Guild Wars 2

Ok… so Caith took the egg. What does that mean. Is she under the influence of Mordremor, is she working alone, or is she working with some group?

I don’t belive Mordermo is an option, she hasn’t shown any signs of corruption, on the other hand I don’t think she did it alone.

So that leave me thinking, she is working with Nightmare Court (but I doubt it), or she is working for mysterios new group. Also I noticed she doesn’t feel good about Zephyrites, she isn’t trusting them at all.

What are you guys thinking, I would LOVE to hear some of your fine theorycrafting

Well that was short.

Return to Camp Resolve

I like that we are using the Pact base. I like that we are engaging in meaningful ways with Pact members. I like that Pact members recognise me. I wish I was working more closely with Trahearne (They are going to attack by air and it sounds like we might miss our flight – anyone else getting a bad feeling about the Pact’s future?).

It was nice to talk with Destiny’s Edge again, even if it was just to blow them off. Please ArenaNet, recast Zojja. If you can’t get Felicia Day, get someone else. I miss Zojja. I didn’t like that Logan’s letter seems to imply DE aren’t getting along well (reflected by how distracted Caithe and Eir are and how nothing Zojja is). Come on guys, we went through this in the Personal Story – that horse is dead. I know they weren’t exactly fighting with each other but coming from the puppies and rainbows the biconics vomit all over us, I’d like to see DE act like the elite team they are supposed to be. Not just their individual skill, but their rapport with each other and teamwork.

I can’t be the only person who thinks it’s ridiculous that a child like Taimi is walking around a military base on the front line of Tyria’s biggest threat? I like her Iron Legion teacher but I’m not interested in seeing Scruffy 2.0 – Taimi doesn’t belong in a war zone.

Eir believe that Glint’s child, Gleam, the dragon we protected in Eye of the North, is most likely dead or unlikely to meet with us. I really hope this is just NPC PoV that ends up being wrong – a grown dragon is so much more interesting than an egg.

Aside from seeing DE together again, this entire instance was basically a summary of what we learned in the last release.

Tracking the Aspect Masters

This was a bit boring. Not a whole lot happened here, we rescue Rihanna and the Avatar (what is up with that dude’s face?) but Little Miss Sunshine dies. We go after the Master using our new Zephyrite Decoder Ring. Honestly this felt like filler. I know we had to track the master somehow, but last episode was dropping lore and story bombs left and right, this episode offered so little and felt drawn out (which is ironic because it was so short).

Into the Labyrinth

We make our way through the maze using the biconic’s unique class/racial powers. Apparently necromancers can sense life force, mesmers can conjure light, charr/rangers can tear down vines and Braham draws the short straw again. The NPC follow system was a little clumsy and burdensome but their unique abilities served the gameplay well. The Master of Peace dies and Caithe steals the egg. For the record, nothing has changed in the Omphalos Chamber.

I have one massive issue with this release. When I opened the Story Journal to begin, the brief summary said the chase to find the Master meets a tragic end and something causes us to question an ally’s motives (or something along those lines). Instantly, before even entering the first instance I knew the Master of Peace would die and suspected Caithe would steal the egg – both based off the summary. Once Caithe started shadowing me it was locked in stone. The entire episode was spoiled before it began – please don’t do that.

I’d need to take a second pass to take in the subtleties (is there much of an Open World component to this release in terms of story?), but it really seems like very little happened this patch. We already knew the Master had an egg, so the biggest bit of new info is his death and Caithe’s acquisition of the egg. What is she going to do with it? Why does Mordremoth want it? Where was the Master taking it? It feels like the story didn’t move this time, we still don’t have the egg, we still don’t know what the person with the egg is going to do with it, at we only have more questions.

Maybe if I hadn’t of had the two big twists at the end spoiled by the synopsis I would have enjoyed it more. I did like that each instance didn’t have several minutes of the biconics talking to each other. I replayed the first four episodes last week and the amount of biconic banter is agonising. If you really want an update on how Marjory and Kasmeer feel each other (spoiler: nothing changed) you can get some optional dialogue during the Return to Camp Resolve instance.

Side Note: I don’t think it’s a good idea to tease images of Rytlock on twitter when the following release doesn’t even include him. A lot of people got their hopes up and this was a let down.

She did say “No time to explain!” before she hastily grabbed the egg and left, so I personally don’t think she’s working for the enemy.
However, this might have something to do with Caithe’s big secret Scarlet teased us about in the Twilight Arbor dungeon episode in season 1.
Also the one thing I got excited about in this patch was the talk they had about Gleam, the baby dragon we saved in GW1, whose name was also finally revealed. I personally do think it’s still very much alive, probably the voice that was guiding the Master of Peace in Glint’s lair and I wouldn’t be surprised if Caithe knew about it aswell.

Also a fun fact: There’s a zephyrite merchant named Gleam in the peaceful centaur camp in Dry Top.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gleam

Marjory’s sword practice – I felt like this part was a very well executed part of the story. If you missed it, in Return to Camp Resolve, you can see her practice with her sword on a dummy, and after the chat with DE, you can talk with her about it. Later, in Into the Labyrinth, you can see Marjory has added a new skill into her kitten nal, a spinning sword strike akin to the third strike of ranger GS #1. Meaning, she didn’t instantly master her new weapon, and that we can expect to see her improve more.

Caithe was acting very, very weird the entire patch. Not at all like herself. Unfortunately, I don’t feel comfortable guessing whether her mental state was actually altered or the writers just wanted us to notice her early on.

That said, though I have yet to observe it myself, according to the patch notes we now do have some sort of direct connection between the mordrem and nightmare. It is worth recalling that Caithe was tainted with Nightmare a few years ago- and we only have Faolain’s word to go on to say how well it was removed. My tentative guess is that Faolain and the Nightmare Court are going to directly play into the next patch somehow.

Or ANet will take the more obvious, boring option, and this is just a lead-in to finding out that the Pale Tree being out of commission has made the sylvari as a whole vulnerable.

Don’t have much to add, because there’s not much to say about this patch. That synopsis really did ruin the only plot progression that occurred, though I do appreciate that they played it in such a manner that we’re unsure if Caithe’s been corrupted or is just working of of justifiable, if private, reasons. Of course, if we learn the answer in the first instance next episode, as we seem to be aiming to, that’ll just feel like an empty attempt to keep us hooked.

The Rytlock teaser didn’t bother me too much- I’d already figured we wouldn’t be seeing him when he wasn’t at all in the trailer last week. ]I suspect he’s going to come back at the season finale, and not before, and we might get some more images or other such hints as we go.

As an added note to the biconics- maybe it’s because I still feel like they’re just taggers on, and not actually friends of mine, but the forced dialogue options there are starting to irritate as much as the Canach ones do. “You’re my rock”? Really?

I thought we were going to see Rytlock again. Altogether it felt really short, even shorter than usual, probably because it was only 3 missions, with one being nothing but a mission briefing. After the generally good impression the last episode left on me, that was a bit of a let down.

If you looked into her eyes they glowed purple.
I do not know if she had done that before, though, but it was different from her character portrait.

Otherwise this Episode was weak and very predictable.

If we now follow the route of taking every leader Sylvary down out of safety reasons, then it might be that we get the heroic death of Trahearn at some point (the thing a lot of people want and I personaly don`t care about.)

So far the patch was there and I am not really thrilled about the things that happened.

Enemies were just thrown at us and were not much of a challenge (however you could see some intelligence in the last boss, as it gave orders to the fireflys and called out targets.)

Caithe`s involvement was suspicious from the start and build up very good.

I am sorry, as much as I enjoyed some of the banter I can`t really get into this Episode. It felt like the majority is missing.

Another good thing though: The B-Iconics are good for something , I guess…
Still do not get why we got them. I know it is because they are iconic and stuff, but can`t I get a Pact squad or something of my own instead these rag tag heroes wannabes?

Aside from being forced on us they are there for exposition and to deliver messages. They are red-shirts and not the next gen kind.

Okay, rant over…

The Masters were nice, but also too short. I was hoping for something to happen but I ended up beeing bored, which is sad, after the last one was such a good reentry into the LS.

I really hope this was a one time hickup, because if the following are hitting the same okay notes, then I am a bit disapointed.

Overall what did we get out of this patch?

- Gleam does or does not live.
- Destinies Edge wants us back, but we have better things to do (but I hope we can ditch the B-Iconics as soon as this is over.)
- Eir has an unconfortable eye on Braham
- Caithe is or is not evil
- Zoija thinks we are 75,8% of DE`s fighting power (what a stupid phrase from her. Where is the snark, I mean, come on. She doesn´t have to be so buddy buddy with us)
- Majory is learning to wield her ghostsword.

Mhm… I am sure I missed something important, but if so I am not eager to revisit it again.

(also I am kittened about the BLC-Key, but this is my personal problem… I just need only one more kittening scrap. Am I asking for too much here?)

(Can we merge the two Threads btw?)

I caught the weird color too, jaken, but I think it was just the lighting down there. Kasmeer’s armor looked black, and everything else was just a bit off.

Has Marjory’s greatsword animation been like that since the start? Where she does a little twirl on the third auto-attack?

Also, what’s with the green/black pools when Rox uses Barrage?

The third attack of Marjory’s attack chain is new, a result of her training, whereas Rox’s unique barrage has always been like that.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Or ANet will take the more obvious, boring option, and this is just a lead-in to finding out that the Pale Tree being out of commission has made the sylvari as a whole vulnerable.

So are you thinking that this could turn into Caithe having good intention for all the wrong reasons? Something like Caithe found a way to orchestrate the attack that happened during The World Summit. However it went too far so now she is bringing the egg back to the pale tree to heal her?

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Aaron Ansari.1604:

Or ANet will take the more obvious, boring option, and this is just a lead-in to finding out that the Pale Tree being out of commission has made the sylvari as a whole vulnerable.

So are you thinking that this could turn into Caithe having good intention for all the wrong reasons? Something like Caithe found a way to orchestrate the attack that happened during The World Summit. However it went too far so now she is bringing the egg back to the pale tree to heal her?

If Caithe’s head is being messed around with by Mordremoth, I expect it’ll turn out to be straightforward, kill her before she misuses the egg, etc. I don’t buy into the idea that she orchestrated the attack, and I don’t see how the dragon egg would possibly help the Tree. I’m hopeful that there is no mental corruption, and that this has something to do with her relationship with Faolain- perhaps she’s gambling on the baby having Glint’s mental abilities, so she can see what exactly is going on in her ex-lover’s head.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

As an added note to the biconics- maybe it’s because I still feel like they’re just taggers on, and not actually friends of mine, but the forced dialogue options there are starting to irritate as much as the Canach ones do. “You’re my rock”? Really?

Yeah that probably stood out to me most as one of those lines that makes no sense for my character to say. She’s my rock? I’ve done a lot of stuff before I met her, I’ve met and worked with a lot of people and lost them long before Marjory was even in the game. If Marjory is my rock, how did I get through losing my entire warband (with the exception of Dinky)? How did I handle being ordered to track down my deserter father? Cope with the loss of countless heroes that died against Zhaitain, including my close mentor Forgal? I wish the writing would stop forcing these pandering attempts to assign meaning to the characters through fake dialogue.

I know the writers want us to care about the biconics but this is absolutely the wrong way to do it. I don’t doubt that for some of the writers they might view Marjory as their PC’s rock. Maybe even some players. This kind of casual use of unearned relationships is problematic for me because it disrespects the relationships I’ve made in the past. Without referencing how important Dinky, Trahearne or DE are to my PC, wedging Marjory in as “my rock” makes my PC’s identity feel inconsistent at best, especially when the other important characters in my story may as well not exist.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

If Caithe’s head is being messed around with by Mordremoth, I expect it’ll turn out to be straightforward, kill her before she misuses the egg, etc. I don’t buy into the idea that she orchestrated the attack, and I don’t see how the dragon egg would possibly help the Tree. I’m hopeful that there is no mental corruption, and that this has something to do with her relationship with Faolain- perhaps she’s gambling on the baby having Glint’s mental abilities, so she can see what exactly is going on in her ex-lover’s head.

Yeah, that is why I asked the question. Since I originally thought you meant something completely different with that last statement. Now I understand what you mean. Being Caithe is more easily subjugated to Mordremoth influence, simply because the Pale Tree has almost been mortally wounded. Which it would be a really lame and predictable thing to do.

I just don’t get how could that egg help defeat Mordremoth, Glint herself got easily smashed by Kralkatorrik.

Well we can assume Caithe isn’t with Mordremoth since she could have just stabbed the Pact Commander (us) in the back in that Labyrinth and the mordrem would have kept the egg. I think it is reasonable to assume she has her own agenda. It could be that she wants to keep the egg safe from someone else, presumably someone in the Pact or even someone else in that chamber. I quite like the theory that Mordy has been reading the mind of the player character ever since the accident in Omadd’s device, so that’s why Caithe has to hide the egg.

There’s also Caithe’s nasty secret to consider. We never knew what that was all about and it seems equally strange that it would involve Glint’s egg.

Well, she flat out says she knows the importance of the egg better than the rest of the DE – so, in other words, she knows something, and that something is her motivation for going rogue on us. As to what that something is, I don’t suppose anyone here might have any brilliant ideas?

I don’t think she was corrupted by Mordremoth, it’s more like only her knew what to do with the egg.

One fairly simple possibility is that Caithe knew that the egg was attracting Mordrem, and she just wanted to get it the frell out of dodge ASAP before something nastier showed up.

But how are we going to use it against a big big dragon?

I found this update completely lacking. Both open world and story instance.

And the closing dialogue was just sad.

Rox: The Master of Peace is dead.
PC: Oh no. And Caithe is gone. So is the egg. And I promised…

Thank you Captain Rox Obvious. And “Oh no”? Really? I think they just topped “(gasp) No!” And recapped the unskippable cinematic which had Caithe shouting “no time to explain” a good 5-10 seconds before she even did anything in the cinematic. That… could have been plenty of time to explain…

My tinfoil hat theory:
1. Master of Peace works for White Mantle. Possibly replaced by imposter during Fot4W. MoP sabotaged Zephyrites in Maguuma in order to take Egg to WM.
2. Egg cried out telepathically. Aerin heard and heeded the cry, but it drove him insane (Egg is a baby and doesn’t really know exactly what it is doing). Aerin went to singlemindedly protect Egg from MoP.
3. Anise sent Canach to Maguuma to investigate White Mantle activity. May have suspected Mantle involvement in the crash.
4. Somehow, the Shining Blade learned that the Master of Peace had a Dragon Egg (Canach knows this when you speak to him), and realize he may intend to deliver it to the White Mantle.
5. This is A Big Deal, so Anise decides to intervene personally; Canach is close enough to Caithe to remove her. Anise steps in as “Caithe”, exploits the Pact Commander’s relationship to be able to tag along and steal the egg. Logan may be in the know, or may have just been nudged by Jennah into calling a meeting, as a pretext for the Pact Commander to cross paths with Caithe.

I got a question. Aside from character developement (which is always nice) and OMG the spy has the Egg,… I mean Caithe.

Did we actually learn something new? Anything? Did we get any conrete info on something?

I cannot think about anything.

btw. another thing that really got on my nerves: Why am I apeaerntly the only one who gets something done?

Yeah sure, I am someone who does things, but I am not Jesus, the Messiah or something.

I know people were complaining that we are not recognized as a Hero, but now it is way too much. Even characters who are on the same level as me are sucking up to me.

Why does Destiny`s Edge. A group I traveled with, but are seasoned heroes and dragonslayers themselves hail me as the only capable of them?
Rythlock had much more dignity in adressing my character as everyone of them.

It just feels wrong. I am mortal. I get things done. I don`t crown my plumber for doing his job.

It is just my personal opinion, but please cut it down a notch. It felt unconfortable hearing it from them.

This episode fell somewhere between “meh” and “ok” for me.

Yes, we found out that Caithe was an evil ninja looter, but it wasn’t that much of a huge shock at all. What with the weird voice acting, stalking the player all throughout mission 1, other general weirdness, and the synopsis. It would have been a much bigger surprise and a better cliffhanger if she was acting normal all through the missions until the very end.

Mission one was a bit boring. Mostly dialogue, and only a few bits of it were mildly interesting. I wouldn’t have said no if there was a massive Mordrum attack during it, and Destiny’s Edge can show off some of there skills off. We are in a war zone after all.

(Side note: I will have to agree on the recasting of Zojja. If Felicia Day doesn’t have the time to do the job, a new VA is very much needed. For one, Zojja is 85% snark, and like most forumites know, snark doesn’t always translate over to just plain text all that well. Secondly, it limits any story that Zojja might be apart of since the devs have to juggle around the character to work around the lack of voice acting.)

The big fight in the second mission was good, even though most of the whole mission was filler. We find out that the obvious Zephyrite mark was the mark of the MoP. Shocking, I know. The near deity like reverence the Zephyrites have for Glint, shown in the mournful dialogue for the MoS, was a bit disturbing though. Kinda had almost a flash back to WM dialogue there for a second, but replacing “the Unseen” with “Glint”.

The third mission was ok. Nothing, to me, was really bad with it, but there wasn’t much interesting enough to write home about either. (Other than as I said before, Caithe the Ninja Looter!)

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Not much for the theorycrafting for me on this episode. Though, I do have one. Caithe, and possibly others, might be the reason why Anise sent Canach to join the pact and probably report back to her anything he finds out.

At the end of The Dragon’s Reach Part 2 the Pale Tree shares a vision with the PC. The vision includes pillars of light, something that is suggested to be Glint’s egg, crystals that could either be Glint’s lair or mursaat structures and the suggestion that Mordremoth’s vines are surrounding it all, and the Shadow of the Dragon making a cameo. Glint had the power of prophecy and she was the one that handed down the Flameseeker Prophecies that the original GW1 was named after. One of the things that strikes me about the sylvari and the Dream is how similar the Dream can be to prophecy. In the Personal Story Treahearne sees a very detailed vision of the future in Orr, using the Dream with the aid of the Pale Tree. What if Caithe has a mission we don’t know about? We know the Pale Tree knew about Glint’s egg (she shows it to us in her vision) and she sent Caithe out to rescue it? Maybe the baby dragon from GW1 is also alive and that’s where Caithe is taking the egg.

The story wants us to think that Caithe is corrupted by Mordremoth (that’s why Marjory begins to suggest it) but that’s a red herring. Caithe is still good and she’s on a mission for her mother. The Pale Tree was holding her cards close to her chest and only shared information alluding to the egg with PC when she believed she would either die or at least be unable to communicate at all for a period of time. She was unable to do this with anyone else because the PC was the only one left in her chamber. The Pale Tree has constantly known more than she was telling us, maybe she was telling someone – Caithe. If I was the Pale Tree and I had a secret and dangerous mission, who else would I use other than one of my Firstborn, a thief, slayer of dragons, and one of Tyria’s greatest heroes?

Did you notice how Canach suggested destroying the egg? I’m sure he would try if given the chance, while thinking he’s doing he right thing. After so many forced hate we have a reason to tell him to stay away. Now my doubt is: are Caithe and Canach working together?

Well at least this episode had some adorable dialogue between Taimi and her Charr mentor.

Caithe making off with the egg seems_ just a little_ suspicious if we think back to the beginning of S2 where all Zephyrites from the crash were stabbed to death by a single person… /crickets

Especially when Aerin used bombs and not daggers. We discussed the idea that it could be Caithe at the time but the biggest pull from that idea was Caithe didn’t have a known motive.

She is generally a heroic character, and GW2’s black and white morality that’s pretty restrictive. For her to stab Zephyrites while maintaining her “good” status the Zephyrites would need to be evil (which seems unlikely seeing as Ogden, one of the most senior heroes in Tyria, is working with the Master of Peace), live through the experience (at least the stabbing, the bomb/crash could change things) or Caithe would need to be forced into a corner with killing Zephyrites being the lesser of two evils. Given Scarlet implies Caithe has a secret about something “nasty” that she did during Season One, I can see some of this as possible. Alternatively Caithe could be an agent of Mordremoth seeing as she stole the very thing the corrupted Aerin was chasing after.

We now know Caithe wanted the egg, at least she does now. How long has she been after the egg? If the egg is important enough to her, would she board a Zephyrite ship and kill to obtain it? Maybe Aerin wasn’t the only one on the ship after the egg and Caithe killed to protect it? In the last visit to the bazaar the Zephyrites were talking about an influx of strangers visiting the ship and asking questions. What if someone, say the White Mantle, infiltrated the ship and tried to steal the egg in addition to Mordremoth using Aerin?

Still, it seems weird that the PC would find Aerin and the Master of Peace if Caithe had a head start. As was pointed out this release, the Zephyrites live on ships and likely don’t have the skills to hide their tracks on land. If Caithe wanted the egg from the time she was on the ship, wouldn’t she have tracked down the Master of Peace long before we did?

I kinda want to know the real relationship between Glint and the Zephyrites. We know that they are the heirs to the Brotherhood of the Dragon, and they have taken the reverence that the BotD had for Glint to an all new spiritual level, but was Glint ok with them treating her as some type of god? Did their goals, motives, and view points on subjects matter (especially Elder Dragons) match? Or did she keep them around, no matter how weird they might act, because they were useful?

Because asking for guidance is one thing, but praying to her in your time of need and reciting, “May Glint find you in the darkness, and lead you into her perfect light. Until we meet again.”, is a whole new level of crazy attention.

Side note: I do find it very funny that Glint basically pulled a Mursaat and had her own set of (abet nicer) cult followers. Glint might have had the BotD before, but they didn’t seem to have anywhere near the worshipful aspects like the Zephyrites do. As one of the BotfD members said, they were interested in her abilities.

Consular Tronar Ironseer

“Do not be afraid. I’m sure you have heard the rumors about the Brotherhood of the Dragon, many of which are not so flattering. There are those in the Dwarven community who see our connection to the dragon Glint as blaspheme against the Great Dwarf. But I assure you, our brotherhood is not grounded in the spiritual realm. We are more interested in the… well, practical applications, if you will, of prophecy and the art of prognostication. Please stay awhile. Perhaps you will learn a thing or two.”

@Shiren: That’s pretty much what I’m thinking as well – that we’re supposed to be doubting Caithe’s motives right now, but she actually had a very good reason for ninja-ing the egg.

@Erukk: Yes, the contrast between the attitude of the BotD and the Zephyrites is an interesting one. I suspect it’s simply a case of Glint not really caring what they thought of her. That said, we’ve had a few instances now of the Zephyrites referring to Glint in a religious fashion, but we don’t know if Glint has overshadowed the Six in their minds or is regarded as more of saint or messiah – they may still worship the Six but regard Glint as a kind of intermediary. Kind of like how some Christians are more likely to pray to Mary or Jesus than to God directly. (Okay, theologically speaking Jesus is God in Christian tradition, but you know what I mean…)

Well, for me the Caithe thing is something I have been predicting from some time ago, the only thing I don’t like is that they made it plainly obvious from the start of the chapter this time, continuing with subtle clues would have been more interesting, like if at the end of the talk with Taimi you could see Caithe near if you looked, but without conversation.

Anyway, Caithe already acted in a weird way when the Pale Tree was attacked, maybe she helped Mordremoth to attack it, in my opinion she has been corrupted by Mordremoth for a time, my guess is that she would have been corrupted shortly after the killing of Zhaitan, or , as suggested before, from a long time ago (helping to kill Glint and Snaff).

But, I don’t think that is possible, because it would make no sense to help to kill Zhaitan without tricks after saving Klakatorrik (unless there are rivalties and friendships among elder dragons), and Caithe looked like honestly worried about dragons, Destiny’s Edge, and Tyria in the Storyline. No, my guess is that she was corrupted after the death of Zhaitan. That was the secret Scarlet talked about (Scarlet was mad and was dangerous, possibly she was influenced by Mordremoth to awaken him, but she really thought she was an enemy of the dragon and was helping Tyria as a whole, surely in her mind if she didn’t kill the dragons, anyone would be able to (or maybe she didn’t want to just kill them, but to do something entirely different in the light of the hints made at the priory library that killing them all would be bad for the world, she could have learned about that because of her vision)).

The thing is, Scarlet was, or at least that’s was she thought, an enemy of Mordremoth, and the secret she learned is that Caithe was working for him. (If she did something nasty in concrete, that I don’t know).

If Caithe was working for Modremoth explain why she:
1)Helps us and kills modrem along the way
2)Didn’t attack us
3)Took the egg away from the modrem

Well its only one line, but its showing Caithe.
https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/535477616426643456

So who’s pain is she going to bear? Gleams? The egg’s? Faolin’s? Someone else?

Can anyone enlighten me as to why when you speak to Logan he says that Kasmeer may be put into danger because of Countess Anise?

It’s a bit weird, but I’m looking at it as an extension of the inexplicable antipathy that has sprung up between the two since the Queen’s Jubilee. He apparently elaborates more on it if your a noble, and it sounds to me that he doesn’t suspect anything in particular, just that Anise wouldn’t be doing this if she didn’t think Kasmeer would be useful to her.

My bet? She’s trying to get Kasmeer to serve as the Shining Blade’s eyes and ears in the nobility, perhaps even the Ministry. Aside from Anise herself, we’ve never heard of any other SB agents able to move in the higher circles.

Had to look up what you mean, turns out to be a human-only dialogue (“Kasmeer is dear to me.” – I feel like this episode was stuffed of the writer’s own opinions presented as the PCs’).

Logan’s just saying that Anise acts only on her plans and motives, that she doesn’t do anything without a reason. And since he doesn’t know that reason, Kasmeer may or may not be in trouble.

Biohunter.3029:

Can anyone enlighten me as to why when you speak to Logan he says that Kasmeer may be put into danger because of Countess Anise?

The bandits/ministry/white mantle will get rid of people who get in their way. If Anise puts Kasmeer in the way of those people then they will get rid of her. Anise seems to be a spymaster of sorts so she won’t be afraid of putting anyone at risk in order to protect the Queen. Now that it has been mentioned we can expect to see it later in the Living Story.

(Why a Seraph Captain on the front line of a war zone thinks it is more dangerous than fighting Mordrem is anyone’s guess).

Stooperdale.3560:

(Why a Seraph Captain on the front line of a war zone thinks it is more dangerous than fighting Mordrem is anyone’s guess).

“The predictable, straightforward danger of the Blight is much more preferable than the streets of Antiva.” – Master Ignacio (paraphrasing from memory)

How about this entirely speculative and totally unsubstantiated theory.

What if the connection between the Pale Tree and the dream of dreams was created by Glint/Gleam, in secret, as a protection against dragon corruption? If Caithe knows this, could she use this new offspring to provide a link from Malyck’s tree to the dream to give it the same protection? That’s something she might take a big risk for.

I don’t think Logan was saying that Kasmeer was in trouble. Just that Anise always does things with a greater goal in mind, and that the aid she’s providing to Kasmeer now may come with hidden costs or debts down the line. Basically, it was just a warning from one friend to another that Kasmeer should go into this with both eyes open.

I think that Anise can be trusted to always do what’s best for Kryta, but that might very well mean sacrificing some individuals along the way.

What’s best for Jennah, at least. I’ve no doubt that if the crown was in the wrong and the Ministry in the right, we’d be treating the Shining Blade like we currently do the Ministry Guard (they’re essentially the same thing even as it stands, just serving different powers).

Well… one distinction is that the Ministry Guard seems to have their loyalty to people, while the Shining Blade has their loyalty to the ideal of the Krytan monarchy in general – as shown in Sea of Sorrows, the Shining Blade will go against the wishes of the reigning monarch if they think it would be better for the monarchy in the long run. I suspect this may even go as far as the Shining Blade being willing to arrange an ‘accident’ for a monarch that gets too despotic, as long as there is a suitable heir – better to lose one monarch than to trigger a rebellion that leads to the monarchy being dissolved, after all.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Stooperdale.3560:

(Why a Seraph Captain on the front line of a war zone thinks it is more dangerous than fighting Mordrem is anyone’s guess).

“The predictable, straightforward danger of the Blight is much more preferable than the streets of Antiva.” – Master Ignacio (paraphrasing from memory)

I think there’s a similar discussion in one of the ambients in Fort Trinity, actually.

skullmount.1758:

Well its only one line, but its showing Caithe.
https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/535477616426643456

So who’s pain is she going to bear? Gleams? The egg’s? Faolin’s? Someone else?

The Caithe in the picture is not the one that stole the egg. That Caithe had a purple face.
So with Rytlock and Caithe playing major roles in this story, which member of Destiny’s edge is next?

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I’m almost certain that the purple coloration was just the weird lighting down there. If not, then we also have to explain why Kasmeer suddenly swapped to mourning colors.

skullmount.1758:

Well its only one line, but its showing Caithe.
https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/535477616426643456

So who’s pain is she going to bear? Gleams? The egg’s? Faolin’s? Someone else?

I’m wondering if it’ll be some sort of “drawing the pain/corruption into herself” sort of thing. Like Faolain did when Caithe herself was corrupted/poisoned. It would make sense, thematically.

But yes, the question is, from who? The egg? The Pale Tree? The other Tree? Mordy?

Olvendred.3027:

skullmount.1758:

Well its only one line, but its showing Caithe.
https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/535477616426643456

So who’s pain is she going to bear? Gleams? The egg’s? Faolin’s? Someone else?

I’m wondering if it’ll be some sort of “drawing the pain/corruption into herself” sort of thing. Like Faolain did when Caithe herself was corrupted/poisoned. It would make sense, thematically.

But yes, the question is, from who? The egg? The Pale Tree? The other Tree? Mordy?

Well here’s the teaser image from todays POI. Can’t remember exactly what Faolin looked like, but it might be her on the right.
i.imgur.com/Wmnj26Q.jpg

Not sure where they are, other than some Asura base (whether “good” Asura or Inquest isn’t really distinguishable)

DarcShriek.5829:

skullmount.1758:

Well its only one line, but its showing Caithe.
https://twitter.com/GuildWars2/status/535477616426643456

So who’s pain is she going to bear? Gleams? The egg’s? Faolin’s? Someone else?

The Caithe in the picture is not the one that stole the egg. That Caithe had a purple face.
So with Rytlock and Caithe playing major roles in this story, which member of Destiny’s edge is next?

All lights there seem to get turned purple. Radiant and chaos gear, even my shlvari’s glow which is usually light blue got turned purple Iirc.

Caithe looked 100% normal in the two prior instances.

skullmount.1758:

Well here’s the teaser image from todays POI. Can’t remember exactly what Faolin looked like, but it might be her on the right.
i.imgur.com/Wmnj26Q.jpg

Not sure where they are, other than some Asura base (whether “good” Asura or Inquest isn’t really distinguishable)

That central structure is unique and I recall it from the weather changer asura storyline. That is the Inner Inquest Complex in NE Metrica Province.

The head of the right sylvari matches Faolain though her armor differs from TA – she had the dungeon’s armor there, here that looks like T3 light, same colors though. The left sylvari has same colors as Caithe but both hair and armor differs. The asura I think is a general model? But not a common Inquest model.

Perhaps a cinematic of Faolain and Caithe’s past, before Faolain fell? Though if so, one hasto wonder why Faolain looks the same. In EoD she was described as looking similar to Caithe, but where Caithe had white hair etc, Faolain had black. Her treebranch hair was always very strange to me but I took it as Nightmare and poison’s influence after the novel changing her, since her arm became a bit rotten after withdrawing the poison. If this is a flash of the past – if that is Caithe – then Faolain’s appearance should change too.

Edit: Yeah, I do think this is an image of the past, with the left being Caithe. Those are her daggers and skin/hair color. That is an Inquest base but the asura and golem don’t seem to be Inquest made (distinct lack of red) – meaning either the three are allies, which doesn’t seem so as that looks confrontational to me, or this was before the base was Inquest. And Faolain’s outfit looks less Nightmare Court-y to me.

If that isn’t Caithe and Faolain in the past, then we have a Faolain clone next to a similar-to-Caithe sylvari.

But if it is… Why does Faolain not match her historic appearance description? Oversight, probably.

That or it was changed before launch… didn’t EoD come out before the sylvari overhaul?

A bit before, yeah, but that’s a drastic change for Faolain.

And looking at the picture, if that’s Caithe in the past, then the version of her in the image is really close to EoD’s description of her compared to her modern-time model.