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Posted by: Rhaegar.1203

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Mind you, I have not completed the episode, but while exploring the Mursaat Fortress, I came across one of the Mursaat Lore Tablets, and it read the following:

V. After our failed attack on Zhaitan, our Forgotten allies withdrew to the Crystal Desert. We soothed ourselves with the knowledge that upon the other races’ annihilation, the world would be ours.

(Emphasis mine)

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but by the time of the last ED cycle, when Mursaat, Forgotten, Jotun, Dwarves and Seers fought them, the Crystal Desert DID NOT EXIST. It was called then, the Crystal Sea, and it was only when Abaddon smote the Forgotten ships, aiding Jadoth the Margonite, that it was created. And Abaddon came while the ED were sleeping already.

Right?

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Posted by: assasin oates.3018

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I also found another.
The dwarf sends you to a mursaat fortress where one of the devices are located.
Surely any dwarf who came close to the fortress would be attacked by Jade Armors and the towers.
Which brings me to my next point, the towers don’t attack destroyers and the destroyers by the device don’t attack a “mursaat” until the device is active again.
Very unsettling

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Posted by: Rhaegar.1203

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Dwarves and Mursaat were aligned at some point. Perhaps that’s why?

I also noticed the Destroyers being friendly to my Mursaat disguise. I thought of darker implications but soon chalked it up to faulty mechanics.

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Posted by: maxwelgm.4315

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It’s easy to shave off destroyers not being attacked by assuming the mursaat defenses are triggered by biological markers, and destroyers are merely corrupted frames of molten rock. The part about the Crystal Sea though, doesn’t make sense at all. The wiki claims both Margonites and Luxons sailed there before the Exodus of the Gods (or rather, that both sea faring tribes were confused out after Abbadon fell, and we don’t know who was who), so that would mean it connected to the Unending Ocean for hundreds of years, probably during the last time dragons were around as well.

It could also be on purpose, if Lazarus himself or someone else wanted to write the tablets as a decoy or as a sort of false version of history (or romance even, maybe some White Mantle got bored!). That would be really bad though: creating an entire set of collectibles over a false recollection of history? Not the best storytelling I tell you. I’d rather think they merely overlooked it from the content being rushed, and will eventually fix it.

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Posted by: Rhaegar.1203

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I think they made a similar lore mistake (And later fix) in a past episode, in Season 2. Or was it on S3E1? Can’t remember.

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Posted by: RyuDragnier.9476

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Since the tablets are found around a fortress used back during GW1, it means they were written AFTER the Mursaat came back, meaning after the Sea became the Crystal Desert. There’s no inconsistency.

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Posted by: Rhaegar.1203

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Should have been written “[…] withdrew to the area now called the Crystal Desert […]”, then.

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Posted by: Rognik.2579

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Should have been written “[…] withdrew to the area now called the Crystal Desert […]”, then.

So now you’re criticising the writings of a long-dead mursaat? Way to kick a guy when he’s down. Or girl/she. I have no idea how genders work for that race.

Anyway, if you really want to complain about something, complain about the fact that the tablets are apparently written in New Krytan, which I highly doubt. That means that someone – I guess the dwarves, unless the Durmand Priory are really prolific in these tasks – translated them for us, and just translated “Crystal Sea” as “Crystal Desert” for the reader’s ease.

Speaking of the dwarves, remember how there are two entrances into that mursaat room? At least it looked like there was a door back there. Maybe the dwarves went through the back door to activate the machines and that’s when someone dragged something heavy out of there.

I think they made a similar lore mistake (And later fix) in a past episode, in Season 2. Or was it on S3E1? Can’t remember.

I believe it was Season 2, Episode 7, when they forgot that Riannoc was established as the first sylvari to experience death.

Finally, I think the Destroyers being friendly to people in mursaat armor can be explained in one of two ways:
1. It’s merely a game mechanic “bug” that swaps the player’s team so that all the enemies are friendly but the players are aggressive.
2. The “Unseen” power of the mursaat lies in their armor, and wearing it makes you invisible to those destroyers.

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Posted by: Ronin.7381

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Finally, I think the Destroyers being friendly to people in mursaat armor can be explained in one of two ways:
1. It’s merely a game mechanic “bug” that swaps the player’s team so that all the enemies are friendly but the players are aggressive.
2. The “Unseen” power of the mursaat lies in their armor, and wearing it makes you invisible to those destroyers.

Or it’s because you have no way to defend yourself because the disguise disables your hotbars.

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Posted by: Goatjugsoup.8637

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i dont think the mursaat are aligned with the destroyers at all, but i also dont think lazarus is on our side. he spoke of the mursaat betraying the other races at the last elder dragon cycle but from the lore tablets in ember bay its clear the mursaat think the other races are the betrayers.
so in other words it seems he is just saying what he thinks we want to hear

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Posted by: Rhaegar.1203

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Should have been written “[…] withdrew to the area now called the Crystal Desert […]”, then.

So now you’re criticising the writings of a long-dead mursaat? Way to kick a guy when he’s down.

And… what’s so wrong with that? If they’re inconsistent, they are. Furthermore, you know I’m criticizing the works of the Writing Team, and the performance of the Continuity Team (There must be one!).

The New Krytan stuff (Which I hadn’t noticed) is also unforgivable… literally unplayable

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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The mursaat do have their own written language, which was actually used in some places in Kryta during GW1. It’s possible that the Pact Commander could have learned up on the language or something, especially if they were Priory or Whispers.

Ultimately I’d consider knowing how to read those texts being a game mechanic thing rather than a lore thing. It may be that we’re scribbling them down, turning them into the asura researcher, who gives us a translated version in terms of lore, but for mechanic ease, we just read it right there.

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Posted by: Lord Hammer Hand.4815

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ok is it possible that those tablets are written in much earlier time (in 250+ years ago) accounting for historical events? that why they refer to crystal sea the crystal desert? if that’s the case then no inconsistency.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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Another possibility is that the war with Abaddon wasn’t the only time the gods changed the terrain. We have a lot of indications that the gods essentially terraformed Tyria when they arrived, helping the world to recover from the devastation of the dragons. This is why some nonhuman races still credit the gods with the creation of the world (charr, for instance).

So it’s possible that at the time the dragons were last awake, the area was a desert. The gods came in after the mursaat had left, performed their terraforming, and as part of doing so, they flooded the area to make it more habitable. Then the war with Abaddon happened and the sea got boiled off again… and the mursaat only returned after the area had reverted to a desert.

(It’s also worth noting that even with the Elon diverted, there’s still a Crystal Desert now. So it’s possible that even while the Crystal Sea existed, areas that were sufficiently far away from water were still a desert, kind of like how in the Middle East you have highly fertile regions near the rivers, surrounded by desert. So there might still have been a Crystal Desert before the war between the gods, it’s just that the war made the desert area a lot larger.)

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