Guild Wars 2

Yep, I now like the story .-. sue me.

Now down to the bits and pieces:

Mordremoth is a big green plant dragon. Someone said indestructible, I haven’t played the whole story yet (got Glint’s egg in the Tarir place, then I stopped to level my masteries up past 10). Mordremoth pseudo-awakened around the time Sylvari began to show up, they are supposedly the dragon’s minions of choice. They cannot be corrupted by Zhaitan, because can’t conquer another’s minions? Anywho, the Sylvari have been problematic ranging from Faolain to Scarlet. I can’t learn much about the nightmare court from without, so I made a sylvari (hoping to do some of the story once I level bump her to 80. gonna be a bit). However, Scarlet introduced TOXIC minions whom reside in Kessex Hills- a currently high money place to be, if so desired.

The questions: Did Morde awaken when the Sylvari did? Why can’t dragon minions get taken over? If Zhaitan is truly dead (confirm?), can’t Morde now take Risen and turn them into Risen Mordrem? Can Dragon Champions (a la Scarlet) gather minions of their own, or are they bestowed? If they can self gather, can they theoretically take the power place of an elder dragon? Since Elder Dragon’s are not born and are thus MADE, does killing them serve any purpose other than buying time?

Conspiracy needing details: Mordrem and Toxic share a characteristic- Sylvari powered, multi creature army. Mordrem have Husks (what are those), Terragriffs (what are those), and those spinny eye ball things (what are those??). Toxic have hyper powered Sylvari and Krait. SOOOOOO- does Mordremoth (dead or alive, idk. fractured at the minimum) control Krait as well?

Also, who is Scarlet? The in game lore is VERY lackluster, and I had taken a hiatus for most of the Scarlet story. Sadly. So I may be waaay off, but friend told me that Scarlet made Toxic.
I hope that all made sense, but I’ve been running Kessex Hills and got mad curious.

As a new player to the game I can imagine the lore to be quite confusing. There are some things you need to keep in mind. There is the Personal Story (Zhaitan is explained in there), Season 1 and 2 (explaining Scarlets story) and now the HoT storyline (Mordy). But the lore in those is not something explained completely, a lot is open for discussion and speculation, some things are explained but other things are just hinted at (sometimes even hints given by NPC’s). A lot comes from the lore in Guild Wars 1 or found in the books written for the game (love Edge of Destiny myself).

One of the things I really like about the game is the Living World. From the start the ingame world has been changing all the time. Updates, new storylines, special events have happened during Season 1 and 2. The events of Season 1 happened in the world itself, events like the Destruction of Lions Arch or the Twisted Marionette happened in when we played those weeks, changing the world permanently. You can’t replay these events, but there is a lot of info about it on the internet. Season 2 is mostly instanced, just like the Personal Story, and you can replay these when you purchase Season 2.

In the link below you can already find a nice sum up of what happened during the Living Story.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Living_World

Also Krait are not related to Mordy. They are a race that lived in the Unending Ocean, until the Deep Sea Dragon made them leave their homeland. Just like the Karka, Quaggan and Largos they fled for this Elder Dragon.

I’m not “new” to the game so much as I lived in Heart of the Mists for a large portion (cough June 23rd is when I left cough). =) Thanks for being helpful though.

So far I got through the Zhaitan story on my only “Left the Mists” character. Are they vastly different through the whole way, or do the story lines merge and get the same plot roughly when you reach Orr? I know of course Race, Trauma, and Order decide at least until 50. Not sure past that. Not to be rude though, can I get a few answers to above? I like to take my answers in chunks instead of a steady stream, that way I don’t get hyper distracted with more questions.

Again thank you though ^.^ OH. What does DSD stand for? Dragon Second Domain? Been seeing it in a lot of dragon based topics.

The first Sylvari awoke in 1302AE. Mordremoth awoke in 1327AE.

Zhaitan is really dead, it was confirmed by one of the ArenaNet lore writers.

Dragon minions are just immune to eachother’s corruption. Its just an aspect of how they work. So no, risen mordrem can’t exist, however, dragon magic can coexist within the same entity, demonstrated by The Inquest within the Crucible of Eternity, having several monsters which are able to use magical abilities based off more than one dragon.

Dragon Champions can create minions of their own, and corrupt living things to become minions. Even though they can create minions, they do not belong to them. All minions ultimately serve their Elder Dragon. Its unknown if a Champion can ascend into the status of an Elder Dragon, however, it is implied it is. Champions are capable of absorbing magic, as evidenced by the fact Tequatl suddenly gained a boost in power in 1326AE, its also implied that one of the reasons for Glint attempting to kill Kralkatorrik was because she wanted to devour his magic to become an Elder Dragon.

Dragon Champions and minions are created. Elder Dragons themselves are time immemorial. We don’t actually know if they were born or created, however, its heavily implied that dragons were a widespread race that lived across the Tyrian planet thousands of years ago, which Elder Dragons likely belonged to (the only organic dragon we know of being Kunnavang), meaning they would have been born somehow. Glint also may have been an organic dragon that was later corrupted by Kralkatorrik, however, im not sure if this is confirmed.

The Toxic Alliance have no connection to Mordremoth. They were a splinter group made by Scarlet under the promise that she would help them to summon a Krait Prophet to grant them power. She used them to develop the miasma that would poison the atmosphere in Lion’s Arch during her attack on the city.

Scarlet has her own page on the wiki that is very detailed: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Scarlet_Briar

Your friend is right, Scarlet did create the Toxic Alliance. However, she also made many groups including the Molten Alliance and the Aetherblades, before persuading them to work for her. She used the 3 alliance’s research to prepare her attack on Lion’s Arch, after using Energy Probes to locate that the leyline she was looking for was under Lion’s Arch. She dropped The Breachmaker, a gigantic drill onto Lion’s Arch to hit this leyline. Although she was killed in The Battle of Lion’s Arch, The Breachmaker hit the leyline, redirecting the flow of magical energy towards Mordremoth, awakening him.

“DSD” refers to The Deep Sea Dragon: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deep_sea_dragon

The Deep Sea dragon is a sixth, enigmatic dragon who we don’t know a lot about. We only really know that his minions take the form of “tentacled horrors”, and that his name starts with the letter S, as seen in a scroll belonging to the Durmand Priory which contains the names of all the dragons, however, the scroll is damaged, meaning we only have the first letter of the DSD’s name.

DSD stands for Deep Sea Dragon. It’s the only Elder Dragon we don’t really know a lot about. I’m actually hoping that we will learn more about it soonish tho.

As for the Personal Story, it’s roughly the same on every character. Of course races and choices do matter, but in general it’s kinda the same. You could replay all of those for all classes and stuff, because there are hints you can only find in those specific situations, but I find it a bit to much to replay it all the time.

The thing with the lore of GW is just that it is really complex and everything is connected one way or another. Every time I think about one thing I’ll start thinking about other things, so I know the feeling there, I’ll try to answer your questions as far as possible tho.

Did Morde awaken when the Sylvari did?

No, he didn’t. Maybe he started stirring a bit when they awoke, but the actions of Scarlet (using the Breachmaker to hit the Ley Lines) was the reason why he really woke up. In Season 1 and 2 the story of Scarlet is told, so it’s really a good idea to take a look on the interet, there are some really briljant video’s and posts about it. In short it’s basically that Scarlet Briar was a briljant young Sylvari called Ceara, who always had these terrifying nightmares. At one point she finds Omadd’s Machine, and sees the Eternal Alchemy. After that she emerges as Scarlet and starts being the bad girl of the game. She creates the Aetherblades, Toxic (a combination of Krait and the Nightmare Court) and Molten Alliance, events happen like the Tower of Nightmares you witnessed the remains of in Kessex hills. She destroys Lion’s Arch, tries to reach the Ley Line underneath Lion’s Arch with the Breach Maker but we get to kill her. All of this is in Season 1, so you can’t replay it anymore. In Season 2 we learn a lot about the reasons behind Scarlet and we find out she was corrupted by Mordremoth, see what she saw in Omadd’s Machine and a lot more.

Why can’t dragon minions get taken over?

At this point in the game we are starting to learn things about the Elder Dragons, but there is still so much we don’t know. All of the Elder Dragons have their own Spheres, we found that out during the events of Season 1, in the Eternal Alchemy. So this means that every Dragon is different from the others in it’s essence, it’s magic if you want to call it like that. This is also why all the dragon minions are bound to one dragon, because the magic that is affecting them is different then the other dragon minions types.

If Zhaitan is truly dead (confirm?), can’t Morde now take Risen and turn them into Risen Mordrem?

If you play trough the Personal Story you will defeat Zhaitan yourself in the final instance (did it like two months ago o.o). If this means being defeated for ever or returning after thousands of years is something we simply don’t know yet. But because of the answer above, dragon minions being totally different from each other. So the Jungle Dragon Mordremoth will have it’s own minions and is unable to take over the undead minions of the Undead Dragon Zhaitan.

Can Dragon Champions (a la Scarlet) gather minions of their own, or are they bestowed? If they can self gather, can they theoretically take the power place of an elder dragon?

So far I haven’t seen a Dragon Champion gather their own minions, most (if all) of the corruption seems to come from the Elder Dragons themselves. We still don’t know enough about the Dragon’s to know everything tho and one of the things that are just really intriguing is Glint. She was one of Kralkatorrik’s champions, who was freed from it’s corruption by the Forgotten. With all the things revealed in HoT about Glint’s egg I do find it a posibility that the egg will be raised to become another Elder Dragon, but that’s just speculation of course.

Since Elder Dragon’s are not born and are thus MADE, does killing them serve any purpose other than buying time?

Nothing is known about wether or not Elder Dragon’s are born or made. As far as we know they have just always been there, awaking, feeding on magic, going to sleep in an on going cycle, keeping balance in the magic level of the world. At this point “We” feel we need to kill them to prevent the world from disaster, but no one knows what is going to happen after we defeated them. Maybe the total amount of magic in the world will be to much, so we will actually cause a bigger problem by killing the Dragon’s than we would have by not killing them.

Hope this answers your questions a bit

Massively helpful. Bit dividing on your answers (will check out Scarlet, she seemed to be a more fun character. reminding me a bit of Jinx of LoL. I hope we have more UNIQUE character interactions like that, so far the HoT story makes everyone but Canach and Taimi kinda…bland?), but it seems we aren’t sure. I read someone say they were not born, guess not. Woops. Interested question: How sure are we that Morde is dead? I hear its very much debatable. Also, is there an ETA of how long a body is dead to the time Morde can use it? So if its dead for a few moments, he uses it. But say…Corpse containers that are centuries old? Seems cool if he managed to do that before we fought him, would mean some pretty cool bosses. =) Thanks guys.

Serious Thought.5394:

They cannot be corrupted by Zhaitan, because can’t conquer another’s minions?

This is pure player speculation that is one of the ‘universally accepted but unproven ’facts’ of the community’ which trying to explain how it’s not the case will lead to one massive headache as if you were ramming your head into a brick wall.

Serious Thought.5394:

The questions: Did Morde awaken when the Sylvari did? Why can’t dragon minions get taken over? If Zhaitan is truly dead (confirm?), can’t Morde now take Risen and turn them into Risen Mordrem? Can Dragon Champions (a la Scarlet) gather minions of their own, or are they bestowed? If they can self gather, can they theoretically take the power place of an elder dragon? Since Elder Dragon’s are not born and are thus MADE, does killing them serve any purpose other than buying time?

• No. Sylvari began to be born in 1302 AE. Mordremoth awoke in 1327 AE. Mordremoth did, however, wake up due to a sylvari – specifically Scarlet Briar.
• Technically, they can. Sylvari are not immune due to being dragon minions – like most people think despite no evidence – but instead because they’re protected by the Dream and Nightmare. They are not the only beings linked to the Dream, the White Stag is for example, and the nature of the Dream remains a mystery. It is also known that Mordremoth is connected to the Dream as well, and this is how he turned the sylvari to serve him (communicating with them via the Dream). We see in the Crucible of Eternity dungeon some creatures – Kudu’s Monster and Subject Alpha (story and explorable mode respectively) – that were corrupted by multiple dragon energies.
• Anet has said he is dead. In theory Mordremoth could but Mordremoth is never shown corrupting animals – each Elder Dragon corrupts a specific kind of thing primarily (but not solely! This seems to be a self-imposed preference of sorts – they are capable of corrupting, well, anything besides divine magic!), and for Mordremoth that ‘specific kind of thing’ is plants, just as for Zhaitan it was corpses. There are known cases where Mordremoth uses corrupted plants to control corpses however.
• Creating minions and spreading corruption is a defining attribute of a dragon champion. Also, Scarlet wasn’t a dragon champion necessarily – she never spread corruption or created minions.
• In theory. That’s the thought behind Tequatl’s power boost after Zhaitan’s death. It should also be noted that nothing says dragon champions can create corruption – only spread it. Though it’s likely that they can, unless Glint was a bit of an oddball.
• Nothing says Elder Dragons cannot be born as such. Because, quite simply, we don’t know what Elder Dragons are. As for what killing them does… that’s a whole different issue that isn’t yet clear to us.

Serious Thought.5394:

Conspiracy needing details: Mordrem and Toxic share a characteristic- Sylvari powered, multi creature army. Mordrem have Husks (what are those), Terragriffs (what are those), and those spinny eye ball things (what are those??). Toxic have hyper powered Sylvari and Krait. SOOOOOO- does Mordremoth (dead or alive, idk. fractured at the minimum) control Krait as well?

The “Toxic” are little more than poisoned creatures. Though it’s been theorized that the pollens and such which poison the creatures’ minds are tied to Mordremoth, the lack of such in HoT implies otherwise. The toxic creatures aren’t ‘hyper powered’ either.

As to what each mordrem are (the ‘spinny eyeball things’ are called Thrashers) – they’re all grown corrupted plants.

As said, lack of Toxic creatures imply no, no control by Mordremoth. Rather disappointing, personally. They really failed to deliver to the potential the Mordremoth arc had.

Serious Thought.5394:

Also, who is Scarlet? The in game lore is VERY lackluster, and I had taken a hiatus for most of the Scarlet story. Sadly. So I may be waaay off, but friend told me that Scarlet made Toxic.

She’s a sylvari who played god and tried to understand all things and in return touched Mordremoth’s mind who began whispering orders into her, making her think they were her own thoughts, her own ideas (what he does to all sylvari – those falling to his orders became Mordrem Guard after Mordremoth woke).

As to Scarlet making the Toxic Alliance… yes and no. She organized the get-together, but the magic used for such was made by themselves, and turning themselves.

Serious Thought.5394:

So far I got through the Zhaitan story on my only “Left the Mists” character. Are they vastly different through the whole way, or do the story lines merge and get the same plot roughly when you reach Orr? I know of course Race, Trauma, and Order decide at least until 50. Not sure past that. Not to be rude though, can I get a few answers to above? I like to take my answers in chunks instead of a steady stream, that way I don’t get hyper distracted with more questions.

Chapters 1-3 (levels 10, 20, and 30) are determined by your race and biography. Chapters 4 and 6 determined by your order (chosen at end of chapter 3). Chapter 5 is based on a selection determined by your race, is chosen at end of chapter 4, and is influenced by your order. Chapter 7 is determined by a choice in the middle of chapter 6. And chapter 8 is the same for all but there are story splits that require three playthroughs to get every possible storyline experienced.

Serious Thought.5394:

Again thank you though ^.^ OH. What does DSD stand for? Dragon Second Domain? Been seeing it in a lot of dragon based topics.

Deep sea dragon, the second dragon to wake up who awoke very far from continental Tyria. It’s the reason why the krait, southern quaggan, largos, and karka are so heavily ashore in Tyria. It’s name – as well as the name of its minions or really anything beyond its general location – is unknown.

Argon.1563:

Dragon minions are just immune to eachother’s corruption. Its just an aspect of how they work. So no, risen mordrem can’t exist, however, dragon magic can coexist within the same entity, demonstrated by The Inquest within the Crucible of Eternity, having several monsters which are able to use magical abilities based off more than one dragon.

You just contradicted yourself in saying that they can’t exist then saying they can…

There is NOTHING that says dragon minions are immune to each others’ corruption. Sylvari immunity is explicitly stated by the Pale Tree to be from the Dream.

Argon.1563:

its also implied that one of the reasons for Glint attempting to kill Kralkatorrik was because she wanted to devour his magic to become an Elder Dragon.

False. It was said it is believed she could have rose to become an Elder Dragon, but that wasn’t why she betrayed Kralkatorrik.

The Forgotten performed a ritual which gave Glint – then known as Glaust (even that wasn’t her original name) – her free will again, and after some time she realized that Kralkatorrik wanted to destroy all things and that the races she was defending her then-master from were worth keeping around (revelation caused by reading minds – both Kralkatorrik’s and of the races). This is why she betrayed Kralkatorrik – a change of heart.

Argon.1563:

the only organic dragon we know of being Kunnavang

Shiny, Albax, Kunie, the hundreds of Salspray Dragons all disagree with you. As do the dozens of Dragon Mosses, Turtle Dragons, etc. that all live in Cantha.

Argon.1563:

Glint also may have been an organic dragon that was later corrupted by Kralkatorrik, however, im not sure if this is confirmed.

More or less is. It’s said that free will was returned to her – in order for such to happen, it had to have been taken away, which is what dragon corruption does to the victims: removes free will.

Oh dear, I started a fight. offers cookies Please, please no?

How do Elder Dragon’s just ~Create~ new species of animal? Vinetooth, Abomination?

Also, who are the giants (risen giant)? Odds of next xpac being Bubbles (DSD)? I may need to know what I can on that one too. You guys rock btw. My last thread had people telling me to quit thief.

Edit: Off note, was debating playing GW1 (will probably get it for Xmas, knowing my procrastination qualities). Who are the two characters on front of platinum edition of official website?

There’s one major thing that heavily points at Mordremoth’s growing influence as far as the Tower of Nightmares and the Toxic Alliance are concerned in Season 1: it was during this release that we heard the menacing three-note motif that became known as Mordremoth’s Theme for the very first time. The link provides an analysis of some of the moments this music theme has been used in S1 and S2 (I will add the theme’s uses in Heart of Thorns later once the full HoT soundtrack is released via Anet’s official channels), and the references section even has the source where the composer’s comments about the theme have been taken from. I’d say it’s no coincidence that it was during the Tower of Nightmares release when we first heard Scarlet’s tone change from cheerful into menacing at the end of a cutscene which was even shown to us visually, and this change in tone was implied to be Mordremoth getting a stronger grip of her cracking mind as well as influencing the change among the members of the Toxic Alliance.

As explained by the composer Maclaine Diemer, the three-note Mordremoth motif was retrofitted into representing Mordremoth musically but the fact that said theme was chosen to represent the Jungle Dragon to begin with speaks volumes of the importance of the Mordremoth connection to the Toxic corruption and the hallucinations produced by the Tower of Nightmares. I’ve even speculated that the Toxic Hybrid boss that we faced during Tower of Nightmares release may have been an experimental Mordremized Krait. However, there are only hints at such and no outright developer confirmation similar to how the Tower of Nightmares itself (which appeared to be sentient) may have been a corrupted sister of the Pale Tree.

We know by now that the composers Maclaine Diemer and Lena Chappelle are very meticulous about providing thematic continuity in their tracks where they use themes they have established earlier to weave a musical narrative. For instance, how the sylvari’s connection to the Jungle Dragon were teased in the “Newly Awakened” track (which played during Season 2’s flashback episode about Caithe’s past in the Grove when the Secondborn had awakened) and how the latter half of said track actually shared the underlying rolling motif of The Mordrem track that had been established earlier albeit in a “cuter” form than in the latter, more menacing track. Thus I’d argue that, based on the composers’ insistence to pay attention to little musical details like foreshadowing the sylvari/Mordrem connection, the Tower of Nightmares using what became the Mordremoth theme does hold quite a bit of significance storywise even though the connection and what implications it has have been left vague in the story itself.

It was a shame we didn’t get more lore on the Blighting Trees encountered in the Magus Falls maps in Heart of Thorns apart from few tidbits or saw any other crazy “hybrids” like the Toxic Hybrid of S1. It would’ve been interesting to explore that bit of lore more, especially after we were given some answers about the creation process of the Mordrem in HoT’s story.

Serious Thought.5394:

Oh dear, I started a fight. offers cookies Please, please no?

How do Elder Dragon’s just ~Create~ new species of animal? Vinetooth, Abomination?

Also, who are the giants (risen giant)? Odds of next xpac being Bubbles (DSD)? I may need to know what I can on that one too. You guys rock btw. My last thread had people telling me to quit thief.

Edit: Off note, was debating playing GW1 (will probably get it for Xmas, knowing my procrastination qualities). Who are the two characters on front of platinum edition of official website?

Nah, you reignited an old one. The theory that sylvari were dragon minions originally arose in an attempt to explain why sylvari were immune to corruption (can’t corrupt what’s already been corrupted, yo!). In my opinion, this argument got clearly debunked when people got into Crucible of Eternity and found that the Inquest had been corrupting beings with multiple dragon energies. This shows that, yes, it is possible for a creature to be corrupted by multiple dragons (although it might be harder). We don’t see the Inquest managing to corrupt sylvari, though, suggesting that sylvari protection is stronger.

Incidentally, regarding Mordremoth making Mordrem out of Risen: This, I think, is possible. Mordremoth largely does not seem to transform its victims directly, as Jormag, Zhaitan, and Kralkatorrik do. Instead, it takes a corpse or living prisoner and makes plant-clones of them. Which, incidentally, also explains why the sylvari look like humans and human pets (fernhounds) – the Pale Tree was planted over a human graveyard, and was thus able to use humans and dogs as templates.

Regarding some of the minions not based on existing creatures: Abominations were made from multiple corpses grafted together, Frankenstein-style: there’s a personal story step where this is revealed. The origin of the Vinetooth is a little less clear, but the evidence seems to be that the dragons have some ability to tweak a basic template – the Vinetooth does seem like a variation on the Terragriff or a wingless dragon (when is a gryphon not a gryphon?). Some of the Risen later in the original game are even more twisted from their starting point.

There are living giants scattered through the originally explorable areas, although they’re rare and appear to be a different species to the one-eyed Risen giants. Guild Wars 1 had a lot of giants, though, including in the Crystal Desert, so it stands to reason that giants used to be more common, and that Zhaitan would be able to access some giant bodies reasonably close to Orr.

When it comes to the DSD in a future expansion… The evidence is mixed. On the one hand, it seems a bit as if ArenaNet has been moving away from underwater combat (revenants and elite specialisations seem to have the bare minimum of underwater stuff to be functional…) – on the other, there was a concept art of Lion’s Arch being attacked by underwater dragon minions. (I haven’t seen it myself, but so I’m told). So the jury’s a bit out – it’s possible that ArenaNet skimped on underwater combat this time around because they were focused on other things, and the next expansion will be the ‘fix underwater combat’ expansion.

Next question: Once an Elder Dragon loses its Mouth/Eyes/whatever-goes-next, can it recreate them?

Risen Mouth and Eyes are destroyed, can they be remade? Mouth of Mordremoth is destroyed repeatedly, is that why?

Serious Thought.5394:

How do Elder Dragon’s just ~Create~ new species of animal? Vinetooth, Abomination?

How does an artist draw something that doesn’t exist? How does a writer describe a fictional monstrosit?

Abominations are various corpses stitched together. Other cases are just twisted corruption into a new form.

Serious Thought.5394:

Also, who are the giants (risen giant)? Odds of next xpac being Bubbles (DSD)? I may need to know what I can on that one too. You guys rock btw. My last thread had people telling me to quit thief.

Giants are just a race that’s rarely seen anymore. Rather hermit like.

IMO odds are highest for Bubbles or Kralkatorrik. But it’s highly speculativer regardless.

Serious Thought.5394:

Edit: Off note, was debating playing GW1 (will probably get it for Xmas, knowing my procrastination qualities). Who are the two characters on front of platinum edition of official website?

I always say it is worth it but it is important to note that it is a very different game from GW2.

I don’t recall who is on Platinum but if I recall it is Jora and Eve. A norn and a human.

@Drax: I’m on my phone so it’d be he’ll to reply and quote it all but me stating the Dream is protection is not theory. ArenaNet explicitly stated this in Points of Interest episode 18.

Serious Thought.5394:

Next question: Once an Elder Dragon loses its Mouth/Eyes/whatever-goes-next, can it recreate them?

Risen Mouth and Eyes are destroyed, can they be remade? Mouth of Mordremoth is destroyed repeatedly, is that why?

In most cases, the Eyes/Mouths/Claws are just dragon champions. They function no differently than other dragon champions. In the case of Eyes of Zhaitan and Mouths of Zhaitan, they were champions with unique tasks. Many exist at the same time and making more is no hard task.

Mouth of Mordremoth is Mordremoth’s physical body. But per lore, Mordremoth is capable of regrowing his body due to spoiler reasons that you haven’t seen per your first post. Hence the finale which you haven’t seen yet either.

draxynnic.3719:

Incidentally, regarding Mordremoth making Mordrem out of Risen: This, I think, is possible. Mordremoth largely does not seem to transform its victims directly, as Jormag, Zhaitan, and Kralkatorrik do. Instead, it takes a corpse or living prisoner and makes plant-clones of them. Which, incidentally, also explains why the sylvari look like humans and human pets (fernhounds) – the Pale Tree was planted over a human graveyard, and was thus able to use humans and dogs as templates.

I always wondered why there are no centaur like off-spring of the Pale Tree. I mean Ventari spent a lot of time there and he probably died there too. On top of that he also had atleast one follower, Ehrgen Windmane, who also resided at the Pale Tree. So there could be enough bodies for a template.

draxynnic.3719:

The origin of the Vinetooth is a little less clear, but the evidence seems to be that the dragons have some ability to tweak a basic template – the Vinetooth does seem like a variation on the Terragriff or a wingless dragon (when is a gryphon not a gryphon?). Some of the Risen later in the original game are even more twisted from their starting point.

I think Vinetooths are corrupted Bonebreakers, the larger version of the Rolling Devils. We saw one of them in the PAX trailer, in the scene it chases some players until they jump of a cliff and glide away.

BuddhaKeks.4857:

I always wondered why there are no centaur like off-spring of the Pale Tree. I mean Ventari spent a lot of time there and he probably died there too. On top of that he also had atleast one follower, Ehrgen Windmane, who also resided at the Pale Tree. So there could be enough bodies for a template.

By this argument, given recent lore in Rata Novus (part of one of the events), the Rata Novus krewes took occasional refuge at Ventari’s sanctuary.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rata_Novus_Console_%28Rata_Novus%29

BuddhaKeks.4857:

I think Vinetooths are corrupted Bonebreakers, the larger version of the Rolling Devils. We saw one of them in the PAX trailer, in the scene it chases some players until they jump of a cliff and glide away.

We see Mordrem Bonebreakers and Mordrem Rolling Devils. Vinetooths are much different than any Saurian we’ve seen.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

BuddhaKeks.4857:

I think Vinetooths are corrupted Bonebreakers, the larger version of the Rolling Devils. We saw one of them in the PAX trailer, in the scene it chases some players until they jump of a cliff and glide away.

We see Mordrem Bonebreakers and Mordrem Rolling Devils. Vinetooths are much different than any Saurian we’ve seen.

They don’t seem that different to me. They have similar eyes, facial features and an overall similar figure. I mean they are obviously more heavily corrupted than normal Mordrem Bonebreakers but I still think that’s the basis for them. Like the Mordrem Guard Commanders are more heavily corrupted Mordrem Guard.

None of the mordrem are corrupted… the Mordrem Bonebreakers are grown – like all other mordrem. Vinetooths as well.

The only mordrem not grown would be the first gen Mordrem Guards, whom don’t seem to even be corrupted at all given the Rata Novus story instance achievement to talk to the mordrem guard.

Sorry bad wording on my part, by more corrupted my mean, more infused with draconic magic.