Guild Wars 2

Im just theory crafting but is it possible they are related? In GW1 Kraits and Forgotten looked nothing alike; also kraits looked very different too .

According to the wiki the Forgotten were devout followers of the human gods. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Forgotten

The Forgotten concept art looks kind of like a GW1 Krait http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Krait_Devouss

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Naga the Naga are said to resemble the the forgotten, and in GW2 the krait look like the GW1 Naga and lost the transform ability. Anet says the relationship with forgotten and krait is unknown but nether are related to the naga.

Could the krait have been a extremist faction of Forgotten that became more extreme over time? Jotun stories never talk about krait they could have been the same thing in their time.

Forgotten like the sylvari are immune to elder dragon corruption except maybe mentally the, some forgotten might have been tricked for the sake of greed and power this could have made some of them vulnerable to elder dragon corruption. You don’t need a dragon to make you want power or be greedy, there is a skill point in bloodtide coast that promises you character both. Krait had an orb of unknown origin that granted them immunity to Zhaitan.

I probably worded half the stuff badly that I wanted to say .

So similarities both. rabidly devout to religion, serpintine, have access to magic that grants them immunity to a dragon(s), old race. Both don’t take kindly to defamation of beliefs. (Forgotten were hellbent on killing all of the margonites for defacing the shrines of the gods.)
Both good at magic they had healers, Eles, mesmers and necros.

Things not alike GW1 krait transform unlike GW1 forgotten. Krait have been reconned maybe Anet wants them to be more interesting like the jotun, mursaat and charr.
Krait are super xenophobic and forgotten are kinda friendly. Cant think of anything else.

Krait are from the ocean, and were being pushed to land during EotN. By GW2 time, DSD has pushed most of the krait to land, which is where their current locations are. Forgotten are up in the air to some extent, but one idea is that the Gods brought them to Tyria like the humans. A different idea is that they’ve been on Tyria even before that, because they helped release Glint from Kralkatorrik’s influence. Which brings us to the immunity part; Krait had the orb, which has an unknown origin (probably only one, or few, DSD related?). They can still be corrupted otherwise. Forgotten, for all we know, are not immune, but do have the power to reverse corruption (as shown with Glint and Arah Forgotten path).
I think what’s confusing is that we have three snake-like races that aren’t related.

@Mike: A few things:

• Nothing really says that was concept art of the Forgotten really – all we know is that it is titled “Serpent”. But even if it was, I mean, this is a devourer – one thing Prophecies had was that very early concept art didn’t really look like the in-game model.
• I would hardly say the naga resemble Forgotten – keep in mind that the manual transcripts are written from in-universe perspectives and thus are fallible. Those “Tyrian visitors” likely never actually saw a Forgotten, and as such were going off of descriptions of them or the whole “they’re snakemen” idea. They don’t resemble each other at all in actuality.
• “Anet says the relationship with forgotten and krait is unknown but nether are related to the naga.” I don’t recall this said. Can we get a source? I mean, Forgotten have 4 arms, krait (except one form in EotN) have 2. And I don’t recall it ever being said the krait are unrelated to the naga.
• The jotun have no records of ever being off of continental Tyria. They don’t include mentions of djinn or karka surviving the last Elder Dragon rising, but those two sentient races certainly did – presumably in Elona.
• Forgotten are not immune to dragon corruption, neither physically nor mentally. At least as far as we know. They just deviced/discovered a spell which gave minions free will again. Reversal (kind of sort of) is not the same as immunity.

One thing you forgot which Mystic brings up is that krait are aquatic. Forgotten are not (otherwise they wouldn’t be able to survive in a desert).

@Mystic Starfish: Actually, we don’t know why they were on the shores in Eye of the North. They were pushed ashore 50 years ago, not 250 years ago.

My bad, I knew something was up since that one krait discussion thread about the redesign

@Konig:

On the concept art: Keep in mind that in the Prophecies manuscripts, the Forgotten were referred to as “serpents” – that particular artwork probably is intended to represent a Forgotten. However, it could be some Ascalonian artist’s imagination of something they’ve never seen, interpreting descriptions of the flaps of skin under the arms of a Forgotten as something much more winglike.

On Forgotten immunity – they also appear to have a means of conferring immunity, to magical artifacts at least, as well as cleansing. Like getting Infusion from the seers, though, there’s a good chance that this is the result of a magic they’ve discovered rather than an innate ability.

• Nothing really says that was concept art of the Forgotten really – all we know is that it is titled “Serpent”. But even if it was, I mean, this is a devourer – one thing Prophecies had was that very early concept art didn’t really look like the in-game model.

The GW2 the wiki picture description of the Forgotten shows that picture so it gives the impression that it is concept art of Forgotten even if it is just meant to be a random flying snake.

In universe someone could have made the mural of serpent, but what inspired it a description of a krait elementalist or healer? Or are all or some of the in game concept art irrelevant?

• I would hardly say the naga resemble Forgotten – keep in mind that the manual transcripts are written from in-universe perspectives and thus are fallible. Those “Tyrian visitors” likely never actually saw a Forgotten, and as such were going off of descriptions of them or the whole “they’re snakemen” idea. They don’t resemble each other at all in actuality.

But why would a Tyrian say they resemble on another unless at least one of them has encountered both of the exotic species to compare them with each other.

• “Anet says the relationship with forgotten and krait is unknown but nether are related to the naga.” I don’t recall this said.

I dont know if anet said it but i was paraphrasing what the GW2 wiki says on the Forgotten. The history page doesn’t show who added that line but It doesn’t appear before one of your edits, you are the expert so i assume you or someone else got it from a reliable source.
(Though there are other serpentine races, such as the krait and naga, the forgotten are said to come from the Mists, and are not related to the naga. Their relation, if any, to the krait is unknown. )

Can we get a source? I mean, Forgotten have 4 arms, krait (except one form in EotN) Anet likes reconning stuff.

according to wiki
forgotten + naga = no relation
forgotten + Krait = Unknown??
Krait + naga = Unknown??

• The jotun have no records of ever being off of continental Tyria. They don’t include mentions of djinn or karka surviving the last Elder Dragon rising, but those two sentient races certainly did – presumably in Elona.

• Forgotten are not immune to dragon corruption, neither physically nor mentally. At least as far as we know. They just deviced/discovered a spell which gave minions free will again. Reversal (kind of sort of) is not the same as immunity.

Someone edited wiki then to make it look like immunity was a fact. Maybe they do have some special magic though because they are analogous to the sylvari and had to face glint head on somehow in order to get her to be purified without being corrupted or killed by her.

@Drax: True and true.

@Mike:

• Wikis can be edited by the fanbase, so it shouldn’t be taken as a word of truth. Rather than looking at concept art, one should look at the in-game models, which one can easily see on GWW’s Forgotten article. This is what a Forgotten really looks like.
• Like Drax said, it could have merely been an interpretation of an artist who never saw any snake-like being, but only heard/read descriptions. Given that the krait serpent model shares the frame of Kuunavang and Saltspray Dragons, and neither the krait nor Kuunavang/Saltsprays were a twinkle in the developers’ mind’s eye, I wouldn’t put any weight on it in regards to Forgotten or concept art being tied to either.
• It’s a rather heavy fact that no one living had seen the Forgotten since Turai’s time (and those people all died) until our PCs go to the Crystal Desert. Prior to then, it’d be since they retreated to the Crystal Desert. The resemblance likely came from hearing descriptions or seeing depictions of them. I mean, someone who never seen an elephant or a mammoth in person will still say they resemble each other.
• The wiki article merely states that we don’t know if there is or isn’t a relation between krait and forgotten – as in, it never came up. It is unknown to us, the players simply because it never came up yet. You saying ArenaNet said it is unknown is like saying they’re giving an implication that there is a relationship. ArenaNet never touched the subject as far as I know.
• ArenaNet only retcons the historical records. They haven’t retconned something we’ve seen.
• As drax said, I forgot that they had magic to prevent corruption, but still it is not an innate ability like the sylvari. It is just their kind of magic. Means-of-prevention and mental-reversal is not the same as innate immunity. So they’re not that analogous to the sylvari, who are innately “immune” (but will die if corruption touches them).

On a side note – early artwork of Devourer looks amazing ;p

The Ventari Tablet isn’t magical in any way. It wouldn’t have freed the sylvari. Especially since the Pale Tree (and magical trees are not that unique in the world, BTW, nor are overgrown trees) is older than the Ventari Tablet.