Mordremoth and Sylvari[Spoilers]
I’m actually hoping that IS a major issue during the campaign, and we aren’t given a cop out reason like “they got better” or “they’re strong willed”.
As in the real world, some people are more resistant to temptation than others, and the events and circumstances of someone’s life can have a great influence on how susceptible they are to straying off the path. I would think each sylvari will probably hear the call of Mordremoth. How each of them responds says a lot about their character.
Mordremoth seems to be aware of what the sylvari sees and experiences. Maybe deeper than they themselves do. I’m saying this mainly because Aerin (the first saboteaur) started to become troubled and descended into a crazed state only after he got close to Glint’s Egg, even without him knowing about it. The sylvari on the pact fleet began attacking as the vines did so. Not all sylvari are effected yet, only those who are in a favorable position to be of the most use for him.
The Pale Tree’s protection might be failing due to her injuries. It is assumed that the Dream protects against Mord’s influence, and as she is the caretaker of the dream, it might be getting weaker with her. Soundless are most prone to be effected, but again, only if they are in a usefull position.
Assumedly having the influence circle of the mind, Mordremoth should be intelligent enough not to send all his pawns into a slaughterhouse on a whim. If all the sylvari would be crazed mindless servants from this point forward, the sylvari would be stomped down immedietly. But if the bulk of the race is still uneffected, they might get enough sympathy to be trusted with something. Getting all your pawns killed on the starting square is a waste. Getting them to a better square where they might get to a queen is risky, but much more sound strategicly.
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How long do people have to put spoiler tag exactly?
It’s been 3 days since the patch got released, personally I think it’s long enough, if you haven’t played it yet than too bad. That’s my opinion at least.
Here’s my hope for how the matter of sylvari corruption will be handled. Pure speculation, mind you.
Sylvari PC’s will see an icon appear on their UI. Perhaps only when they are in the Silverwastes or the Maguuma, near Mordremoth’s area of power and influence. It could be a debuff that can only be removed by killing Mordrem…in essence, fighting back against the dragon’s corruption. Or it could be removed by returning to the Grove and standing in the presence of the Pale Tree’s avatar. Obviously Mordy’s plans for creating an evil planty race got scuppered by Ventari and Ronan, so it seems fitting that the fruit (pun totally intended) of their labor would negate the dragon’s power.
Just a thought.
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Um… I think everyone is forgetting a very important point here. The Sylvari don’t need to resist corruption, it’s very much the opposite. They must continue to be corrupted by Ventari’s teachings. Their natural state is that of a Mordrem
Not necessarily. Nightmare Court consider themselves to be the natural state of Sylvari and they are not Mordrem. Mordrem as we know them are just the minions of Vinewrath.
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Not necessarily. Nightmare Court consider themselves to be the natural state of Sylvari and they are not Mordrem. Mordrem as we know them are just the minions of Vinewrath.
We know Sylvari are Mordrem. We also know that all other dragon minions that we’ve encountered have 1 overarching goal, to feed their Elder Dragon (that’s literally all that Elder Dragons do, eat and sleep). Granted sometimes this means creating an army and sometimes this means taking out possible threats but all their (minions) actions are intended to gather magic and feed it to the Elder Dragon. I don’t think the Nightmare Court is particularly in-line with how ED minions commonly act (or at least I don’t particularly see how their actions help Mordy to feed).
Then again, most minions don’t have much in the way of higher mental function. The only Risen who were able to talk and take seemingly independent action were some of the Risen Champions while the average minion was pretty mindless. So far we haven’t seen too much intelligence or independence form the Destroyers or Branded. So I guess the Sylvari are probably a closer analog to the Sons of Svanir (who seem relatively intelligent and independent).
Not necessarily. Nightmare Court consider themselves to be the natural state of Sylvari and they are not Mordrem. Mordrem as we know them are just the minions of Vinewrath.
We know Sylvari are Mordrem. We also know that all other dragon minions that we’ve encountered have 1 overarching goal, to feed their Elder Dragon (that’s literally all that Elder Dragons do, eat and sleep). Granted sometimes this means creating an army and sometimes this means taking out possible threats but all their (minions) actions are intended to gather magic and feed it to the Elder Dragon. I don’t think the Nightmare Court is particularly in-line with how ED minions commonly act (or at least I don’t particularly see how their actions help Mordy to feed).
Then again, most minions don’t have much in the way of higher mental function. The only Risen who were able to talk and take seemingly independent action were some of the Risen Champions while the average minion was pretty mindless. So far we haven’t seen too much intelligence or independence form the Destroyers or Branded. So I guess the Sylvari are probably a closer analog to the Sons of Svanir (who seem relatively intelligent and independent).
I get the feeling that minions, when far from their Elder Dragon, “belong” to the champion. And the Pale Tree is a champion of Mordremoth. Vinewrath is, too. The two of them have crafted their minions differently.
I theorize that the Elder Dragons don’t make tiny minions, they only make Champions and the champions make the tiny minions. It’d make sense for the new twist.
I get the feeling that minions, when far from their Elder Dragon, “belong” to the champion. And the Pale Tree is a champion of Mordremoth. Vinewrath is, too. The two of them have crafted their minions differently.
Well we do have some evidence from Zhaitan that Champions do have some tactical control over their minions. Although the exact mechanics of Elder Dragon control aren’t detailed anyway.
My gut feeling is that it’ll be a mix of willpower and the Pale Tree being able to continue to provide some protection, even if she might only be able to protect those close to her (both in terms of physical proximity and a few important individuals that warrant extra attention such as the PC).
At some stage in HoT, we may find some means of more effectively fighting back against Mordremoth’s influence. Healing the Pale Tree will probably be a significant step.
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That’s generally my thought as well. People using spoiler tags and such is appreciated, but if you really want to avoid spoilers… wait until you’ve played the content before perusing the forums.
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They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.
If the Forgotten had conducted a magical ritual on Glint that purified her from being a Elder Dragon Champion as purported, then I don’t see why Ventari and his tribe could not have done the same on the Pale Tree seed.
Think for a minute, Ventari and his centar tribe in the Silver Waste were close to the Forgotten Sealed door way. This coincident would indicate that Ventari or his predecessor centar tribe were in close proximity to the Forgotten in the past. The ritual of purification on Glint could even be a collaborative effort from the Forgotten with Ventari’s tribe and which the Forgotten subsequently used on Glint.
So, much later on Ventari could have inherited this purification ritual from his ancestors, and he in turn carried out a purification ritual on the Pale Tree seed pod. There might even have been a magical side effect of this purification ritual which is a boon. Noticed how both Glint and the Pale Tree are prophets? Well this prophetic boon could be the side effect both Glint and the Pale Tree acquired after the same or similar purification ritual.
Edit: Noticed too, how similar Glint world view on other races is compare to Ventari’s teaching as expressed through the Sylvari world view. All the above would indicate direct connection between the Forgotten/Glint purification ritual and Ventari’s tribe/ Ventari teaching/ventari purification ritual on the pale tree seed pod.
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The Forgotten purification ritual was performed on Orr, where there is no indication that centaurs have ever been. We can even visit the exact location in the relevant Arah path.
That a similar ritual was performed on the Pale Tree – or one of her ancestors – is a common hypothesis. However, I’m inclined to think it more likely that the Forgotten employed it directly rather than that Ventari had access to it.
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I agree. The centaurs are not the Forgotten and there isn’t much to suggest that they have access to ancient or powerful magic. Their proximity to the Forgotten may have been curiosity, not familiarity.
That said, there may be some reason that Anet is throwing in the Centaurs. The reason that they’ve given is that Wynne spends her time with the Centaurs in order to learn more about Ventari and his teachings. But it also seems that she spends part of that time in the cave.
If Anet’s storytelling here is to be trusted, Wynne is innocent and trustworthy, thus probably didn’t have any other secrets that she was holding back. But at the same time, the cave she went into was sealed to us (though, obviously not to Caithe and Faolain). When she rushed in during the past, did she simply leave it open for Caithe and Faolain to follow her inside? Or was it not sealed at all in the past and only appeared that way to us because that was the end of our vision?
I think it’s simply that Wynne wasn’t able to re-seal it in time to stop Caithe and Faolain from following.
People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.
That said, there may be some reason that Anet is throwing in the Centaurs. The reason that they’ve given is that Wynne spends her time with the Centaurs in order to learn more about Ventari and his teachings. But it also seems that she spends part of that time in the cave.
I think the Centaurs are primarily there because of the link to Ventari.
Wynne was undoubtedly researching Ventari and the centaurs in the Silverwastes were the closest link to Ventari she could find.
What is speculation is why she was doing it. Maybe she truly just wanted to learn more about Ventari, he’s essentially a religious figure to the Sylvari. A common thread is most religions is the idea that there religious figures were without sin (Jesus, Mohamed, Buddha etc.) and thus that there lives over a sort of guide as to how we can live our lives (remember the saying: what would Jesus do?).
Now the assumption that Wynne had ulterior motives for studying Ventari is at this point not yet factual. Wynne could have been studying Ventari to learn more about what he did or didn’t do to the Pale Tree seed. She could be studying Ventari to continue the ruse that Sylvari aren’t Mordrem. Maybe it’s because of her Wylde Hunt (if she even had one), although we don’t know what her Wylde Hunt could be. All we know is that Wynne’s dream revealed the truth about Sylvari and their connection with Mordy