be able to detect a more potent signature from the far side of the map.

You’re comparing a pebble to a mountain, in terms of the amount of magic that the Priory caravans had compared to Lazarus post-Bloodstone absorption.

While I wouldn’t say that Jormag or Kralkatorrik could pinpoint Lazarus’ exact location from across the continent, I’d say it’s very likely that they can sense a new (presuming that Bloodstones are indeed invisible to the Elder Dragons, given their lack of assaulting them so far) and large source of magic from far away in the west (for K) / southwest (for J) / north (for P).

If they or their minions were to get closer, then by proximity being able to tell where the “new and huge source of magic” is would proportionally improve. Suffice it to say, I’d say that it would be enough for an Elder Dragon to send a powerful dragon champion. And if Gleam had been hiding, he wouldn’t make such a move as to intentionally draw the attention of those he was hiding from.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

In Hidden Arcana, we travel via the hourglass into that pocket dimension within a grain of sand.

Right you are. I wasn’t paying enough attention to the surroundings my first time through… and the combat was irksome enough that I never cared to go back.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

DarcShriek.5829:

The only creatures that we know of that can absorb the magic from the bloodstone explosion are gods and dragons. There is no example of anything else ever absorbing that much magic and surviving.

Kormir was a human when she absorbed magic, not a god. So that should be “humans and dragons” not “gods and dragons” (it should also be noted that we do not have a known case of a god absorbing magic – the closest would be Grenth, a half-god half-human).

Furthermore: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shadowstone

Followed by: Risking our agent in the Durmand Priory seems to have paid off. They got those scholars some crusty old artifacts that have finally gotten the juices flowing!

So the Seers had artifacts allowing one to healthily absorbed magic (this is what we did with Burden of Choice, with us being exposed to too much ley line magic it was becoming unhealthy, the Shadowstone helped us absorb that remnant magic without side effects), and the White Mantle absconded some Seer artifacts in experimenting with the bloodstone. Wouldn’t be far fetched to think a Shadowstone was among them.

DarcShriek.5829:

It keeps him hidden. Primordus has already tried to kill him. Why would Gleam’s mother lie about her lair being the size of a single grain of sand?

Also, his mother had a keen interest in the mursaat. He may know a lot about them.

1. How would a large dragon the size of a room become a small humanoid who’s only slightly bigger than a norn (so ~10 ft tall)?

That’s more than what a mere illusion can pull off.

2. If Gleam has managed to hide for 250 years from the Elder Dragons, why expose himself now just so he can hide? That’s silly.

Besides, by absorbing more magic, Gleam makes himself a bigger target, and more importantly, more magic means it’s harder for him to hide, since Elder Dragons can sense magic. So going out to absorb a bloodstone’s worth of magic would only leave Gleam more of a target than before.

3. Glint didn’t so much have an interest in the mursaat as she foresaw their destruction, foresaw them trying to rule the world and wanted to prevent such. With their destruction, she would have no more interest in them, no doubt.

4. If Lazarus was any allied force in the first place, why wouldn’t he reveal his true self during Dragon Vigil? Why lie to the Pact Commander and Exalted? If he were Gleam, revealing himself at that point – when there were no White Mantle leagues nearby – would do nothing but solidify the alliance he was trying to make with the PC.

If he were Jennah, E, Kasmeer, Livia, Anise, or any other such previously allied force, why not reveal such to the PC when there’s no one but similarly previously allied forces around? Why keep the masquerade up? It serves no purpose but to make them a potential enemy of arguably the strongest individual in the world.

And if someone were smart enough to trick the White Mantle so well by researching Lazarus, finding the WM base, and getting Bauer to organize WM heads to perform the ritual that exploded the bloodstone and allowed “Lazarus” to consume that magic, then “Lazarus” would be smart enough to know that getting on the Pact Commander’s bad side is the dumbest idea in the world.

TL;DR

It makes zero sense for whoever “Lazarus” is to be a previously established ally – whether or not they’re an ally still. Whoever “Lazarus” is, is either a previously established enemy, Lazarus himself, or a new individual entering the scene.

If you agree with Taimi that all magic is dragon magic, your Kormir example might be valid. However, I seem to recall that you doubted that theory. There seems to be examples of divine magic also. The creation of the exalted would be an example of the use of divine magic. The magic that Kormir absorbed from abaddon would definitely be an example of divine magic. Absorbtion of divine magic appears to be survivable.

However, the magic in the bloodstone was not divine magic. The affect it had on all mortals was insanity and death. There is no way Kasmeer, or any other human could have survived it.

I wouldn’t necessarily mark the Exalted as tied to divine magic (though that is a strong probability). Still, however, magic is magic in the end and there’s nothing that says a mortal – let alone a mursaat – cannot safely absorb huge quantities of magic.

Especially when we have devices specifically designed to allow mortals to safely absorb and handle huge quantities of magic (again: Shadowstone). And we even have mention of a specific ritual, meaning that it wasn’t just a case of “I’m going to expose myself to a ton of magic and hope for the best”.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I wouldn’t necessarily mark the Exalted as tied to divine magic (though that is a strong probability). Still, however, magic is magic in the end and there’s nothing that says a mortal – let alone a mursaat – cannot safely absorb huge quantities of magic.

Especially when we have devices specifically designed to allow mortals to safely absorb and handle huge quantities of magic (again: Shadowstone). And we even have mention of a specific ritual, meaning that it wasn’t just a case of “I’m going to expose myself to a ton of magic and hope for the best”.

If magic is basically magic, then please explain why the dragon’s cannot corrupt the exalted? The magic that was used was expressly chosen because of it’s immunity.

DarcShriek.5829:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I wouldn’t necessarily mark the Exalted as tied to divine magic (though that is a strong probability). Still, however, magic is magic in the end and there’s nothing that says a mortal – let alone a mursaat – cannot safely absorb huge quantities of magic.

Especially when we have devices specifically designed to allow mortals to safely absorb and handle huge quantities of magic (again: Shadowstone). And we even have mention of a specific ritual, meaning that it wasn’t just a case of “I’m going to expose myself to a ton of magic and hope for the best”.

If magic is basically magic, then please explain why the dragon’s cannot corrupt the exalted? The magic that was used was expressly chosen because of it’s immunity.

or their bodies (and maybe the entire city) was made with the bloodstones in mind, since the EDs cant tap into that magic either. (wasn’t it glint who taught the elder races how to make bloodstones, I might be wrong there)

Amaimon.7823:

DarcShriek.5829:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I wouldn’t necessarily mark the Exalted as tied to divine magic (though that is a strong probability). Still, however, magic is magic in the end and there’s nothing that says a mortal – let alone a mursaat – cannot safely absorb huge quantities of magic.

Especially when we have devices specifically designed to allow mortals to safely absorb and handle huge quantities of magic (again: Shadowstone). And we even have mention of a specific ritual, meaning that it wasn’t just a case of “I’m going to expose myself to a ton of magic and hope for the best”.

If magic is basically magic, then please explain why the dragon’s cannot corrupt the exalted? The magic that was used was expressly chosen because of it’s immunity.

or their bodies (and maybe the entire city) was made with the bloodstones in mind, since the EDs cant tap into that magic either. (wasn’t it glint who taught the elder races how to make bloodstones, I might be wrong there)

That’s always been attributed to something the Seers figured out on their own.

That said, the Forgotten explicitely set up Tarir and the Exalted because they didn’t have “the divine resources needed to imbue a new Bloodstone”.

DarcShriek.5829:

If magic is basically magic, then please explain why the dragon’s cannot corrupt the exalted? The magic that was used was expressly chosen because of it’s immunity.

Firstly, why Exalted (or indeed, many Forgotten artifacts and magic) cannot be corrupted and can even free the mental corruption is completely unknown. In the same sense, it is completely unknown why the Elder Dragons have completely ignored the massive amount of magic stored in the Bloodstones.

While “the type of magic” – or rather, that it is all related to divinity – is the leading theory, there is technically nothing to indicate such as concrete – your second sentence is complete speculation; not unfounded, but still speculation. For all we know, it is indeed just normal magic but in a part of the “light spectrum” that none of the Elder Dragons want to touch.

vier.1327:

Only a few people know where was the glint’s egg… Kasmer was one of them.

Lazarus needs a phisical body, the ritual link his soul to one body… Kasmer’s body.

If Kasmer was spying the White Mantle, she could be the vessel for the Lazarus rebirth.

Marjory feeled something when she saw Lazarus in the chamber of the egg, she feeled her lover, she feeled Kasmer inside Lazarus.

I think the memories of Lazarus and Kasmer are inside of the Fake Lazarus, trying to take control of the body. That is why Lazarus help us, thanks to the influence of Kasmer.

Kasmeer is currently involved with Mesmer Order affairs, as confirmed by letters from E where he requires her service, as a note.

So Kasmeer wont be Lazarus, like, its literally impossible, E even makes a point of saying her ability to read lies will be important in something he needs her for.

Which would likley be finding out exactly who Lazarus is.

Its literally either going to be Gleam, Balthazar or Joko, because at this point the list is getting surprisingly narrow.

E’s letter doesn’t mention what Kasmeer is doing, just that E wants her to investigate the nobility of DR.

Given where and how we found the letter, it’s highly likely to have never reached her.

And Kasmeer likely won’t be able to tell whether or not Lazarus is lying. It’s not a instant magical thing she has – she’s basically doing the old “read the face to tell lies” technique.

In Heart of Thorns she talks about how she doesn’t know if Ibli and Tizlak are lying because they’re the first Itzel and Nuhoch they’ve encountered, but that after talking to them for a while she’ll “have them figured out”.

Kasmeer Meade: These new hylek are hard to read, but they seem truthful. A little more time and I’ll have a handle on them.

Hell, even in Season 2 when her “lying detection” first came into play, she talks about Morning’s body posture and face, rather than saying “it’s magic yo”.

Kasmeer Meade: I hate to speak ill of the dead, but that Zephyrite was lying.
Marjory Delaqua: About what?
Kasmeer Meade: Don’t get me wrong. She was very afraid for the Master of Peace. But when she said she didn’t know why he was in danger…I could tell. She was lying.
Marjory Delaqua: Why would she lie? Are you sure?
Kasmeer Meade: Absolutely. It was in her posture and in her eyes. She didn’t give us the whole truth.

Lastly, during Party Politics (as horrid as that was for an “investigation” plot), when you miss Estelle lying during the second conversation, Kasmeer says:

Kasmeer: Hold on, <Character name>. Did you see her eye twitch? I don’t think you should trust her.

Kasmeer: Her eye twitched when she said that. I don’t think it’s the truth.

Kasmeer has no super powers when it comes to lie detection. ArenaNet suddenly wrote in that she could read facial expressions and body movements very well, without any explanation as to why (which is why folks think that it’s some magical super power).

Lazarus, being a mursaat, would – like the hylek – be unknown to Kasmeer. Furthermore, he wears a mask, so she’s without facial expressions as well. This would make figuring him out a difficult task – one she’d get eventually, but it won’t be a case of “first time they interact, Kasmeer knows he lies” case.

wow sadly this one is already debunked

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

wow sadly this one is already debunked

Not Lazarus but she knows who Lazarus is.

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

wow sadly this one is already debunked

It was never debunkable because it was never a serious option. It was a farfetched bird have a farfetched idea about the most farfetched scenario ever. Literally the only argument it had was “we haven’t seen kasmeer yet” which is as good as an argument as “well, we haven’t koss in a few 250 years either”

But on a serious note, her shock means it’s someone kasmeer knows (close) so I’m guessing it’s Kyle now

Who is Kyle?

Randulf.7614:

Who is Kyle?

Kyle is the brother of Kasmeer who get her entire generation of Meade’s into the sewer. he was originally only a theoretical character to give Kasmeer a tragic background, but this is a good window to actually use him for the story.

Amaimon.7823:

Randulf.7614:

Who is Kyle?

Kyle is the brother of Kasmeer who get her entire generation of Meade’s into the sewer. he was originally only a theoretical character to give Kasmeer a tragic background, but this is a good window to actually use him for the story.

That would a terrible way to bring in a character the vast majority of the playerbase has never really heard of. To build all this up and it to be essentially a nobody, would be a huge anti-climax and let down.

Randulf.7614:

Amaimon.7823:

Randulf.7614:

Who is Kyle?

Kyle is the brother of Kasmeer who get her entire generation of Meade’s into the sewer. he was originally only a theoretical character to give Kasmeer a tragic background, but this is a good window to actually use him for the story.

That would a terrible way to bring in a character the vast majority of the playerbase has never really heard of. To build all this up and it to be essentially a nobody, would be a huge anti-climax and let down.

You’re the vast majority of the playerbase? not my fault you don’t read dialogue

Amaimon.7823:

Randulf.7614:

Amaimon.7823:

Randulf.7614:

Who is Kyle?

Kyle is the brother of Kasmeer who get her entire generation of Meade’s into the sewer. he was originally only a theoretical character to give Kasmeer a tragic background, but this is a good window to actually use him for the story.

That would a terrible way to bring in a character the vast majority of the playerbase has never really heard of. To build all this up and it to be essentially a nobody, would be a huge anti-climax and let down.

You’re the vast majority of the playerbase? not my fault you don’t read dialogue

No I’m not nor did I say I was, but I’m pretty confident in my saying most ppl wont have heard of this character as I would expect players to have forgotten any mentions of someone who is barely mentioned up to this point.

I’m not saying you aren’t wrong with your guess, but it’s def not a char which will have any significant impact as a reveal, which means if you are right, it’s going to fall dead flat.

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

wow sadly this one is already debunked

HAH! Oh ye of little imagination. Clearly, Lazarus is not only Kasmeer, but Kasmeer from the future, going back in time after becoming evil!

This was hinted at for a long time after all. Who here PvPs? Probably not many, but ever been to the much hated Skyhammer? Ever seen the loading screen? That’s right: That’s evil Kasmeer fighting healed Taimi! That PvP map is a partial fractal of the future!

The division of Dragon’s Watch and Kasmeer’s descent into evil has been hinted at for years and no one noticed!

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

wow sadly this one is already debunked

HAH! Oh ye of little imagination. Clearly, Lazarus is not only Kasmeer, but Kasmeer from the future, going back in time after becoming evil!

This was hinted at for a long time after all. Who here PvPs? Probably not many, but ever been to the much hated Skyhammer? Ever seen the loading screen? That’s right: That’s evil Kasmeer fighting healed Taimi! That PvP map is a partial fractal of the future!

The division of Dragon’s Watch and Kasmeer’s descent into evil has been hinted at for years and no one noticed!

oh right flash point duh. :P

Well… at least we try…

Kyle Meade maybe?

TBH, would be weird as hell to bring in a literally inconsequential, never seen before, rarely mentioned, almost-copy-of-Saul individual.

It might as well be one of Marjory’s other sisters (there were three sisters, iirc, one’s dead and two unaccounted for) if it were to be Kyle. Or heck, might as well be Rytlock’s father’s brother’s wife’s daughter’s cousin. It’d be equally contrived.

Some people now think Kyle because of Kasmeer’s line “No, it can’t be…” but that line doesn’t have to be about Lazarus’ identity.