Guild Wars 2

I swear this sea had a name, but I don’t find it anywhere, not even the wiki.

Does anyone know anything about it?

I don’t remember where I might have heard about it, but it’s probably been some kodan on Frostgorge Sound.

Maybe I’m just mistaking it with some subzone in the game, but let’s see if I’m alone or not.

Sea of Desperation? I’ve got it in my notes, can’t remember who says it either (one of the NPC’s in a major city said it, possibly DR)

It’s an asura on the Rata Sum docks. I don’t remember the name they give it, but they say they want to sail it, and you can reply “isn’t that in the Far Shiverpeaks?”

EDIT: Good memory, Mystic.
Eernst: If I could sail anywhere on the globe, my preferred passage would be the Sea of Desperation.
You: Isn’t that in the Shiverpeaks?
Eernst: It certainly is. A sea locked on all sides by ice. I could assemble an expedition and sledge the boats across. I doubt anyone’s ever done that. We’d be the first!

Yes! I knew it wasn’t my imagination. I was starting to think I was confusing it with the Sea of Lamentation, a subzone on Frostgorge Sound, but now I see the link, the two names being similar to each other.

Still, we don’t know if this is the sea Jormag created, or the sea north of Far Shiverpeaks.

PS: Would love to know more about those notes, Mystic Starfish :P.

If it is closed on all sides by ice, it’s probably the Jormag sea.

Well, we don’t know what’s north of there, but yes, the obvious answer is it’s the sea Jormag created.

By the way, wiki pages!

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sea_of_Desperation
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Eernst

I’d love to have notes XD
I just visited each of the major cities and talked to the NPC’s, trying to find interesting info. That happened to be one of them. I had a couple more about the location of Primordus/destroyers, but that might be obsolete given the chatter is over a year old.

Mystic Starfish.2586:

I’d love to have notes XD
I just visited each of the major cities and talked to the NPC’s, trying to find interesting info. That happened to be one of them. I had a couple more about the location of Primordus/destroyers, but that might be obsolete given the chatter is over a year old.

Post them :O xD.

Unless it deals with what’s been touched by the Living Story, it isn’t outdated.

That’s how the “Living World” works – only progresses when Scarlet touches it. Everything else is in a temporal block, stuck in time, endlessly repeating, like the Foefire ghosts reliving the last day of their life (except for Calhaan, who relives a day 8 years before his supposed death).

That NPC only tells us that the sea is in the Shiverpeaks, not necessarily in the Far Shiverpeaks. By looking at the map, the sea that jormag created doesn’t seem to be locked on all sides by ice at all. It stretches into both Frostgorge sound (not blocked by ice in that zone, but earth and mountains) and also into the Woodland Cascades which consists of forests. The Sea of Desperation is probably further north since no other known body of water in the Shiverpeaks seems to fit the description either.

No, I believe this new “sea” created by Jormag has retained its old name of Drakkar Lake. It’s just alot bigger now. In the northwest corner of Frostgorge sound is an area called “Drakkar Spurs”, which further indicates that this is the case.

I doubt that it was literal when saying “blocked by ice” – after all, the water has to come from somewhere and it’s easier to say “blocked by ice” than to say “blocked by ice, frozen soil, and mountains.” And if it’s in the Shiverpeaks, where most water is frozen, to say it’s blocked on all sides by ice isn’t really wrong… it’d just be permafrost – ice-coated soil.

The comment of the Woodland Cascades does make sense, though. Nonetheless, it probably is referring to that. There’s quite a lot of oversights.

As to Drakkar Lake – that also holds strong possibility, as there’s a kodan I believe who says Jormag rose from Drakkar Lake – and we know that it was Drakkar, not Jormag, in that small lake. So if the whole water is called Drakkar Lake now, then it’d be accurate… rather than an oversight. Alternatively, Drakkar Spurs can be named after Drakkar or Drakkar Lake.

Only person I remember making the Drakkar Lake-Jormag’s resting place connection is the Pact officer in the fort north of Barrowstead- and he says that Jormag rose from beneath Drakkar Lake, which to the best of my knowledge may still be true, and would certainly account for the otherwise strange rent in the mountains.

Except other stories state that Jormag awoke north of the Norn and made his way down. If he awoke underneath Drakkar Lake he would have woke up right in the middle of their society.

Hmmm, I’ve got it in my notes as the Far Shiverpeaks, but since it sounds like Aaron just went to check on it for this, I guess I made that up x.x
Also, I was imagining the water above Frostgorge to be said sea, but now that I think about it, that’s just Drakkar Lake now?

Unrelated, but is it possible that any places we don’t have a zone of could just be a hypothetical representation of the area? IE, all that water above Frostgorge is just an assumption, it’s really smaller (or bigger)?

That is possible. See Southsun Cove. I believe the “in universe” explanation is that it is ‘ourmmap’ and thus the ‘unfogged area’ is just a guesstimation bases on others’ proclamations on what is there.

This explanation would explain Southsun’s sudden emergence (given in lore it was there but unknown), Labyrinthine Cliffs’ minor alteration, why the Dragonbrand doesn’t go as far north as it should, and even why the fogged rivers and such don’t match the boundaries of unfogged.

Narcemus.1348:

Except other stories state that Jormag awoke north of the Norn and made his way down. If he awoke underneath Drakkar Lake he would have woke up right in the middle of their society.

Ree Soesbee did say that Jormag “arrived far north of the Norn” this interview: http://www.guildwarsinsider.com/guild-wars-insider-interview-ree-soesbee/5/

However, looking at the map of Tyria again, the body of water in the Far Shiverpeaks does seem to go further north in the mountains than what we can see. If the whole body of water is called Drakkar Lake now and does go further north than we can see, that means he could very well have awoken in Drakkar lake as some NPCs have been saying. But if this were to be true, the lake must have expanded before Jormag awoke.

Has it been stated that it was Jormag himself who created the new sea up there? What if it was Drakkar? We know he had some influence on the world even before Jormag awoke (Svanir), and as we’ve learned from Glint, champions don’t have to be awake as the same time as their elder dragon. If Drakkar created the sea, it would make sense naming it after him.

Well, actually if you go off of some maps which were made overlaying original GW1 locations (whose accuracy is probably not perfect, but is good for a general idea) the top of the map right now is roughly the norn zones that we saw in GW1. I think the top of the map is around where Sifhalla was. This isn’t perfect, as I said, just a generalized idea. But still, I was talking to those saying that he may have arose under Drakkar (which at that time would have been the tiny lake, not the inland sea).

@Larkir: Yeah, we’ve been told that Jormag shattered the Shiverpeaks when he woke, making that inland sea.

The land to the far north cracked and shattered with Jormag’s waking, allowing the icy northern ocean to flood through and create new, inland seas on which the kodan were cast adrift.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Wisdom_and_Power_of_the_Kodan

@Larkir and Narcemus: And btw, that sea actually HAS to reach the arctic seas, since the kodan Sanctuaries fled through there from the arctic seas.

@Narcemus: I don’t think there’s a single map of Tyria which shows the northern edge of the sea. The current map does have it narrowed down greatly, but it doesn’t exactly end and could easily open wider again (creating a strait). Best source for as far north as we can go is the alpha map which goes a little higher north – but the map’s changed a bit since then.

Comparing the maps, when the sea reaches its northern inlet to the “river” is quite a bit north of Sifhalla even (north by northeast exactly).

I wouldn’t say quite a bit north. I don’t honestly believe it could be any more distance than from Sifhalla to Frostmaw. And though there weren’t any settlements too far up there, it was still known norn hunting grounds. I mean there was a norn settlement just a quick shot from Sifhalla to the east. I agree that there could be more water up north, but that doesn’t make them the same body of water any more than the connection between the greater and lesser giant’s basins made them one lake. Or the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea.

Using Janthir as a refrence, it doesn’t even seem to go that far. It stops maybe just north of Egil’s Perch, which was certainly a norn settlement.

In all seriousness, though, that body of water is (believed to be) as big as the Sea of Sorrows. If even the Mire Sea gets to count as a sea, there’s no way all of that water could be called a lake.

Not really, there was a large portion to the north that we never went into. If you cut off the GW1 map at about the same point as the GW2 map is, you’ll notice that it mostly cuts off zones that are unexplored by the PC’s.

… Im not sure what you’re getting at, but yes, it seems to me that the only explored regions in GW1 that is entirely off the GW2 map is the northernmost sixth of Jaga Moiraine