Guild Wars 2

I would like to hear your thoughts this can be GW1 or GW2.
1) Master Togo
He give new meaning to the term lazy kitten as he actually is a illegitimate child. And while you are killing hoards of afflicted he decides to go chill at the emperors place for awhile and get…reinforcements.
2) Trahearne
We all know why
Favorites.
1)Eve
She would make Mike Tyson proud.
2)Gwen
Look at the Chibi Gwen doll and tell me that isn’t the best thing ever.

RE: Traherne; no, I don’t know why everyone hates him. But yes, everyone seems to. Why?

I, too, don’t really get why people hate Trahearne. Yes, I’ve heard all of your explanations, but I don’t see those explanations to be what the situation actually is. He doesn’t really go stealing the personal story, nor does he die a lot for me (hell, he survives more than most other NPCs in the personal story). The only bad thing Trahearne has (that other NPCs don’t, at the very least) is horrid voice acting.

And what does Togo being an illegitimate child have to do with his actions, and when did he decide to “chill at the emperor’s place” to get reinforcements? It’s actually you who goes to get reinforcements. The only time Togo isn’t dealing with the threat is during Nahpui Quarter – and that’s because he is already Weh no Su.

And I’d say that most people hate Gwen a lot, actually. And no, the chibi Gwen doll is not the best thing ever.

My most hated NPC? That’s hard to say. I can’t really say I hate any NPC – I don’t care for so many, but I don’t hate them. Closest I could say would probably be Zhed – he seriously needs anger management issues (yes, more than Gwen – she actually has a reason to be kitten off 95% of the time).

My most favorite? Probably a tie between Lord Faren, Maverick, and Dinky for humorous NPCs, and with Vallus Smokemane because tbh, of all personal story NPCs, he felt like the most thought out one (and Clement Forktail I guess, but less so) – oh, and GW2’s King Adelbern, cuz his laugh sounds like Father Gregori from Half-Life 2.

I’ve noticed in the people I play with, the most hateds are Logan and Trahearne…

Favourites…Sieran and Tybald. xD And pretty much every quaggan on the planet.

I only hate razah cause I have no idea what happened to him. I was expecting hm to rule all of Tyria with the dragons at his mercy. Also he should have been the MoW.

If I had to say favourite I’d say Razah although I have no idea what happened to him. I was expecting hm to rule all of Tyria with the dragons at his mercy. Also he should have been the MoW.

Most people I play with seem to dislike Logan, like Katzyn said. I personally really like Trahearne but I’m one of the only ones who does not see the problem with him. Except for his voice-acting, it doesn’t have enough emotion in it. But I dislike Jenna’s voice-acting too because it sounds too much like my Sylvari PC. Who is my main. I love her.

My personal favourite characters are probably Snarl Backdraft and Galina Edgecrusher. And Gorr. And Tybalt. And I might be forgetting some.

Most hated in GW1:
Gwen: I like to spit on her grave. I really enjoy it. Maybe we’ll get an addon that allows to dig her up so I can resurrect and kill her again. Over and over again.

Most loved in GW1:
Tie between the Mad King Thorn and Palawa Joko. I really like undead overlords.

Most hated in GW2:
Trahearne and the Salad Crew: Yeah actually every Sylvari belongs to that category. They are stiff, boring, annyoing, uncanny, not easily-flammable enough and so on. Only exeption: Carys. She is decent enough.

Most loved in GW2:
Tie between Tybalt Leftpaw and Gullik Oddson (he appears ingame too, so he counts). Both are great for their own reasons.

Honorable mentions in the category hated:
Rurik, Shiro Tagachi, Logan Thackery, Zojja, Caithe

Honorable mentions in the category loved:
Jalis Ironhammer and his brother, Glint, Kuunavang, Koss, Dunkoro, Master of Whipsers (Jurah), Abaddon, Pyre Fierceshot, Olaf Olafson, every single Skritt ever

Never played GW1, so:

Hated: Dredge leaders. I get you guys were slaves, but that was 250 years ago. Progress to something other than annoying Communist naked molerats, please.
Risen and Zhaitan: Undeath does not need to be so … tasteless. Get some style, and for cryin out loud … L2Shower. (You also keep killing people I like, d-bags).

Loved:
Sieran, Tybalt – it’s a tie, they’re both some seriously entertaining folks. Caithe, for being able to even remotely put up with the rest of Destiny’s Edge, and their ’tudes.
Mr-Freaking-Sparkles – dialogue, need I continue? Anise – the only major NPC Mesmer who looks the sodding part.

Apathetic:
Jenna and Traeherne: Just a tad bit more emotion, kids. Just a bit more …

The reason why people hate Trahearne:

1) He is a poorly written character who’s only purpose is to pull deus ex machinas out of his butt to miraculously advance the plot.
2) He is a poorly acted character who’s dialogue sounds like someone used one of those speech programs.
3) He steals your personal story and reduces your character to a sidekick. My Norn would’ve strangled the talking carrot for stealing his thunder.
4) He replaces the most beloved characters; the Pact Mentors. All three are among the better characters in the game.

My favorite is probably Zojja. Sieran definitely is close, though. I like the spunky types.

My least favorite is… well, Trahearne, naturally. I hate reluctant-hero characters.
On the story-stealing bit— I guess it’s not so much that he steals your personal story, but that he makes you realize the personal story was never about you. When he shows up, that’s when you start to realize the story isn’t building up to your big moment. Your big moment was at the very beginning of the game, in the tutorial. From there on out you’re playing tagalong with the canon heroes— specifically Trahearne, who you’ve JUST met (except sylvari) and are shown the future where he will achieve great and glorious things. That’s where the thunder-stealing resentment comes in. I think Oglaf hit the nail on the head with his reasons, especially #4.

Eh. Moving on… this thread shouldn’t turn into yet another Trahearne-hating thread.

I want to include Tybalt as my least favorite as well, since everybody else loves him. I join a secretive, elite organization of spies and assassins, and my primary contact is a bumbling, happy-go-lucky, apple-brained charr? No, no thanks. I’ll only be doing the Order of Whispers on one character, I think.

Zojja? Spunky? I wouldn’t call any Asura “spunky”. They’re stuck up and irritating. The way Zojja treats Eir makes me wanna jump into the game and strangle that shaved badger to death.

Well, all of the drama between Destiny’s Edge is awkward and contrived. When Zojja interacts with Eir, she feels completely out of character from what she had been the previous 20 levels I spent with her.

And that’s true for all of Destiny’s Edge. Each character is pretty cool, but once they start dealing with their old friends, they turn into ugly, petty children.

PS: Spunk is, like, the asuras’ main characteristic. After hubris, anyway. Honestly, the player voice for the male asura just blows me away every time he talks, with how arrogantly cheerful he says the most mundane things.

At least Logan and Rytlock’s bromance bickering seems somewhat appropriate. Zojja is just so extremely mean and kitteny towards Eir that I can’t stand her.

Yeah… I was really disappointed in Zojja when she started getting all snappy. Outside of that, though, she’s freakin’ awesome.

I feel that Snaff’s death was pretty much a collective fail for Destiny’s Edge. I don’t see how she can logically put all blame on Eir.

Because Eir was the leader and Zojja, despite thinking she is smarter than anyone, trusted into Eir’s intellect in this case. I don’t think it is easy for an Asura to accept a bookah as their “superior”, so doing that needs a lot of trust. And this trust was betrayed. Therefore she hates Eir.
It still would make more sense if she hated on Logan, since it was him missing that lead to the Branded breaking through the defensives so early.

(Also nobody has the right to hate on Eir, she is the coolest of the bunch, Rytlock is okay too I guess)

Hmm, hard to choose NPCs I hate. NPCs I like though, I’ve got a list.

Tybalt – ANet, still waiting for that plush of my adorkable mentor
Detha – “YOUR PLAN IS JUST STUPID AND WON’T WORK!”
Rytlock – He oozes kittenery and manliness that I can’t help but like him
Zojja – She’s one of the only Asura I really like in this game, thanks to not being a total jerk about everything and not thinking of only herself (I really dislike Asura for this reason)
Logan – Why? Because where else would we get our thread of Thackery jokes from?
Let’s face, THE ENTIRETY OF DESTINY’S EDGE.
Jenna – She gains like points for being able to make an illusion of an Elder Dragon. That takes some serious power and gets her some of my respect.
Warmaster Forgal – His dialogue is so witty that it’s hard NOT to like him.
etc.

Basically, got a long list of faves, barely any dislikes.

Favorite: Gwen, I started playing GW before EotN so it was a nice to surprise to see the cute little girl not only grow up but also take the fight to the murderous Charr with a vengeance, join your team and last but not least become a Mesmer (my main class in both games), the fact that she hates Charr with a passion is just a bonus

Most hated: Tybalt, this dude completely destroyed any respect I might have had for the order of whispers, I simply cannot take them seriously anymore if they allow bumbling fools like him into their ranks, not to mention that once you join up with him the story ceases to be about you as you just become a sidekick to Tybalt (although the same can be said of all the mentors and treharne)

Hated: All members of Destiny’s Edge as well as Trahearne. I also don’t like that Riel revealed herself as the Master of Whispers. It would have been more Whispers-like if she didn’t show her cards and instead have a Preceptor feigned being the Master.

Loved: All of the political figures and members of the guard that made up the first half of my human story, and many Whispers agents. Specifically Anise and Demmi. I prefer real characters instead of larger-than-life lore figures.

Skamlic.8041:

It’s Eir’s fault that Snaff died. She could help defeat minions with Logan and then attack elder dragon.

No. No she could not. The Elder Dragon would not just sit around twiddle it’s thumbs waiting for them to return after saving Jennah. It was a once in a lifetime sort of thing.

Most hated: Trahearne of course
Most loved: Rytlock, he is the only member of Destiny’s Edge that didn’t screw up.

schizandra.4587:

RE: Traherne; no, I don’t know why everyone hates him. But yes, everyone seems to. Why?

You go from hero to lackey, and it ceases to be the story of you, and instead the story of Traherne, through the lackey’s eyes.

Is it realistic? yes, but this is a fantasy game.

Most loved: Rytlock, he is the only member of Destiny’s Edge that didn’t screw up.

Depends on your definition of screwed up. That sword he wields holds the key to freeing his people from the ghosts of ascalon, but he wont surrender it to the humans out of pure arrogance.

Unitl recently the other sword was stuck in Ascalon so it would have been irrevellant who held Solothin. As far as we know Maegdburn hasn’t been reforged yet. Plus Rytlock has no reason to trust Humans.

plasmacutter.2709:

schizandra.4587:

RE: Traherne; no, I don’t know why everyone hates him. But yes, everyone seems to. Why?

You go from hero to lackey, and it ceases to be the story of you, and instead the story of Traherne, through the lackey’s eyes.

Is it realistic? yes, but this is a fantasy game.

Most loved: Rytlock, he is the only member of Destiny’s Edge that didn’t screw up.

Depends on your definition of screwed up. That sword he wields holds the key to freeing his people from the ghosts of ascalon, but he wont surrender it to the humans out of pure arrogance.

Ok. I hear this arguement alot of how Trehearne stole the characters place and it ceases to be a story about you.

You know what he would be doing while you were traveling south to orr, destroying Risen installations and leading men at the front line? He would be traveling a safe path under escort to insure he was both safe and constantly contactable. He would have been spending hours going over logistics, meeting representatives from verious races, briefing and being briefed by pact soldiers and officers and setting up plans in great detail.

You know what he would have been doing when you were fighting across Orr, taking down Zhiatan’s champions and spearheading the most important and dangerious missions? He would have been making sure there was sufficant food, water and equipment scheduled to pass through to the front lines along with reinforcements to keep the pact moving forward. He would have been going over reports and spending ours deligating roles and meeting with staff.

Being the General sucks.

Trehearne only turns up for a handful of important missions and one is because hes the expert who came up with the ritual you use. Almost the entire rest of the time from the point you leave him at Fort Concorde, including in the fight against Zhaitan, hes in the background playing support.

Trehearne obviously has issues but I dont think its that he suplants the player character.

As for Rytlock, assuming he knows of the rumor, he would first have to find a appropriate human that would be willing to take the risk of facing down the ghosts of Ascalon based on a unsubstanciated rumor. Considering there are only two known decendents of Doric left and one of them is the queen of Kryta, that might be hard to ask for.

Add to the fact that at least one version of the rumor I heard talked of a ‘true heir to the throne of Ascalon’ which Jennah isnt, it makes the whole thing rather unlikely even if Rytlock gave up the sword, particularly since the whole thing might not be true.

The Charr tend to prefer to do things themselves anyway and they have made alot of progress towards dealing with the ghost problems through technology.

Oglaf.1074:

Skamlic.8041:

It’s Eir’s fault that Snaff died. She could help defeat minions with Logan and then attack elder dragon.

No. No she could not. The Elder Dragon would not just sit around twiddle it’s thumbs waiting for them to return after saving Jennah. It was a once in a lifetime sort of thing.

It was Eir’s choice to remain and fight when Glint herself said that if they worked together they could stand a chance against Kralkatorrik.

It was Eir’s choice not to modify the plan after Logan left.

It was Eir’s words that Logan used as an excuse to leave.

Destiny’s Edge didn’t have to face Kralkatorrik. They didn’t have to use the same strategy designed for all six members being present. They didn’t have to make a stand against Kralkatorrik – they could have had Glint run and hide, or simply abandon her (she’s only important to the humans historically speaking), they as a group could have gone to defend Ebonhawke – Glint included – though that would have just brought the Elder Dragon to Ebonhawke’s doorsteps. But Eir decided to make that stand, a stand intended for six members of Destiny’s Edge, and Snaff died because of that decision.

It’s both of their faults.

plasmacutter.2709:

You go from hero to lackey, and it ceases to be the story of you, and instead the story of Traherne, through the lackey’s eyes.

Is it realistic? yes, but this is a fantasy game.

You do realize that you start as a lackey of your race’s Destiny’s Edge hero. And then go to being a lackey of your mentor (Forgal, Tybalt, or Seiran), and then a “lackey” of Trahearne.

You’re always a lackey to someone to some degree.

But TBH, you’re always in a position – sans the lvl 30-40 storyline where you’re proving your worth to your order – where you have the freedom to chose what you do. But you’re still the lackey. You’re the lackey that makes the decisions and does all the cool stuff. You’re the lackey that gets recognized for being a hero – even within the Pact.

plasmacutter.2709:

Depends on your definition of screwed up. That sword he wields holds the key to freeing his people from the ghosts of ascalon, but he wont surrender it to the humans out of pure arrogance.

That’s only legends. It’s not necessarily true.

The Charr tend to prefer to do things themselves anyway and they have made alot of progress towards dealing with the ghost problems through technology.

The ghosts they dispatch are never truly “slain”.

They will “respawn” over an unsubstantiated period of time.

The charr are tilting at windmills thinking they will win any measure of strategic victory, no matter how many ghosts they neutralize tactically at any one time.

They will never know peace, and they deserve never to know peace until they learn remorse for using WMD’s against a civilian populace. (they still consider this legitimate)

plasmacutter.2709:

The Charr tend to prefer to do things themselves anyway and they have made alot of progress towards dealing with the ghost problems through technology.

The ghosts they dispatch are never truly “slain”.

They will “respawn” over an unsubstantiated period of time.

The charr are tilting at windmills thinking they will win any measure of strategic victory, no matter how many ghosts they neutralize tactically at any one time.

They will never know peace, and they deserve never to know peace until they learn remorse for using WMD’s against a civilian populace. (they still consider this legitimate)

The charr have developed weapons which lead to ghosts taking longer to remanifest, meaning they at least are starting to understand the mechanics behind the remanifestation. Further they have developed a device that renders ghosts in an area passive (displayed by a dynamic event in the Diessa Plateau) and they have developed a method for both capturing and containing ghosts (as shown in both a dynamic event and several hearts in the Ashford Plains).

Id say considering that these three technologies are already in existance, the charr are well on the way to developing a method of supressing the ghosts to the point where they become a maintanance issue even if they cant wipe them out.

You seem to forget that they have created devices which contain the ghosts – preventing them from reforming – and they’re developing weapons that are making the ghosts take longer to reform. It’d only be a matter of time – as far as they’re concerned – before they go from “slows them down” and “hinders them” to “removes them completely.”

Konig Des Todes.2086:

You seem to forget that they have created devices which contain the ghosts – preventing them from reforming – and they’re developing weapons that are making the ghosts take longer to reform. It’d only be a matter of time – as far as they’re concerned – before they go from “slows them down” and “hinders them” to “removes them completely.”

In short…

If there’s something strange, in your catacombs. Who you gonna call?

Well I’m going to derail your derail. :P

Favorite GW1 character: Prince Rurik, he had the guts to stand up to his father and get disowned so he could save at least some portion of his people and ensure that they’d have a chance to see tomorrow. Not to mention he kept on fighting and didn’t let rage consume him like his father, even though the Charr took his beloved Althea.

Don’t really remember especially hating anyone in GW1.

GW2 : Even though he’s not in the game, Snaff has to be the best character ever. He truly cares for his friends and Zojja, but also cracks some pretty great jokes at Zojja’s expense. Not to mention the fact that I can’t seem to remember him holding a grudge against anyone for any reason at all, he’s a pretty forgiving guy.

Least Favorite GW2: Zojja, hands down. We get that Snaff died, stop blaming everyone for it and driving Eir to almost commit suicide via Jormag’s followers.

Guild Wars 1
Most Hated: Gwen and Cynn. Both of them are pathetic and whiny. Instead of becoming mature, strong individuals as a result of the hardships they face, they scream and cry at everyone, have tantrums and fits of rage, and act illogical. I feel bad for Mhenlo and Kerian Thackray or whoever.
Most Loved: Pyre and Danika Zu Heltzer. I don’t know. They just appealed to me. And yes, I liked Danika’s voice.

Guild Wars 2:
Most Hated: Logan and Rytlock. Mostly Logan. He got all of great-grandma Gwen’s bad traits, but at least Gwen was fairly smart—Logan is dumb as a doorknob. I think his lack of brainpower has forced him to think with his man parts 24-7…. the obsession with Jenna and the babyish fight with Rytlock show that much. Which leads into why I hate Rytlock… because he lets himself get baited by Logan’s crap. Rytlock’s all right most of the time, but when anything has to do with Logan, he turns into an angry 11-year-old.

Most Loved: Dinky, Galina Edgecrusher, and all the Asura

Oh yeah… and although they didn’t make my most hated list, I HATE THE LARGOS. The Largos are what happen when you take everything 12-year-olds think is cool and put it in a blender.
Dark elves+aion wings+fairy butterflies+vampires+super-secret-assassin-people+chicks with big breasts=LARGOS

I honestly do not have any favourite characters in guild wars 2 primarily because the story seems like a middle school teenager wrote a paper in hopes of getting an A+ until someone stumbled across it laying in a gutter. Although if I really had to pick, it would be any of the Largos characters with the worst characters being Trahearne, the elder dragons and especially destiny’s edge, never in all my days I have seen such a group of poorly written characters with a grudge romance story as horrible as twilight was.

Now for the original guild wars my favourite characters would be Nicholas & Rurik, Rurik was an aspiring character with great decisive judgement never holding back the potential of the story with his personal feelings. Nicholas has seen it all, from the beautiful enigmatic city of the gods(700 yr old man? Make it happen!), Arah to the towering gates of Ebonhawke, if there were to be a visual story then Nicholas would be the one to tell it. No doubt if I had the decision to remake the original then I would definitely bring those two back.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Detha – "YOUR PLAN IS JUST STUPID AND WON’T WORK!.

I love her for that line!

I was thinking today about this and I think the reason that I personally dislike traherne the most is the bad tactics of the pact, and I know some/all of it could be for gameplay purposes but we never formed battle lines to slowly and completely eliminate the enemy (with a slight exception of when you take cathedral of glorious victory). instead camps are set up in an undefensible line, I mean if you look at cursed shore the way many camps are set up you are zigzaging back and forth accross the whole map, this approach would waste many pact lives that could be used on other campaigns against other dragons. Also I couldn’t think of a single mission, quest, anything where the pact used all of their ability to fight (land,sea,air).

he is the marshall of the pact, a leader if he doesn’t know how to conduct a full scale war step down

Weindrasi.3805:

Oh yeah… and although they didn’t make my most hated list, I HATE THE LARGOS. The Largos are what happen when you take everything 12-year-olds think is cool and put it in a blender.
Dark elves+aion wings+fairy butterflies+vampires+super-secret-assassin-people+chicks with big breasts=LARGOS

Finally someone who shares my sentiment on that topic!

Most Hated GW1:
Gwen and Kormir. I know they were trying to write Gwen as a victimized little girl who comes back as a fierce woman and beats down her oppresors, which I would have absolutely loved, but instead they just wrote an awkwardly angry, whiny brat. She has no real depth besides “bad things happened to me and I’m mad about it.” It feels cheap. Kormir just grates on me.

Most Loved GW1:
Zhed Shadowhoof, Vekk, Jora, Pyre Fierceshot, Talon Silverwing ah.. I really enjoyed most of the heros, and Talon there is a henchman. Also, Palawa Joko and Mad King Thorn. Grenth. Abaddon. The non-human characters, and the darker characters, had a lot of depth to me. Even with Orr and all the Risen, Guild Wars 1 was a much darker, more serious game than its sequel, and I enjoyed it a lot. I would have probably liked Rurik more if he didn’t Leeroy Jenkins every time I was out with him in pve missions.

Most Hated:
Carys. Oh dear god. You would think “stupidity” would be easy to write, but apparently not. She comes across, to me, as an adult woman pretending to act like a five year old child in the most stereotypical way she possibly can. She also reminds me of those spork-doom-penguin Invader Zim fan kids that were all over the internet in the early-mid 2000’s for some reason, ugh. And, spoiler alert, how does someone this thick in the head and immature lead the Pale Reavers? Trahearne is a very close second, if only because I don’t know if it’s possible to surpass the bad writing for Carys. But don’t get me wrong, Trahearne (Kormir 2.0) himself is a doozy. His voice isn’t good, but the voice actor truly did not have much to work with at all. The writing for him is so uninspired, in dialogue and plot, that I probably would have phoned in my performance out of sheer boredom and indifference, too. He is, also, truly king of Deus Ex Machina.
Disclaimer: I do not hate Sylvari. They are my favorite race. Unfortunately, they’ve produced some awful characters and some really bland ones (Pale Tree, I’m looking at you).

Most Loved GW2:
Tybalt Leftpaw and the Asura. The whole race. They are entertaining, funny, generally well-written, and capable of very serious moments. Whoever was writing for these guys knew what they were doing. Their voice acting is typically top notch as well. Eir is pretty awesome, too, from what little I’ve seen of her so far. I only just made a norn a few days ago.

Bonus:
Destiny’s Edge collectively is about as horrendous as Carys, but only when you get them all together. My god, what an insufferable group of squabbling idiots. Zojja is especially bad here, I liked her until I saw her spiteful, hateful side – making her the only Asura I’m not fond of.

Oglaf.1074:

Weindrasi.3805:

Oh yeah… and although they didn’t make my most hated list, I HATE THE LARGOS. The Largos are what happen when you take everything 12-year-olds think is cool and put it in a blender.
Dark elves+aion wings+fairy butterflies+vampires+super-secret-assassin-people+chicks with big breasts=LARGOS

Finally someone who shares my sentiment on that topic!

Oh my god, I’m so glad I’m not the only one. It’s even worse because they’re like a cheap knockoff of Mass Effect’s Quarian race, they weren’t even trying to be subtle about it. I don’t like Quarians either, so to me, it’s a crappy ripoff of something I already dislike, with added “cool to 12 year olds” factor. The female you go on personal story missions with is a copy of Tali’Zorah nar Rayya with water wings.
Actually, checking the wiki, that Largos’ name is Sayeh al’Rajihd.
..Wow.

Egon Vidar.9125:

Oglaf.1074:

Weindrasi.3805:

Oh yeah… and although they didn’t make my most hated list, I HATE THE LARGOS. The Largos are what happen when you take everything 12-year-olds think is cool and put it in a blender.
Dark elves+aion wings+fairy butterflies+vampires+super-secret-assassin-people+chicks with big breasts=LARGOS

Finally someone who shares my sentiment on that topic!

Oh my god, I’m so glad I’m not the only one. It’s even worse because they’re like a cheap knockoff of Mass Effect’s Quarian race, they weren’t even trying to be subtle about it. I don’t like Quarians either, so to me, it’s a crappy ripoff of something I already dislike, with added “cool to 12 year olds” factor. The female you go on personal story missions with is a copy of Tali’Zorah nar Rayya with water wings.
Actually, checking the wiki, that Largos’ name is Sayeh al’Rajihd.
..Wow.

Hating an NPC bc of what race she is, OMG what a bunch of 12 year olds you are lol :P

@Olaf Egon Wein, LOL! It’s perhaps the most exquisite race I’ve seen in any game to date. Just pathetic, how about some elucidation to validate you’re claims as to why they’re an aion knock off/massafail. Dark elves? Since it has pointy ears so it must be an elf…. Ha idiotic! Now if you think they’re wings you’re obviously suffering some severe brain damage, those are fins quite honestly I must say, what an utter laughable excuse for trolling I have ever seen.

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

Egon Vidar.9125:

Oglaf.1074:

Weindrasi.3805:

Oh yeah… and although they didn’t make my most hated list, I HATE THE LARGOS. The Largos are what happen when you take everything 12-year-olds think is cool and put it in a blender.
Dark elves+aion wings+fairy butterflies+vampires+super-secret-assassin-people+chicks with big breasts=LARGOS

Finally someone who shares my sentiment on that topic!

Oh my god, I’m so glad I’m not the only one. It’s even worse because they’re like a cheap knockoff of Mass Effect’s Quarian race, they weren’t even trying to be subtle about it. I don’t like Quarians either, so to me, it’s a crappy ripoff of something I already dislike, with added “cool to 12 year olds” factor. The female you go on personal story missions with is a copy of Tali’Zorah nar Rayya with water wings.
Actually, checking the wiki, that Largos’ name is Sayeh al’Rajihd.
..Wow.

Hating an NPC bc of what race she is, OMG what a bunch of 12 year olds you are lol :P

When the race is badly written, designed even worse, and said design is a shoddy copy of a massively popular design aimed at the same demographic, then it’s a bit warranted for some people to dislike it. Also, I never said I hated her or her race but you lumped me in there, too. I dislike them.
It’s totally okay for people to vocally not like the things you like. I didn’t jump on the people in this very same thread who said they like Carys and Gwen, even though I strongly dislike them.

Nightarch.2943:

@Olaf Egon Wein, LOL! It’s perhaps the most exquisite race I’ve seen in any game to date. Just pathetic, how about some elucidation to validate you’re claims as to why they’re an aion knock off/massafail. Dark elves? Since it has pointy ears so it must be an elf…. Ha idiotic! Now if you think they’re wings you’re obviously suffering rather some severe brain damage, those are fins quite honestly I must say, what an utter laughable excuse for trolling I have ever seen.

They look, sound, act, and have the same accents as Quarians from Mass Effect, I’m fairly certain the two races even share a voice actress. I also said “water wings,” snidely, they are obviously designed after the wing-like fins of the manta ray/sting ray, but also look like butterfly wings. That are used in the water. Not being literal 100% of the time does not make one “brain damaged.” If it did, your own hyperbole would land you in the same boat. Someone disliking a race you clearly love is not trolling, it is a differing opinion. It is not a personal attack on you. I promise.

This was a lovely little derail, but can we avoid the ad hominem attacks and overblown reactions to someone not liking a fictional race in a video game before this thread gets shut down?

Yeah, I’m not going to bother really reading others’ replies.

My most un-favorite NPC thus far is Minister Cadaceus. Or Faolain. I’m not sure which one I want to punch through a wall more, the smug superior “you can’t prove anything so you can’t touch me” son-of-a-moa or the “come with me and I’ll make you never care about anything again beyond how loud the screams are” tulip. Honorable mention goes to Tybalt “go drink with the pirates, this is the most awesome plan ever” Leftpaw. Not because I hate him, but because I wanted to swirly his head after he admitted he wasn’t an experienced field operative. After the mission where I trusted his methods.

My most favorite is probably Eurayle.She likes setting things on fire or blowing them up. A close second is Mangonel Gearstrip, the charr who can’t hold his mead and lost a fight with a tree. Honorable mention goes to Rytlock or Logan with the condition neither are in their moody teenager phases.

@Egon, I apologize for the rough approach LOL! I value honest opinions and that was mine questioning you as to why they’re like the…. Q’s from Mass effect, you just didn’t provide enough information and you still don’t. The Quarians are more like the Vanir from Stargate Atlantis imo. Also this is the lore forum, no one barely posts in it let alone moderate it. To be technical derailing the topic would to go and create your own topic and post matters there instead but since it’s all in the same thread it’s rather relevant. It’s like saying the charr are a clone of the tauren with catlike features added to them or the sylvari are a stolen concept from the dark age of camelot’s sylvan without backing yourself up.

@Nightarch.
It’s fine! I don’t mind. I didn’t back myself up because I didn’t feel it was needed if you have played Mass Effect, playing it and dealing with the Quarians makes the similarities very obvious. Here’s some video that shows what I’m talking about so I don’t have to write paragraphs about it.
Largos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E796F-Dows&t=2m41s
Quarian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3BoxKO-HF0

The physical design is very similar, but not identical – if they were any more alike, Anet would likely have Bioware on its backside for infringing on its intellectual property. As it is, they’re a close copy, with identical voices and the exact same naming conventions, undoubtedly to cash in on the immense popularity of Tali, who has a pretty huge fanbase. Personally, I don’t care for her or for Quarians at all. I also don’t watch Stargate Atlantis so I wouldn’t know about that.

And I’ll leave it at that and stop cluttering up this thread.

Nightarch.2943:

@Olaf Egon Wein, LOL! It’s perhaps the most exquisite race I’ve seen in any game to date. Just pathetic, how about some elucidation to validate you’re claims as to why they’re an aion knock off/massafail. Dark elves? Since it has pointy ears so it must be an elf…. Ha idiotic! Now if you think they’re wings you’re obviously suffering some severe brain damage, those are fins quite honestly I must say, what an utter laughable excuse for trolling I have ever seen.

Dark Elves: It’s not just the ears. It’s the dark skin tone, the white flowing hair (on a deep-sea creature? REALLY? hah!), the hyperfemine and hypermasculine male and female bodies, and the fetish armor. They resemble dark elves and/or night elves to a great degree—their design, from their colors, to their ears, to their sexuality—screams cliched evil fantasy elf. Metal fetish armor and humanoid body types are NOT what you should find on something that lives underwater.

Wings: Those bulky butterfly wings would actually PREVENT a creature from swimming. The lore excuse that they’re fins is rediculous and easy to see through. The designers can’t implement air-combat, but corny aion wings and butterfly fairies are in high demand among kid gamers. So, they slapped some butterfly wings on something and then called them fins. The intention wasn’t to be creative or design a functional sea race—it was to suck in a certain player demographic. As a result, those things growing out of the Largos’s backs aren’t remotely belivable on a sea race.

Largos are like Quarians? Wha..?

The voice is the only similarity. Oh and they wear masks. That it. Their society, natural habitat, rights of passage, technological bend and physiology is all different.

They have similar physical design? You mean humaniod, like almost every other race in the game. Thats the only similarities physically.

Largos only difference to a human form is that they have gray skin, pointed ears and fins on their backs.

Quarians have different leg structures, different body shape, a different number of fingers and a different number of toes.

How, apart from the voice, are Quarians any more like Largos than humans are?

@Weindrasi Have you ever seen a stingray swim? I could see very easily how those back ‘wings’ could be very effective in helping Largos swim. If anything its the fact they use swords as an aquatic race that is more out of place.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I, too, don’t really get why people hate Trahearne…

Honestly, it’s just that we have to hear an hour long speech after every fart. He talks entirely too much. At least that’s my issue. He’s much more useful than Logan in an actual fight (so is a dead armadillo), but that doesn’t redeem him from making a ten minute speech every time he has to urinate.

I’ve been reading the ‘Trahearne is a poorly-written character’ argument way too much. Yes, he does have flaws, especially his voice-acting and the way he is inserted into the story. It happens too quickly and you barely know the guy. This is certainly true. But he is not poorly-written. He also does not take the character’s place at the hero-spot. He definitely does not pull a deux ex machina.

You, as commander, get to do all the cool stuff, you decide on what the pact does next and you do most of the actual missions. If you would be the marshal you would be doing all the boring stuff, as explained before in this thread. Would you play a character that does all the paperwork? This isn’t SimCity. I actually believe you keep your hero-status. You do things. You don’t sit on your butt. You go out there and fight.

About the deux ex machina. That doesn’t happen anywhere in the story. You might see his insertion into the story as one, but it theoretically isn’t. Because the only thing that changes is the character that tags along with you, not the actual outcome of the story. I agree that this could’ve happened a lot more smoothly but that doesn’t change the fact that he was about to pop up sooner or later and take your mentor’s place.

Don’t see this as a personal attack to any of you. I can see why you dislike Trahearne, he’s not really a likable character that much. He basically needs more emotion. But as a writer, I get really annoyed at arguments like these.

Weindrasi.3805:

Dark Elves: It’s not just the ears. It’s the dark skin tone, the white flowing hair (on a deep-sea creature? REALLY? hah!), the hyperfemine and hypermasculine male and female bodies, and the fetish armor. They resemble dark elves and/or night elves to a great degree—their design, from their colors, to their ears, to their sexuality—screams cliched evil fantasy elf. Metal fetish armor and humanoid body types are NOT what you should find on something that lives underwater.

Wings: Those bulky butterfly wings would actually PREVENT a creature from swimming. The lore excuse that they’re fins is rediculous and easy to see through. The designers can’t implement air-combat, but corny aion wings and butterfly fairies are in high demand among kid gamers. So, they slapped some butterfly wings on something and then called them fins. The intention wasn’t to be creative or design a functional sea race—it was to suck in a certain player demographic. As a result, those things growing out of the Largos’s backs aren’t remotely belivable on a sea race.

Pretty much what I have to say about them. Many people think they are a realistic playable race, I sure hope they are wrong. Otherwise we have the terrible Sylvari already, so it wouldn’t get worse, we just had another bad race to evenly spread our dislike too.
Though I have to say, I kind of like the Predator feel from the Largos, they just don’t look like they would act like this. They are far too “elfy”. Besides they don’t look like deep sea creatures at all. They look like happy butterfly people on their way to the magical dolphin land, not like mysterious assassins from the ocean depths.
With a bit luck we soon find out that the Largos have a caste system and those wimpy butterflies are just scouts, while the real warrior caste looks like a mix of a shark, manta ray and a Norn. I would role one like this!

Weindrasi.3805:

Nightarch.2943:

@Olaf Egon Wein, LOL! It’s perhaps the most exquisite race I’ve seen in any game to date. Just pathetic, how about some elucidation to validate you’re claims as to why they’re an aion knock off/massafail. Dark elves? Since it has pointy ears so it must be an elf…. Ha idiotic! Now if you think they’re wings you’re obviously suffering some severe brain damage, those are fins quite honestly I must say, what an utter laughable excuse for trolling I have ever seen.

Dark Elves: It’s not just the ears. It’s the dark skin tone, the white flowing hair (on a deep-sea creature? REALLY? hah!), the hyperfemine and hypermasculine male and female bodies, and the fetish armor. They resemble dark elves and/or night elves to a great degree—their design, from their colors, to their ears, to their sexuality—screams cliched evil fantasy elf. Metal fetish armor and humanoid body types are NOT what you should find on something that lives underwater.

Wings: Those bulky butterfly wings would actually PREVENT a creature from swimming. The lore excuse that they’re fins is rediculous and easy to see through. The designers can’t implement air-combat, but corny aion wings and butterfly fairies are in high demand among kid gamers. So, they slapped some butterfly wings on something and then called them fins. The intention wasn’t to be creative or design a functional sea race—it was to suck in a certain player demographic. As a result, those things growing out of the Largos’s backs aren’t remotely belivable on a sea race.

While I disagree, I could understand the dark elf analogy.

However, I greatly disagree with your “wings” – since, as you yourself show, their appearance is that of mantra ray fins (in texture, thickness, and mobility while swimming) that is placed on the body akin to wings. The idea of wings – especially butterfly wings – being used underwater indeed doesn’t make sense… until you see their swimming animation. If you really want to hold to your “wings aren’t realistic for living underwater” you should explain how the swimming animation doesn’t work, because it does kitten well.

Also, there’s one massively major flaw in your claim. If they were made to suck in an age demographic, then they’d be more prominent. They’re greatly hidden in the lore – things made to bring in certain demographic groups are often more prominent and obvious. It’s entirely possible to play through 90% of the game without ever knowing of largos (up to the Orr storyline, and in almost every zone, even the five zones which have largos in them).

I love all of the Largos <3