Guild Wars 2

at the end of “eye of the north” you can see Livia grabbing the Scepter of Orr after the Pale tree start to birth. Any Dev can explain the implication in Gw2 those success.
thanks

The wiki indicates there hasn’t been any follow-up with that, and the developers themselves may not have had any real plan with it when they added it in:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Livia#Notes

If they have something in mind for it by now, I doubt they’d spill the beans here.

I had honestly expected it to play a part in War in Kryta, but it never reared it’s ugly head. I don’t know timeline wise if she found it before or after though.

Ofc they got no plans wqith Livia, that’s sooo sillyyy..

Like the pink themed GW2 ‘scholar with a fan’ concept art, that’s just fan made, ofc that’s definitely not a mesmer, we won’t have mesmer. 3 years later that was verifyed to be a leaked concept art.

Arenanet is shady.

I don’t think ArenaNet ever actually claimed it was fan made or that it wasn’t a mesmer – that was just the mesmer-haters trying to persuade others and, probably, mostly themselves that it could be something else. ArenaNet just refused to confirm it.

its a shame they lacking in lore experts that can connect they own story.

draxynnic.3719:

I don’t think ArenaNet ever actually claimed it was fan made or that it wasn’t a mesmer – that was just the mesmer-haters trying to persuade others and, probably, mostly themselves that it could be something else. ArenaNet just refused to confirm it.

They refused to admit for years, and in 2012 the confirmed it.

Gandarel.5091:

draxynnic.3719:

I don’t think ArenaNet ever actually claimed it was fan made or that it wasn’t a mesmer – that was just the mesmer-haters trying to persuade others and, probably, mostly themselves that it could be something else. ArenaNet just refused to confirm it.

They refused to admit for years, and in 2012 the confirmed it.

At that time the classes weren’t finalized, they couldn’t know for sure that the mesmer makes it into the game, so if they had admitted it and the mesmer ended up being cut, let’s say because they couldn’t get illusions to work properly or something, then a lot of people would have felt betrayed. Sure the chance of the mesmer not ending up in the game at that point was rather low, but still there, so they just didn’t risk it (or jinx it).

everything in guild wars 1 pretty much got left to rot story wise. i always thought it would have played out in war in kryta and didn’t. maybe we will get something about that when we actually head into the depths of tyria, but i doubt it. GW2 is being treated like a stand alone thing with minor things that don’t need people to understand gw1 thrown in as fan service. i like the little nods, but i still find it odd that all the major plot points from eye of the north never got wrapped up.

if they release any areas up in the isle of janthir area we may get some answers too, but i would imagine it would be a lot of lesser lore like we have already gotten.

i feel like they dropped the ball with characters that were in gw1 that could be old enough to be in gw2 and aren’t here. there is a particular dragon from gw1 that i feel should have been in gw2. it would have been more interesting seeing her battle a dragon than to not be here at all. heck, it would have been a way better tyria with her in it. to have a character’s story play out in a game they want to make a “Living World” is way better than having it play out in a book from this gamer’s perspective. I would have liked to see how big she was now and man she would have been an impressive thing to see in this gorgeous game. To see her fighting another dragon would have been an impressive Dynamic Event.

Eye of the North was done primarily to set up for Guild Wars 2, so it’s likely that at the time at least the team had an idea of what was going to happen with that. It may be something they’ve set aside due to lack of resources – or it may be something that’s still on its way.

If you’re talking about Glint then there is a reason why she is not in GW2. I won’t throw out any spoilers but I will say that you should read the book Guild Wars: Edge of Destiny to find out why she isn’t showing up.

Well, we know that at least she helped Blimm on his necromantic+golemancy experiments.

There is also a Point of Interest in City of Arah named after her, the Salvage of “Lady Livia” which apparently is the name of a Pact Ship. The fact that the Pact names one of their ships after her should mean that she had an impact in history, specially in Orr given how the Pact formation is “caused” by Zhaitan (by the desire of fight all the dragons, but the urgency that formed the Pact was Zhaitan) and sends that ship there.

My personal guess? Wait fot Ree’s new book The Sea of Sorrows. It’s related to the rise of Orr and something tells me that whatever happened with Livia and the Scepter of Orr will be featured there.

Zjoee.3084:

If you’re talking about Glint then there is a reason why she is not in GW2. I won’t throw out any spoilers but I will say that you should read the book Guild Wars: Edge of Destiny to find out why she isn’t showing up.

Anyone doing the story mode of dungeons should know about that at this point. I think it’s explained on the Dredge dungeon IIRC.

Well the staves can be destroyed, as was done in Nightfall with its counterpart, the Staff of the Mists, so I wouldn’t doubt that somebody tried to stop Zhaitan with it and it was destroyed.

Livia was part of the Shining Blade and helped stop the Great Destroyer, so anybody involved with both the overthrowing of the White Mantle and stopping the Destroyer invasion would be famous.

Gandarel.5091:

Ofc they got no plans wqith Livia, that’s sooo sillyyy..

Like the pink themed GW2 ‘scholar with a fan’ concept art, that’s just fan made, ofc that’s definitely not a mesmer, we won’t have mesmer. 3 years later that was verifyed to be a leaked concept art.

Arenanet is shady.

In a game that’s supposed to be continually added to with new content, it’s a good idea to insert a lot of potential plot threads early on, even if you have no plans on when or how it will play out at the time. Plus, their concept artists are known to make stuff without being specifically told to, and while some of that gets added into the game not all of it does. Lastly, sometimes they do have a long-term plan for something that gets scrapped for something different.

I think you’re giving ArenaNet too much credit here. They don’t have some master plan for all the story hooks in the game, they just make it up as they go along.

Primal Zed.9714:

Gandarel.5091:

Ofc they got no plans wqith Livia, that’s sooo sillyyy..

Like the pink themed GW2 ‘scholar with a fan’ concept art, that’s just fan made, ofc that’s definitely not a mesmer, we won’t have mesmer. 3 years later that was verifyed to be a leaked concept art.

Arenanet is shady.

In a game that’s supposed to be continually added to with new content, it’s a good idea to insert a lot of potential plot threads early on, even if you have no plans on when or how it will play out at the time. Plus, their concept artists are known to make stuff without being specifically told to, and while some of that gets added into the game not all of it does. Lastly, sometimes they do have a long-term plan for something that gets scrapped for something different.

I think you’re giving ArenaNet too much credit here. They don’t have some master plan for all the story hooks in the game, they just make it up as they go along.

If they had plans, GW2 story wouldn’t be: " ahh screw the lore let’s add some dragons and hunt them down in the next 5 expansios before we will do something with the actual lore".

Gandarel.5091:

Primal Zed.9714:

Gandarel.5091:

Ofc they got no plans wqith Livia, that’s sooo sillyyy..

Like the pink themed GW2 ‘scholar with a fan’ concept art, that’s just fan made, ofc that’s definitely not a mesmer, we won’t have mesmer. 3 years later that was verifyed to be a leaked concept art.

Arenanet is shady.

In a game that’s supposed to be continually added to with new content, it’s a good idea to insert a lot of potential plot threads early on, even if you have no plans on when or how it will play out at the time. Plus, their concept artists are known to make stuff without being specifically told to, and while some of that gets added into the game not all of it does. Lastly, sometimes they do have a long-term plan for something that gets scrapped for something different.

I think you’re giving ArenaNet too much credit here. They don’t have some master plan for all the story hooks in the game, they just make it up as they go along.

If they had plans, GW2 story wouldn’t be: " ahh screw the lore let’s add some dragons and hunt them down in the next 5 expansios before we will do something with the actual lore".

There’s no reason to immediately flip over to the opposite extreme. They did seed the dragons in GW1, after all, and just because they’re the primary big bad of the moment doesn’t mean there’s nothing else going on.

Well, where did they hint them?

Other from 1 Eye of the North script, which expansion was made to add the background for GW2?

Gandarel.5091:

If they had plans, GW2 story wouldn’t be: " ahh screw the lore let’s add some dragons and hunt them down in the next 5 expansios before we will do something with the actual lore".

Whoever said the first five (or four) expansions will be focused on the Elder Dragons.

No one, that’s who.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Gandarel.5091:

If they had plans, GW2 story wouldn’t be: " ahh screw the lore let’s add some dragons and hunt them down in the next 5 expansios before we will do something with the actual lore".

Whoever said the first five (or four) expansions will be focused on the Elder Dragons.

No one, that’s who.

You think we will go to another continent before eliminating the threat of the dragons? I hope I’m wrong btw.

Before eliminating them all? Certainly.

I cannot see us not going to Elona before taking care of the DSD, for example, simply due to proximity and level of the threat (invasive evil emperor next door vs. barely known about DSD hundreds of miles off the shores and deep underwater). Similarly, both Primordus and the DSD may remain as external threats with unknown locations, unable to be found due to constant movements, for quite some time. Even Mordremoth can be turned into such – or hell, even Kralkatorrik given how we’ve learned nothing of his past 5 years of activity.

Besides that, who needs to go to a new continent for an expansion? There’s no dragon to the east – can easily send an expansion that way, no dragon needed.

Though I do suspect Jormag and Kralkatorrik – and most likely the DSD – will be taken care of in the short run expansion wise, nothing demands that this is one-expansion-per-dragon, let alone be dragon-focused expansions that are back to back. Kralkatorrik can even be turned into a strong-focused side-plot for Elona, for example, akin to the theme of uniting Destiny’s Edge (having a personal story focused on Joko/some other threat, with dungeon story modes focused on the Pact’s fight against Kralkatorrik – for example).

I had to read that double negation many times until I finally got the meaning, I guess thats what happens when I don’t go to bed when I should and my brain takes vengance :S

Well, if we’re going to Elona we should at least laterally deal with Kralkatorrik as he’s a BIG factor on what’s happening right now with Joko’s army. Btw I love that idea of focusing the dungeon stories on defeating the dragon and the main story on Elona’s main plot against Joko.

But I think Elona should wait at least 1 more expansion, the same way that it would be tedious to have dragons in every campaign, having zombies as the main opponent army in consecutive stories would get into people’s heads too I think. Even more than with dragons as each dragon has a different flavor but zombies at the end are walking corpses (technically not really zombies in some cases here, but you get the point).

I would love for a campaign dealing (even if just as a part of the whole plot) with the White Mantle, given the many hints of them commanding Kryta’s bandits plotting against the queen. Mursaat are mentioned in the final dungeon and it would be refreshing for players that didn’t play GW1 to know them and say “hey, this are the guys from that Arah path! This should be important!”. Given the “assumed/possible” proximity to where Mordremoth might be and where the last surviving Mursaats might be hiding, they could be part of the same campaign as Mursaats wouldn’t like at all to meet dragons again.

Thinking on it, it’s actually vaguely possible something like that is what the Living Story is building towards. Something seems to be uniting the ‘enemy factions’ in GW2, and the presence of a possible future transition in Brisban suggests a likelihood of the map expanding in that direction (not to mention that there is still at least one gate in Rata Sum that remain inoperative to players, which could take us westwards). A threat originating from the jungle may seem quite focused on the western races at first glance, but that might be why it’s starting in the east…

Lokheit.7943:

I had to read that double negation many times until I finally got the meaning, I guess thats what happens when I don’t go to bed when I should and my brain takes vengance :S

Heh, sorry. Guess I shoulda said “I definitely see […]”

Lokheit.7943:

Well, if we’re going to Elona we should at least laterally deal with Kralkatorrik as he’s a BIG factor on what’s happening right now with Joko’s army.

Eh, not really.

Kralkatorrik has, as far as we known, only inhabited the northern Crystal Desert. We don’t know where he went after killing Glint – he could have gone south, east, stayed put, or went into the Mists via Tomb of the Primeval Kings. Nothing official (in-game or otherwise) has ever put Joko and Kralkatorrik in the same sentence – only baseless player thoughts that Joko’s armies are fighting Kralkatorrik’s (the reality is that Joko’s undead were fighting Zhaitan’s army on the Elonian border).

Lokheit.7943:

I would love for a campaign dealing (even if just as a part of the whole plot) with the White Mantle, given the many hints of them commanding Kryta’s bandits plotting against the queen. Mursaat are mentioned in the final dungeon and it would be refreshing for players that didn’t play GW1 to know them and say “hey, this are the guys from that Arah path! This should be important!”. Given the “assumed/possible” proximity to where Mordremoth might be and where the last surviving Mursaats might be hiding, they could be part of the same campaign as Mursaats wouldn’t like at all to meet dragons again.

Like Drax said, I suspect that this is going to be the next focus in the Living Story – or at least the first overarching story path. Fort Vandal is definitely dungeon material (it has a portal within, and in the BWEs each dungeon accessible had a PoI at the entrance, much like Fort Vandal currently does).

I’m really hoping that it turns out Lazarus is the driving force behind the Sinister Triad (Bandit/Inquest/Nightmare Court alliance), and that through his motivations, the White Mantle lead the bandits, allied with centaurs (who are not only hostile to humans, but norn as well albeit less so), sent the Inquest to study the Elder Dragons energies (or rather, helped them understand so much so fast), and drove the uniting force behind the Molten Alliance. It’d make him into a huge overarching villain that’s causing problems for all five playable races, thus giving a perfectly good reason for everyone to go after him and the alliance(s) he’s made/making.

Plus, he did swear vengeance on the humans and asura – might as well go after their allies too.

Don’t even need to include Mordremoth – though certainly could, as well as expanding Malyck. Come to speak of Malyck, if Anet wants to have more figureheads, Malyck is a prime candidate – he’s interesting to everyone, unique, has motivations, and is of one of the playable races.

draxynnic.3719:

(not to mention that there is still at least one gate in Rata Sum that remain inoperative to players, which could take us westwards)

Erm, which gate? The only inoperative gate to players is the Polymock one.

Do you mean the gate with the big no sign on it? That is to a personal story-only area (Black Citadel has a similar location).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I’m really hoping that it turns out Lazarus is the driving force behind the Sinister Triad (Bandit/Inquest/Nightmare Court alliance), and that through his motivations, the White Mantle lead the bandits, allied with centaurs (who are not only hostile to humans, but norn as well albeit less so), sent the Inquest to study the Elder Dragons energies (or rather, helped them understand so much so fast), and drove the uniting force behind the Molten Alliance. It’d make him into a huge overarching villain that’s causing problems for all five playable races, thus giving a perfectly good reason for everyone to go after him and the alliance(s) he’s made/making.

Plus, he did swear vengeance on the humans and asura – might as well go after their allies too.

ArenaNet did say that he was creating a personal nemesis in the Living Story didn’t they? It would be nice if for once there wasn’t a dragon or a god behind everything going on :P

I’d agree that Lazarus would be a nice personal nemesis, but I’m wondering if he is still ‘unseen’ like all the mursaat are/were. Without an ascended individual, he could be floating along the Krytan countryside with us none the wiser. If I had to guess anything, he probably has a couple of cat’s paws or puppets doing his biding, and we’re more likely to find and kill them, before Lazarus comes out from behind the curtain.

And when he does come back, I kind of want there to be a cut scene where he downs all the players in a single attack. Then he proceeds to kill the living story hero with spectral agony.

You know… to show that he’s back in full force, and there is every reason to utterly fear him.

Remember that we were told Palawa Joko’s undead were fighting Zhaitan’s Risen in the deserts (That would be terrifying to watch. Undead vs undead). He’s probably fighting Kralkatorrik in the Crystal Desert now as well. So that’s Kralkatorrik potentially out of the picture whilst we deal with other threats.

I’d personally say that Jormag or Primordus will be next. But I’d prefer the latter – We’re told the dwarves are still fighting him and they could very well be on their last legs now that we’re seeing more and more Destroyers on the surface, evidently their defences are failing. Ogden should probably kick people a lot and tell them to go help the dwarves.