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Posted by: bom.9853

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As the title says, I would like to know who is the most powerful NPC for each profession?

I’m pretty sure, queen Jennah is strongest Mesmer. and Rytlock is only one Revenant npc right now, so… no doubt he is strongest rev.

But how about other professions?

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Posted by: Amaimon.7823

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I used to believe that Livia was the strongest necromancer.. but I thought her kind of underwhelming.. she hardly even appears to be a necromancer at all.. more like a warrior/mesmer………..

As for the others.. well, obviously the first avatar of Balthazar was most like a warrior at the top of the food chain.
You can argue if Jennah is a powerful mesmer, she did create an entire elder dragon.
I doubt you can pinpoint a single engineer or elementalist due different fields in the subjects.
This is an interesting topic I cant give defenitive answers to, right now

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Posted by: bom.9853

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I used to believe that Livia was the strongest necromancer.. but I thought her kind of underwhelming.. she hardly even appears to be a necromancer at all.. more like a warrior/mesmer………..

I’m not great at Original GW lore, how about Palawa Joko? Can he be the candidate for necro?

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Posted by: Amaimon.7823

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I used to believe that Livia was the strongest necromancer.. but I thought her kind of underwhelming.. she hardly even appears to be a necromancer at all.. more like a warrior/mesmer………..

I’m not great at Original GW lore, how about Palawa Joko? Can he be the candidate for necro?

Yea, I was limiting my thoughts to the “normal” people. Of course Palawa Joko would hold a torch to Livia’s candle. But then you have to argue Pawoko vs the Orrian Vizier Khilbron

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Posted by: Aaron Ansari.1604

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I used to believe that Livia was the strongest necromancer.. but I thought her kind of underwhelming.. she hardly even appears to be a necromancer at all.. more like a warrior/mesmer………..

She doesn’t actually hit anything with that sword. It looked like she was using it as a scepter; in any event, though, all of her attacks had the necro special effects.

Still, I cast my vote for Joko. We kill Khilbron, without much difficulty, and it’s never been clear how much of his army was his own doing, and how much was the Scepter.

For mesmer I would say Jennah, or possibly Kitah.

Elementalist probably goes to Gaheron. No other has gotten close enough to seriously consider claims of godhood.

Engineer, grudgingly, goes to Scarlet. It’d be hard to beat a polymath who’s mastered the techniques of a half-dozen advanced races and has access to a seemingly unlimited resource base.

Ranger… either Zojun or the druids. Problem is, we never see rangers doing anything terribly impressive.

If we include assassin under thief, then either Vizu or Shiro (depending on how much of Shiro’s power you want to attribute to his assassin training, and how much goes to his Enjoy status and the undefined dark powers he researched). If not… it’d have to be Caithe. We don’t have many powerful thief NPCs in game.

Guardian- Logan.

Warrior runs into the ranger issue, but my vote would go to Turai Ossa.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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Are we going for most powerful ever, or most powerful currently? That might change things up a bit.

On Joko… we do get to fight him a couple of times, once as Turai Ossa and he’s a possible opponent in the norn tournament (weirdly enough). In terms of fighting him one-on-one, he’s not that tough – I’d argue weaker than Khilbron, in fact. Now, that might be a characteristic of necromancers in general: they’re not that tough one-on-one, but as they grow more powerful they can maintain an increasingly stronger army of undead. The same argument can be made for Khilbron, however.

To those who think Scarlet hate means she’s succeeded as a villain:
People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.

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Posted by: billtherebel.8127

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Some obvious ones:
Jennah is propably the strongest mesmer
Rytlock the strongest revenant(the only one as I am aware)
Gaheron is the most powerful elementalist from what we’ve seen

The rest of the professions are a bit tricky, especially for rangers and warriors. I would guess that the strongest warrior is either Knut Whitebear or Bangar Ruinbringer, but really we can’t really tell. Same goes for rangers, the only one that seems to stand out was Eir. For the strongest thief i would chose Malice,being the Imperator of the Ash Legion and all. The strongest guardian is normally Logan, but currently Braham(with the scroll).
What really intrigues me are the engineers. Is the strongest the one who fights well or the most resourceful? Whatever the answer, the decision boils down to Scarlet or Smodur. The first one being a genius in mathematics and physics, and the latter being the brilliant mind behind most of the Charr innovations and advancements. However, if these two would figth, I’d my money on Smodur…

As the OP stated " the most powerful NPC", I only included characters that appeared or are active in the second game.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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Logan’s injuries are also a complicating factor. Minister Estelle seemed fairly confident about taking Logan on, and she appears to be a guardian herself. Logan’s comments about his body feeling different and taking up noncombat roles might be an indication that there’ll be some permanent effect that hampers his ability to fight, which might make him weaker as a guardian… or might mean that he’s pushed towards the more magical side of the profession (as Estelle seemed to be) rather than the physical.

To those who think Scarlet hate means she’s succeeded as a villain:
People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.

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Posted by: Amaimon.7823

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Isnt the most powerful of any profession by default whichever profession the player is?
Its Zojja’s own line; the commander is 74.3% of the pacts’ firepower

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Posted by: Aaron Ansari.1604

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Quite possibly, but the thread’s title stipulates we stick to NPCs.

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Posted by: Cirian.8917

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I think it should be current NPCs too. Dead ones don’t count.

Necromancer: Livia. She’s a ~280 year old ascended god-killer. During the GW1 Nightfall campain she joins the player to slay Vizier Khilbron (aka The Lich), Shiro Tagachi AND Abaddon in the Realm of Torment. She witnesses Kormir ascend to godhood. As a Guild Wars 1 character she is omniclass (necromancer primary + access to every other class). Wearing heavy armour is of course new, and that sword & focus fighting style makes one think of guardians and mesmers.

Mesmer: Queen Jenna, as the OP said. Appearently she’s super-powered by her throne or something, or rather the stone artifact behind it.

Engineer: Taimi. Scarlet’s prodigy, need I say more. She has a gadget for anything, and can apparently rewire Omadd’s machine to put two elder dragons to sleep. Jormag was thousands of miles away from that box.

Guardian: Logan Thackeray. The current Marshal of the Pact, took part in 2 successful elder dragon campaigns without dying (just about). Back on his feet although… changed; possibly mutated by Mordremoth’s blighting pod. The only other contender I can think of is Suriel the Blazing Light, still running around Lion’s Arch training for the Next Guantlet.

Thief: Caithe. She became playable in Season 2 and… yeah. OP as hell. Did even better than Logan at dragonslaying by participating in the Mordremoth kill in addition to the Zhaitan kill.

Elementalist: Isgarren. The mysterious occupant of the Wizard’s Tower in Kessex Hills. There are not many really good candidates for top elementalist, so a guy in a flying tower seems as good as any. He’s the guy who controls all the charmed elementals protecting the town of Garenhoff.

Warrior, Ranger, Revenant… no strong feelings.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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Cirian, Livia doesn’t join the heroes of GW1 until Eye of the North. So she’s not present for Khilbron/Shiro (killed 1072 AE), or Varesh/Abaddon (killed 1075 AE). She only helped with killing the Great Destroyer and the War in Kryta, in terms of canon lore. We could bring her for the rest but that isn’t really canon lore.

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Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: Beshbaliq.3724

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Revenant: As was stated a couple of times, Rytlock takes the cake on this one, with being the only canon Revenant . Even the pc doesn’t seem to be, seeing as he’s just as baffled by Rytlocks new magic as everyone else

Guardian: This one would go to Logan by default if it wasn’t for the mentioned changes of his body and Braham powering up with that scroll, so now I guess they’re even now, factoring in Logans accumulated experience versus Brahams evolved Combat Style with Longbow

Warrior: Knut Whitebear takes the crown here. It’s not even a competition. He brought Issormor by himself for Norn-PCs to kill. That means he knocked that giant wurm out cold, pulled him from the ground and dragged him up that mountain – all by himself. If that doesn’tz earn him that spot I don’t know what could

Engineer: While Taimi is a strong contester, I got to go with Scarlet here. Even before she got her mind scrambled by Omadds machine, she mastered just about all the knowledge the Asura had to offer, studied just about any relevant topic with the respective grand masters of the different races, then went on to crate a race of her own (the Steam Creatures), built upgraded versions of those later on and yeah, her later technologies just got more and more advanced

Thief: Yeah, Caithe is the only one that really is in for the competition, since there are no other thiefs worth even mentioning in the whole Story of GW2. IF GW1 and Assassins are facvtored in, I’d go with Vizu

Ranger: Eir, for the same reasons as Caithe. There is just no competition worth mentioning

Elementalist: Baelfire. He almost ascended to godhood. No need to elaborate further

Mesmer: Queen Jennah. Pretty much a No-Brainer by now. Even before Living World Season 3, with what she did during the Ogre Revolt

Necromancer: Am I the only one who remembers Trahearne summoning multiple Flesh Golems at once during the Personal Story? Sure, the Lich and Palawa Joko seem powerfull, but the one had the Scepter of Orr, the other couldn’t even subdue his own servants of old alone, because the Ghost of some sort of descendant of his old Rival took over after he got himself chopped up by said Rival, so… not really that impressive on both accounts

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Posted by: dusanyu.4057

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I think it should be current NPCs too. Dead ones don’t count.

Necromancer: Livia. She’s a ~280 year old ascended god-killer. During the GW1 Nightfall campain she joins the player to slay Vizier Khilbron (aka The Lich), Shiro Tagachi AND Abaddon in the Realm of Torment. She witnesses Kormir ascend to godhood. As a Guild Wars 1 character she is omniclass (necromancer primary + access to every other class). Wearing heavy armour is of course new, and that sword & focus fighting style makes one think of guardians and mesmers.

rBy timeline of lore the only one of these things Livia dis in GW1 eas help fell the Great destryer. you Technicly as a Player charachter did not know her untill the time of Eye of the north. so one could argue that livia was just a henchmen in any events you used her in for any of the events before the EOTN occured.

so i would argue that the strongest Necromancer of Guild wars lore was probably Desmina the first priestess of grenth

as far as warriors one could stongly largue for Saint Viktor zu Heltzer of th Kirzicks or Archemorus of the Luxons.

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Posted by: Manimarco Devil.1790

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Depends on what we are considering: only gw2 characters? total lore? in game power level? Allied characters only?

My combined vote would be

Guardian: Logan

Warrior: Asgeir Dragonrender/Turai Ossa

Revenant: Rytlock (he’s the only one we know of at all)

Mesmer: Xera

Necromaner: Palawa Joko

Elementalist: Gaheron Baelfire

Ranger: Keiran Thackeray

Assassin/Thief : Vizu

Engineer: Oola and/or Scarlet

Bonus Dervish: Varesh Ossa

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Posted by: Wolfey.3407

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My list is done with a couple of presumptions:
1) Thief = Assassin
2) GW1 NPC’s are allowed to be used if a connection to a GW2 class can be established.

Heavy:
Warrior: Mad King Thorn (cheating)
Honorable Mention: Koss, he put up with Kormir…. enough said.

Guardian: Logan
Honorable Mention: Mhenlo on the basis in GWEN he was Monk/Warrior which in essence would satisfy the Guadian requirements. Made it from the start of the series to the end, with a “fiery” companion.

Revenant: Rytlock

Medium:
Ranger: Aidan Had the ability to partake in all of the events in GW1
Honorable Mention: Eir. Not really impressed with her tbh….

Engineer: Taimi, even with the cards she was dealt with in life, she is able to rival if not surpass Scarlet on some levels.
Honorable Mention: Scarlet

Thief: Vizu, Helped with the defeat of Shiro.
Honorable Mention: Caithe

Light:
Elementalist: Gaheron Baelfire
Honorable Mention: Cynn

Mesmer: Queen Jenna
Honorable Mention: Xera, slightly behind the queen, maybe by 0.0005% only if she wasn’t killable….

Necromancer: I’m cheating on this one…. Livia
Honorable Mentions: Eve, Master of Whispers

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Posted by: Amaimon.7823

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Elementalist: Baelfire. He almost ascended to godhood. No need to elaborate further

On the aspect of fire, of course, trouble with elementalists is that the four schools are vastly different. no doubt Baelfire peaks on fire, if don’t take Rodgort into acount. We know too little of Rodgort to consider him a valid candidate, though.
Water/Ice elementalist I know not any significant elementalists, but Zojja is probably a high ranked air elementalist, as for earth.. I’m calling the late centaur shaman, I feel like he could’ve ascended to godhood like baelfire did, if he was given the same resources

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Posted by: Aaron Ansari.1604

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Ulgoth summoned a couple pretty large elementals, but Baelfire went well past that point. Godhood aside, being able to manifest a massive elemental form that tosses out meteors and fireballs like candy is something we’ve not seen any other elementalist even get close to.

Still, you make a good point about resources, but I don’t think that’s something we can correct for. Would we think of Scarlet as at all impressive if she hadn’t been able to pull materials out of pure plot? Would Xera have made our lists without the bloodstones, or Livia without the Scepter? And are we sure that Jennah or Isgarren or Taimi don’t have unfair resources of their own?

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Posted by: Narcemus.1348

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Ulgoth summoned a couple pretty large elementals, but Baelfire went well past that point. Godhood aside, being able to manifest a massive elemental form that tosses out meteors and fireballs like candy is something we’ve not seen any other elementalist even get close to.

Still, you make a good point about resources, but I don’t think that’s something we can correct for. Would we think of Scarlet as at all impressive if she hadn’t been able to pull materials out of pure plot? Would Xera have made our lists without the bloodstones, or Livia without the Scepter? And are we sure that Jennah or Isgarren or Taimi don’t have unfair resources of their own?

Sadly, that route leads to infinite possibilities that cannot be proven. It would be like someone asking who the best fantasy writer is and having anothrt answer JRR Tolkien or
CS Lewis, only for them to be corrected because it was some impoverished child in Calcutta that could have revolutionised Fantasy for all time, but was refused the opportunity because he never got the education he needed. Sadly we can only use the information we were given.

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Posted by: sfxblade.3459

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In my opinion, any character from Prophecies in the Devona team wins hands down. Since they are the only ones in canon, that actually helped in every single major event.

Strongest Warrior: Devona. She participated in the killing of The lich, ascending in the process, later followed Mehnlo to Cantha and helped defeat Shiro. Later she was recruited by Kormir and helped in the defeat of Abaddon, and watched the birth of a new god. Finnaly she continued to the eye of the north and helped kill The Great Destroyer.

Strongest Elementalist: Cynn. Same story as Devona since they were on the same team, plus she single-handedly destroyed a charr warband when she was a kid.

Strongest Necromancer: Verata, developed his own spells to steal other necromancer’s minions, created a cult that was a big threat to kryta.Eve would be up there too since she was with the Devona team.

Strongest Ranger Aidan, another ascended that was in every major event.

Strongest Mesmer After reading the books i have to give this one to Jennah, its not everyday that you manifest Kralkatorik and deceive his own minions hah.

Strongest Engineer Scarlet. She almost killed us all, created an entire category of beings, woke up an elder dragon.

Strongest Guardian Logan, Braham is close.

Strongest Revenant Rytlok…

Strongest Thief I’m not considering Gw1’s assassins for this one, so id say Caithe.

The human race sure seems to be a nice vessel for power to develop to insane amounts, that’s for sure. Then again we don’t have much info on other races.

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Posted by: Ehecatl.9172

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Until we actually see what Isgarren can do, Baelfire should be the top elementalist. Isgarren has an army of elementals and a floating castle, but we don’t actually know if all of that is under his own power or something like the Zephyrite crystals at work. Baelfire on the other hand was almost a god, and has some of the largest scale displays of elemental power we’ve seen. We just don’t know what went into him becoming that strong.

I’d also argue Scarlet is leaps and bounds ahead of Taimi. Taimi is only as good as she is because she has built upon what Scarlet and Omadd left her. Standing on the shoulders of giants as it were. Without them Taimi wouldn’t be all that impressive, even her golem pales in comparison to the golems of say, Snaff. Scarlet, on the other hand, made massive innovations that lead to her nearly conquering all of Tyria.

Strongest ranger… Probably the Druids? According to GW2 druid is a specialized form of ranger, and the Druids have used nature magic to fully transcend mortality. They also have some pretty potent preservation magic at their disposal, though we never see them become aggressive because of their pacifist lifestyle so we can’t gauge their combat potency.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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I’d also argue Scarlet is leaps and bounds ahead of Taimi. Taimi is only as good as she is because she has built upon what Scarlet and Omadd left her. Standing on the shoulders of giants as it were. Without them Taimi wouldn’t be all that impressive, even her golem pales in comparison to the golems of say, Snaff. Scarlet, on the other hand, made massive innovations that lead to her nearly conquering all of Tyria.

By that argument, Scarlet is only as good as she is because of what Omadd, Elli, the Flame Legion, Dredge, Inquest, Krait, Nightmare Court, pirates, and Mordremoth left her.

The only thing Scarlet made herself was the Steam creatures, which Taimi criticizes as being obvious amateur work. Everything else she had were just improvements on other people’s works, like Taimi doing such on Scarlet’s and Rata Novan’s works.

They also have some pretty potent preservation magic at their disposal, though we never see them become aggressive because of their pacifist lifestyle so we can’t gauge their combat potency.

Except for in Draconis Mons, where they completely and utterly wiped out Rata Arcanum despite their army of golems, and are actively fighting the Vigil…

Druids were never pacifists, who would refuse fighting no matter what; they were merely passive in their aggressiveness, only assaulting those who assault them or nature.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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I’d also argue Scarlet is leaps and bounds ahead of Taimi. Taimi is only as good as she is because she has built upon what Scarlet and Omadd left her. Standing on the shoulders of giants as it were. Without them Taimi wouldn’t be all that impressive, even her golem pales in comparison to the golems of say, Snaff. Scarlet, on the other hand, made massive innovations that lead to her nearly conquering all of Tyria.

By that argument, Scarlet is only as good as she is because of what Omadd, Elli, the Flame Legion, Dredge, Inquest, Krait, Nightmare Court, pirates, and Mordremoth left her.

The only thing Scarlet made herself was the Steam creatures, which Taimi criticizes as being obvious amateur work. Everything else she had were just improvements on other people’s works, like Taimi doing such on Scarlet’s and Rata Novan’s works.

To be fair, Scarlet was at least fusing together multiple sources of knowledge, including many that other engineers never considered before her, in order to develop her technology. Taimi is purely working off the legacy of Scarlet and Omadd. (And that’s assuming Taimi is actually an engineer in the first place. We’re assuming she is, since all the story is pointing in that direction, but asura don’t need to be engineers to invent. If and when she starts fighting, she might turn out to be something else.)

Scarlet was certainly a Villain Sue, but she probably was the most powerful engineer we’ve seen so far.

To those who think Scarlet hate means she’s succeeded as a villain:
People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.

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Posted by: Ehecatl.9172

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xcept for in Draconis Mons, where they completely and utterly wiped out Rata Arcanum despite their army of golems, and are actively fighting the Vigil…

Druids were never pacifists, who would refuse fighting no matter what; they were merely passive in their aggressiveness, only assaulting those who assault them or nature.

Dang, I need to go back and explore that zone more. I missed the part about them taking down Rata Arcanum.

As for your point about Scarlet and Taimi, while it’s true Scarlet learned her skills from a variety of sources, she still accomplished a great deal on her own, taking their teachings and going in entirely different directions with it. Taimi is just continuing the research left for her by others.

If Scarlet had received her education from other sources she’d likely still have become a brilliant and revolutionary engineer, though perhaps she wouldn’t have gone insane and become driven to take her work to the extremes she did (though there’s evidence she was already off long before meeting Omadd).

if Taimi never found Scarlet’s notes, Omadd’s machine, and the vast data archives of Rata Novus to exclusively study, it’s unlikely she’d have accomplished much more than build Scruffy by now. All of Taimi’s work is building upon what Scarlet and Omadd did. What she is doing is incredible, but I’m not convinced Omadd or Scarlet couldn’t do the same if they hadn’t died, nor do I think Taimi could reach the level of Omadd or Scarlet with the backgrounds they had.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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Well, in the interests of being fair (again)…

Taimi is still a kid. She’s done everything she has as a minor without completing a formal education (probably not even to the extent that Scarlet did). If she can do what she’s done now, even “standing on the shoulders of giants” as it were, she’s probably going to be truly formidable in ten years.

On the other hand, though… she isn’t there now.

To those who think Scarlet hate means she’s succeeded as a villain:
People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.

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Posted by: Ehecatl.9172

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That is fair. She probably will be an incredible mind in a few years, especially at the rate she’s going. It’s just like you said, I don’t think she’s at that level right now. I can’t really call her the most powerful engineer yet.

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Posted by: Doni.3402

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If the gods and dragons count, too:

Necromancer: Grenth
Warrior: Balthazar
Elementalists:
- Fire: Balthazar
- Water/Ice: Grenth
- Air: Dwayna
- Earth: Melandru
Mesmer: Lyssa

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Posted by: Kalavier.1097

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I used to believe that Livia was the strongest necromancer.. but I thought her kind of underwhelming.. she hardly even appears to be a necromancer at all.. more like a warrior/mesmer………..

She uses necromancer and mesmer skills in the episode.

In Sea of Sorrow’s, I recall hearing about her literally melting risen who tried getting on the ship she was on.

However, I’d give the most powerful necro to be currently “alive”/active, to Palawa Joko.

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Posted by: supa suop.8026

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As far as Revenant goes I would have to say the most powerful one is Skorvald The Shattered.

I would also Consider Arkk the most powerful Engineer based on the abilities of the machine that he built( the DDR) where it allowed him to create his own fractals and manipulated them to some degree.

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Posted by: Cirian.8917

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Cirian, Livia doesn’t join the heroes of GW1 until Eye of the North. So she’s not present for Khilbron/Shiro (killed 1072 AE), or Varesh/Abaddon (killed 1075 AE). She only helped with killing the Great Destroyer and the War in Kryta, in terms of canon lore. We could bring her for the rest but that isn’t really canon lore.

I think it should be current NPCs too. Dead ones don’t count.

Necromancer: Livia. She’s a ~280 year old ascended god-killer. During the GW1 Nightfall campain she joins the player to slay Vizier Khilbron (aka The Lich), Shiro Tagachi AND Abaddon in the Realm of Torment. She witnesses Kormir ascend to godhood. As a Guild Wars 1 character she is omniclass (necromancer primary + access to every other class). Wearing heavy armour is of course new, and that sword & focus fighting style makes one think of guardians and mesmers.

rBy timeline of lore the only one of these things Livia dis in GW1 eas help fell the Great destryer. you Technicly as a Player charachter did not know her untill the time of Eye of the north. so one could argue that livia was just a henchmen in any events you used her in for any of the events before the EOTN occured.

so i would argue that the strongest Necromancer of Guild wars lore was probably Desmina the first priestess of grenth

as far as warriors one could stongly largue for Saint Viktor zu Heltzer of th Kirzicks or Archemorus of the Luxons.

Ah! Of course you’re both right. Regardless of Livia missing out on Nightfall then, since she actually joins in during EotN, she still manages the ~280 year lifespan in part thanks to the Sceptre of Orr.

Then there’s the matter of Livia possessing the general competence at actually staying alive over that ~280 years or so, which is not trivial for the dangerous life of a Shining Blade Exemplar.

I’d prefer to go with current characters over past ones, who I’d say are out of the game. Palawa Joko is going to be tempting to pick for a necromancer but I’m not sure if an immortal lich should be conflated with necromancers as a class.

I think Bria is quite powerful too (the foefire ghost kitten-incarnates herself all the time), but, out of the current crop of living necromancers I’d have to stick with Livia, regardless of me getting her story entry point wrong. The rest of her story still warrants it.

Still no strong feeling about rangers, warriors or revenants, although there might be some candidates in Path of Fire?