Guild Wars 2

If the peace treaty with the charr goes through will Ebonhawke rebuild Ascalon? Maybe with Ebonhawke as the capitol city?Any thoughts guys?

It is possible, I think. The citizens of Ebonhawke see themselves as Ascalonians and do not see Jennah as their queen. I think that expanding Ebonhawke would be the next logical step, after signing the treaty.
It would make me a happy player if ANet went that route.

As part of the peace talks, the charr have already relinquished a good deal of land outside of Ebonhawke – at the moment, they’re already expanding into Blazeridge Steppes. And it’s possible that more land may be given to the humans. I suspect that they’ll end up controlling the lands between the Dragonbrand and the Blazeridge Mountains, with exception of some charr settlements sprinkled within (such as Deathblade’s Watch in Mithric Cliffs – which seems to be the biggest Iron Legion settlement beyond Black Citadel and Smokestead).

I think the only possible way peace can work is if the humans and the Charr share Ascalon, since I don’t see either race giving it up completely. Conceding even small amounts of land they fought so long over to the opposing side will be hard enough.

I can’t see them living together any time soon, though, so for the foreseeable future my guess would be two parallel territories, with the Charr one likely being the larger since most humans have moved on and established lives in Kryta for several generations now.

I would love to see Ascalon rebuilt. I think this is a real direction that WOULD make the living story feel like it : a story that is epic, on a large scale and where things matter and are permanent.

The rebuiling of Ascalon would be a truly epic chapter in LS, and as a GW1 player i would love nothing more than to once again call myself Ascalonian ( I hate that they took the option out of the personal profile when you make a human).

They have not, it is just rather limited as to who gets the option to pick their character’s lineage.

If you go the “dead sister” way on personal story, Logan asks you for your family’s history. There, you get the option between Krytan, Canthan, Elonan and Ascalonian (no option for those rare Orrian families out there).

What they do -not- offer however, and I think they should, is for the character to have been born in either Lion’s Arch or Ebonhawke and growing up there before moving to DR for whatever reason.

Well, a human growing up in Ebonhawke would likely consider them selves a true ascalonian.

pretty much yeah. while the option is not technically available, that’s how my gf and i play our ascalonian chars. after all they have seen, they believe in a united human kingdom however, even though they want ascalon restored as much as possible

@ Harper I agree that would be great if they could add that into the LS. It would be a great vehicle to explore some new map areas like the Crystal Desert or the rest of the Blazeridge mountains.
@Smekras I was just going to ask about that thanks. (P.S. It’s nice to see a fellow kainenger on the lore forums).
On a side note: What happened to the Orrians that survived/ escaped the Collapse of Orr? There is no Orrian district in DR (or Canthan district either) and there are very few Orrian Npcs (human/alive) in game. And will they build a new Orr colony?

Thanks for answering my questions guys! ;P

The canthan district existed but was removed due to asian player outrage (apparently an asian city inside massive european walls calls out as showing european superiority or something similar). It became the Great Collapse, although nothing in game point to it being the Canthan District, instead the NPC’s call it the arts district. As to the orrians, we’ve been told in the past that those orrians that survived the cataclysm denied their heritage due to mainland kryta being attacked by undead orrians in GW1, and again by risen in GW2 (which were also hinted to have been the remains of GW1’s undead army). So Orrians exist, and in an interview Ree played with the idea of an Orrian noble with claim to the throne popping up and leading a group to colonize Orr now that Zhaitan’s dead. This states that it is a possibility, but not necessarily what WILL happen.

It would be awesome

I think a living story could be made out of Ascalon and the Legions forging peace by fighting a common enemy, the Flame Legion. They would reclaim Drascir and the areas around it, connecting the northern region to Ebonhawke with an asura-gate, establishing a ‘modern tyrian kingdom’ where the 2 halves don’t need to be connected by land.

Or drascir would still have some ghosts living amongst the… living >_>

It’s just not the direction they want to go with the game guys. Every race has their own little pie piece of Tyria, and for humans that means Kryta. Ebonhawke is a nod to the old playerbase, not much more. ANet would be reneging on their storyline philosophy if they started letting humans retake Ascalon. :/

Gandarel, I played the Ruins of Surmia mission the other day and thought of you lol. /sadface

@ Obsidain I hear where your coming from but I’m talking about the future progression in the game. Eventually we are going to see the other Charr homelands (as we are currently in the Iron legion’s). The Asura’s underground homeland as well. The other pale trees for Sylvari (maybe in the Maguuma jungle?). The Far Shiverpeaks for the Norn. So the humans are going to need more land and that’s the point I’m trying to make. The place I think they would start would be Ascalon. And I’m saying that this new Ascalon would not be as big or have the same borders as the Ascalon 250 years ago. But would be build around Ebonhawke and border the current Charr lands. I’m not expecting that the Charr would give up their lands. But Ascalon is an important area to humans as well and they won’t just give it up either. The best solution in my mind is to have the two races to have their own lands for their race (Iron legion lands and a human Ascalonian kingdom) in the current Asclaon area that border each other. After all in Kryta there is Lion’s Arch which is not a human kingdom (if I’m mistaken about LA please correct me).
@ Narcemus Thanks for the answer about the Orrians ( and Canthan district)

Sirgreydono.9502:

@ Obsidain I hear where your coming from but I’m talking about the future progression in the game. Eventually we are going to see the other Charr homelands (as we are currently in the Iron legion’s). The Asura’s underground homeland as well. The other pale trees for Sylvari (maybe in the Maguuma jungle?). The Far Shiverpeaks for the Norn. So the humans are going to need more land and that’s the point I’m trying to make.

Pretty much this.
I hope that we will get Cantha and Elona someday, so I really don’t see how expanding Ebonhawke in order to build a “New Ascalon” would be a problem. As you said, it is alright to have an expansion or modification of the map that is about only one race, as long as the other races also end up having their own lore eventually. Not everything has to be about every race all the time.

Also, there is a huge difference between “taking back Ascalon” and “building a new kingdom for Ascalonians starting from Ebonhawke”. The first option would not be possible because of the charr. Sure, there could be some kind of vote again to decide who would keep Ascalon, but seeing how humans are popular and how such a big part of the player base simply hate charr, the charr would probably end up homeless (and that wouldn’t be fair IMO). However, the peace treaty grants the humans with Fields of Ruin, and that’s a pretty big map that can be eventually made into a city.

Also, the charr are working on getting rid of the Foefire, and I would like to see this kind of story being developed someday, too. I think it is something that could be done with the Living Story, since it is supposed to happen after the Personal Story.

Being really biased here, but there is nothing I want to see in this game more than a “New Ascalon” being built. The ruins and the ghosts just break my heart.

Gabby.3205:

The ruins and the ghosts just break my heart.

@Gabby Me too Gabby. Me too. T_T

Gabby.3205:

it is alright to have an expansion or modification of the map that is about only one race, as long as the other races also end up having their own lore eventually. Not everything has to be about every race all the time.

Ehh. There was a time when I would have agreed. But then I saw how we as players and fans got about WoW. One expansion favoring one race is cool until they feel slighted the next expansion.

Basically, it creates the same problem the shift GW1>GW2 created. [Favorite race] has momentum and in the next expansion (or game) when someone else gets a piece of the pie or starts getting the focus or the goodies, all of the sudden it’s “lore breaking and immersion breaking” and “unfair, a-net is playing favorites trying too hard to include all races”, etc.

Then it starts becoming bias lists about who got what. Tit for tat.

edit: This thread is an example of one problem that arises. People get emotional attachments to momentum and the zeitgeist of an expansion, though this one is pleasant and civil.

Gabby.3205:

Sure, there could be some kind of vote again to decide who would keep Ascalon, but seeing how humans are popular and how such a big part of the player base simply hate charr, the charr would probably end up homeless (and that wouldn’t be fair IMO).

I also think this would stretch credibility too much story-wise. I mean, sure, we could vote – but the Charr are still going to be the Charr, and I can’t see them just going “Oh, okay” and meekly turning over Ascalon if the vote went against them.

The logical result would be the Charr getting angry and digging in, not going along with whatever the rest of Tyria decided. It would likely lead to renewed war, which would defeat the whole point of the treaty.

Having the players vote for an outcome that can’t really happen wouldn’t do much more than irritate the player base.

Charr and humans are both too invested in Ascalon at this point for either to just walk away, without the story turning completely nonsensical, in my opinion. So as I said above, I think the treaty is going to result in a shared land with the Charr still retaining the larger piece because of their greater numbers – essentially the situation with Ebonhawke/Fields of Ruin already but without the ongoing battle to hold onto it.