Guild Wars 2

So I’ve come up with this odd theory of the possibility of these three iconic figures, Lady Glaive, Livia, and Anise in Guildwars 1/2 could actually be the same person. I already have seen many other post depicting Livia could possibly be Anise in disguise due to their vendetta against the white mantle and the unknown abilities of the Scepter of Orr considering the Lich could also make illusions of himself, the possibility of immortality, the unknown power of the bloodstone, her associations with Gad to help obtain power to protect Kryta for Queen Salma, and Anise quotes with Canach depicting that she may be a lot older then she may seem with her position as protector of the royal family in Divinity’s Reach. Although what if the events transpired even further than that with Livia actually having been Lady Glaive the Corsair of the Queen of Fools. While Lady Glaive, lore-wise, have associations with Kourna and Orr; defeating the king Zoran therefore hiring her to become Orr’s navy coordinator, the story of one of her crew mates Fendi Nin betraying the crew with the help of the “kings adviser”; The lich or Vizier Khilbron maybe?, and trapping their souls in the Shards of Orr, with the exception of herself whereby her fate has remained unknown. I will say many of Livia’s associations from Gadd, the location of the Shards of Orr dungeon, wanting to obtain power of the bloodstone to protect Kryta, the undead Lich connection to Orr; caused by Abaddon, the charr scaring Queen Salma’s family into hiding by the Charr; caused by Abaddon, Evennia leader of the shining blade giving Vizier_Khilbron the Sceptor of Orr, the Mursaat and White Mantle taking over the Kryta region sacrificing souls to increase the power of the bloodstone, and no one knowing where Salma were hiding during all of this. All of it just seem to just have something in common to me…

Also as a defense for my theory that Vizier Khilbron was the adviser that aided Fendi Nin is that it’s quite possible that he became the adviser to King Rezza after Zoran had resigned his mantle.

Also if you consider Fendi Nin’s undead form, it could be in relationship to Vizier Khilbron necromancer abilities before he became the Lich.

In my defense for the Lady Glaive and Livia connection for her immortality and old age is due to the magical energies that washed the Tarnished Coast shores after the Cataclysm; caused by Vizier Khilbron, due to the lost scrolls.

I don’t know, but what do you think about this theory…?

Also here are the links associated with the theory:
Lady Glaive: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Lady_Glaive
Shard’s of Orr: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Shards_of_Orr
King Zoran: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/King_Zoran

The Sinking of Orr:
Orr: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Orr
King Reza: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/King_Reza
The Charr Invasion: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Charr_invasion
Vizier Khilbron: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Vizier_Khilbron

Scepter of Orr:
Vizier Khilbron: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Vizier_Khilbron
Evennia: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Evennia

Shining Blade and the Royal Family:
King Jadon: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/King_Jadon
Salma: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Salma
Evennia: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Evennia

The White Mantle take over Kryta:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/White_Mantle
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mursaat
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Bloodstone

The Bloodstone:
Livia: Livia: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Livia
Bloodstone: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Bloodstone

Livia and Vizier Khilbron semi immortality?:
The Cataclysm: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Cataclysm
Shards of Orr: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Shards_of_Orr

Fendi Nin connection to The Lich:
Fendi Nin: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Fendi_Nin
The Lich: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Lich

Guildwars2 Anise Theory:
Livia: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Livia
Countess Anise: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Countess_Anise

I’m not convinced. There are common elements, yes, but that’s because it’s the same story- nothing you’ve listed or cited above could account for Glaive abruptly becoming a fanatic Krytan patriot. Even if she did somehow know of Abaddon’s connection to her maybe-betrayer, that vendetta would’ve been finished three years at the point we meet Livia. And how would she know that Abaddon is behind all those things, anyway? We didn’t until we met all the witnesses he left cluttering up his home.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

I’m not convinced. There are common elements, yes, but that’s because it’s the same story- nothing you’ve listed or cited above could account for Glaive abruptly becoming a fanatic Krytan patriot. Even if she did somehow know of Abaddon’s connection to her maybe-betrayer, that vendetta would’ve been finished three years at the point we meet Livia. And how would she know that Abaddon is behind all those things, anyway? We didn’t until we met all the witnesses he left cluttering up his home.

Thank you Aaron Ansari for commenting.

I will state that it is true that i cannot depict the events that would transform Glaive of becoming a fanatic Krytan patriot, but neither are the events on when the formation of the shining blade was established can be depicted either. While Evennia may have led the shining blade it doesn’t mean that she was it’s creator. There were also many events that had taken place prior of the original Prophecies story line involving the third guildwars between Kryta; taken over by the White Mantle, Ascalon, and Orr; King Rezza attempting to bring peace to to both factions. The events that transpired after King Jadon had gone into hiding, abandoning Kryta, while fleeing with a likely younger queen Salma due to the prior Charr invasion; causing the White Mantle to take over as a result, is not depicted as well. However considering that the shining blade doesn’t have a clear description of when it was formed, nor is there an exact time of the creation of the White Mantle it is possible that Glaive/Livia, WARNING SPECULATION, could have residence in Kryta during the events of the first two guildwars. I would also like to state that while many of these events cannot be depicted it does not mean that they did not occur lore-wise.

In terms of Abaddon, it’s highly likely Livia/Glaive wouldn’t know anything about the events that transpired. A perfect example would be Shiro Tagashi who was influenced by the fortune teller that the emperor would betray him. Shiro didn’t know that the fortune teller was an agent of Abaddon but was still influenced by the event towards the extent that he became so paranoid that he assassinated the emperor. The same goes for the Charr Shaman’s who influenced the rest of there race to serve the Titans that would eventually lead up to the Cataclysm. The final and most important example would be Vizier Khilbron whom was persuaded by Terick; that was actually Razakel in disguise which is a servant of Abaddon, into using dark magic causing the sinking of Orr. In other words Glaive/Livia wouldn’t have to know anything about Abaddon to be influenced by the events of it’s actions.

Last but not least while Glaive may have found out that Fendl Nin had betrayed her; making her the sole survivor of her crew, it doesn’t mean that she would know his contact nor that it was actually the adviser of King Zoran. In my opinion, she could’ve thought that it was the King himself that wanted to get rid of her therefore rendering her to never return back to Orr.

Anyway thank you everyone for reading, and tell me what you think!

Here are the sources:
The Shining Blade: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Shining_Blade
The White Mantle: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/White_mantle
Evennia: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Evennia

Abaddon’s Influence:
Vizier Khilbron: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Vizier_Khilbron
Titan: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Titan
Terick: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Terick
Razakel: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Razakel

Abaddon’s Influence in Factions:
Fortune Teller: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Fortune_Teller
Shiro: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Shiro

Lady Glaive has a Chapel in Orr

It has a coffin in the middle, iirc, so I am fairly certain that’d be Glaive’s grave.

Plus, Livia was very much normal during EN/WiK and very much indicates during Sea of Sorrows that she gained her magical longevity via studying in Orr and studying the Scepter of Orr (stuff she did after Eye of the North and, supposedly, after War in Kryta).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Lady Glaive has a Chapel in Orr

It has a coffin in the middle, iirc, so I am fairly certain that’d be Glaive’s grave.

Plus, Livia was very much normal during EN/WiK and very much indicates during Sea of Sorrows that she gained her magical longevity via studying in Orr and studying the Scepter of Orr (stuff she did after Eye of the North and, supposedly, after War in Kryta).

Thank you for posting Konig Des Todes.

Are you sure theirs anything still inside the coffin!!!! No lol just joking. :P

I didn’t have any information on the tomb in Gw2, thank you for clearing things up.

Well with that said there goes the theory, but still I’m quite curious what do all of you think about the theory, would it be cool if Anet had gone with an idea like this for Livia?

Well, seeing as the third Guild War began three years before Glaive was driven from Elona, she definitely wasn’t around for the first two, but I think I get what you’re driving at. You’re saying she might have been with Kryta before the White Mantle formed, right?

I guess my next question would be when you think Glaive became immortal (more or less.) The theory is that Livia’s lifespan is due to the Scepter of Orr, which she didn’t possess until after EotN. For Livia to be Glaive, she’d have to be at least 77 years old by the time we met her, before she got her hands on what we think keeps her from aging. Yet she looks, to me, to be no older than 30.

EDIT: Didn’t see Konig’s post or your response. Although now that he mentions it, I think there is a champion female pirate captain who hangs out in the chapel…

Lady Glaive is not Livia. In Guild Wars, there was a Ritualist binding ritual named “Destructive Was Glaive” (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Destructive_Was_Glaive).

As you may know, the Ritualist profession traficked with the dead, and the binding ritual skills temporarily summoned the ashes of dead heroes. Glaive is dead, and her body is ash.