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Posted by: kuritsutian.2987

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I had a cringe when I saw yesterday a Charr wearing a Balthazar Avatar armor! don’t they have their own deities? Maybe something like a Murzat Attire for cloth bearers.

What has the world come into? I see Norn Mesmers, Asura Warriors, Sylvary Engineers and even Charr Guardians!

It’s nice the dragons made us unite, but we are loosing our racial identities

At least the Charr wasn’t wearing a Dwayana’s Clothes -_-

Edit: More than deities for Chars, maybe some legion Outfits Option?

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Posted by: thunderfall.8095

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Look at the wiki! It says charr do believe in the same gods, but don’t worship them. they think of them as powerful beings to fight. PS what was his name?

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Posted by: Argon.1563

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The Flame Legion’s Shaman Caste originally persuaded the Charr to worship the Titans so they could gain influence and power over the other 3 High Legions, and it worked, until the events in The Ring of Fire took place in 1072AE that lead to the fall of the Titans. By which time, the Charr had figured out that the Flame Legion were lying to them. The Charr today have no gods and have become a misotheistic society. Im not sure if being religious in a Charr society is actually illegal, but it is certainly frowned upon. They believe gods are things to be hunted and killed, not worshipped.

and any race can be any profession without conflicts in lore or the nature of that race.

Raven is associated with cunning with trickery, so a Norn Mesmer makes a lot of sense. Theres actually a Hero Point Boss with a Raven Shaman, that uses Mesmeric magic in Snowden Drifts.

Asuran Warriors seem illogical, but they probably have a lot of tools to make up for their small stature like weapons and armour that generate kinetic energy. and The Peacemakers would require physically strong soldiers in the event of needing to physically restrain people.

Sylvari aren’t inherently obsessed with environmental friendliness and cultivating plants just because they are effectively plants. Sylvari Engineers are illustrated perfectly by Scarlet Briar, who loved engineering and metalwork, because she felt all the pieces of the machines were like all the pieces of an ecosystem, that work together to maintain something. In short, if Sylvari enjoy Engineering, they’re happy to pursue it. There are Sylvari though who dislike engineering, believing it to be unnatural and defiling the land. Its just an opinion to them.

Guardians come off immediately as “Holy” in the traditional D&D-style Fantasy sense because of their control over light and healing, but the profession can be universally applied to any race, even those who don’t have deity figures. ArenaNet described Guardian’s magic as being accessed through their “Faith”. This can be related to a Human’s faith in their gods, or a Charr’s faith in their Warband or Legion…just like that Charr in the image has faith in her fabulous outfit.

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Posted by: kuritsutian.2987

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The Flame Legion’s Shaman Caste originally persuaded the Charr to worship the Titans so they could gain influence and power over the other 3 High Legions, and it worked, until the events in The Ring of Fire took place in 1072AE that lead to the fall of the Titans. By which time, the Charr had figured out that the Flame Legion were lying to them. The Charr today have no gods and have become a misotheistic society. Im not sure if being religious in a Charr society is actually illegal, but it is certainly frowned upon. They believe gods are things to be hunted and killed, not worshipped.

and any race can be any profession without conflicts in lore or the nature of that race.

Raven is associated with cunning with trickery, so a Norn Mesmer makes a lot of sense. Theres actually a Hero Point Boss with a Raven Shaman, that uses Mesmeric magic in Snowden Drifts.

Asuran Warriors seem illogical, but they probably have a lot of tools to make up for their small stature like weapons and armour that generate kinetic energy. and The Peacemakers would require physically strong soldiers in the event of needing to physically restrain people.

Sylvari aren’t inherently obsessed with environmental friendliness and cultivating plants just because they are effectively plants. Sylvari Engineers are illustrated perfectly by Scarlet Briar, who loved engineering and metalwork, because she felt all the pieces of the machines were like all the pieces of an ecosystem, that work together to maintain something. In short, if Sylvari enjoy Engineering, they’re happy to pursue it. There are Sylvari though who dislike engineering, believing it to be unnatural and defiling the land. Its just an opinion to them.

Guardians come off immediately as “Holy” in the traditional D&D-style Fantasy sense because of their control over light and healing, but the profession can be universally applied to any race, even those who don’t have deity figures. ArenaNet described Guardian’s magic as being accessed through their “Faith”. This can be related to a Human’s faith in their gods, or a Charr’s faith in their Warband or Legion…just like that Charr in the image has faith in her fabulous outfit.

I see, I guess I am one of those old fashion retrogrades that still categorize “People” not all Norns are Drunkards who enjoy brawls and runs to battle head on regardless of outcome for the sake of a good fight.

Still agree with your points, altho misotheist ones shouldn’t wear them, but like stated before goes with the individual.

Just wanted to have racial Outfits such a legion ones, spirit ones for Norn, Gods to be human exclusive, etc. … Racial features shouldn’t be an excuse then… altho can Humans join a legion?

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Posted by: ReaverKane.7598

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The Flame Legion’s Shaman Caste originally persuaded the Charr to worship the Titans so they could gain influence and power over the other 3 High Legions, and it worked, until the events in The Ring of Fire took place in 1072AE that lead to the fall of the Titans. By which time, the Charr had figured out that the Flame Legion were lying to them. The Charr today have no gods and have become a misotheistic society. Im not sure if being religious in a Charr society is actually illegal, but it is certainly frowned upon. They believe gods are things to be hunted and killed, not worshipped.

and any race can be any profession without conflicts in lore or the nature of that race.

Raven is associated with cunning with trickery, so a Norn Mesmer makes a lot of sense. Theres actually a Hero Point Boss with a Raven Shaman, that uses Mesmeric magic in Snowden Drifts.

Asuran Warriors seem illogical, but they probably have a lot of tools to make up for their small stature like weapons and armour that generate kinetic energy. and The Peacemakers would require physically strong soldiers in the event of needing to physically restrain people.

Sylvari aren’t inherently obsessed with environmental friendliness and cultivating plants just because they are effectively plants. Sylvari Engineers are illustrated perfectly by Scarlet Briar, who loved engineering and metalwork, because she felt all the pieces of the machines were like all the pieces of an ecosystem, that work together to maintain something. In short, if Sylvari enjoy Engineering, they’re happy to pursue it. There are Sylvari though who dislike engineering, believing it to be unnatural and defiling the land. Its just an opinion to them.

Guardians come off immediately as “Holy” in the traditional D&D-style Fantasy sense because of their control over light and healing, but the profession can be universally applied to any race, even those who don’t have deity figures. ArenaNet described Guardian’s magic as being accessed through their “Faith”. This can be related to a Human’s faith in their gods, or a Charr’s faith in their Warband or Legion…just like that Charr in the image has faith in her fabulous outfit.

I see, I guess I am one of those old fashion retrogrades that still categorize “People” not all Norns are Drunkards who enjoy brawls and runs to battle head on regardless of outcome for the sake of a good fight.

Still agree with your points, altho misotheist ones shouldn’t wear them, but like stated before goes with the individual.

Just wanted to have racial Outfits such a legion ones, spirit ones for Norn, Gods to be human exclusive, etc. … Racial features shouldn’t be an excuse then… altho can Humans join a legion?

Those exist and are called Cultural Armor

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Posted by: kuritsutian.2987

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Those exist and are called Cultural Armor

And they are nice! was thinking on something more specific that would give more personality to your choices… such as the orders (with their armors) … like raven armor if you picked raven as your spirit (norn), etc, etc. …

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Posted by: Argon.1563

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Just wanted to have racial Outfits such a legion ones, spirit ones for Norn, Gods to be human exclusive, etc. … Racial features shouldn’t be an excuse then… altho can Humans join a legion?

I’d personally like to see outfits based on the other races as well. Too many human outfits and not enough based on the others.

As for Humans or non-Charr joining Legions, its implied by Brun Ingotspitter that only Charr are permitted to be Legion members. During a conversation with Taimi during LS2, she asks if she could be an “honorary member of the Iron Legion”, and he replies with “Only if you grow an extra pair of ears.”. Brun doesn’t seem very sarcastic or jokey, in fact I think he comes off as quite abrasive and cynical, so hes probably being serious.

However, there are a few instances of Legion Charr taking on non-Charr apprentices to study under them. Taimi’s apprenticeship to Brun namely, and Donal Regland, who is a Human apprentice welder in the Black Citadel. (Although the race of Donal’s teacher is never mentioned, its pretty safe to assume its a Charr.)

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Posted by: thunderfall.8095

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PS my charr actually does wear balthazar armor, but that is only because of my guild. It might have been me!

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Posted by: kuritsutian.2987

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if fire elemental last night then yes

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Posted by: thunderfall.8095

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It wasnt last night. Anyway, sometimes people do have their reasons. I used mine to promote my guild and just look amazing. On a side note, charrs in the outfit look amazing. Better than humans!

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Posted by: kuritsutian.2987

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>.> saddly I agree, and yeah you have your reasons, no need to explain or anything …was just talking about lore wise, most players wouldnt care.

As of me, the searing traumatized me …

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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I had a cringe when I saw yesterday a Charr wearing a Balthazar Avatar armor! don’t they have their own deities? Maybe something like a Murzat Attire for cloth bearers.

Mursaat, you mean? Charr don’t worship mursaat – that was the White Mantle, a group of humans.

Charr worshiped the titans, but that was over 250 years ago. Now they don’t have a faith. They do believe that gods exist, but they see them as rivals rather than beings to revere.

Of course, this is just general societal standings. Individuals may decide to follow the Six Gods.

What has the world come into? I see Norn Mesmers, Asura Warriors, Sylvary Engineers and even Charr Guardians!

Norns were always spellcasters, most asura in GW1 were actually warriors, sylvari have always been engineers due to their desire to learn things, and charr have guardians but its the lowest number of professions for the legions.

None of this is out of the ordinary for lore.

Don’t really see what you’re getting at there, other than potentially trolling, because the very foundation of the profession choices for lore was ‘exists for all races’.

Otherwise we’d have race-restricted professions like golemancers that would be an asura-only profession.

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Posted by: trub.1657

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My Charr Mesmar says hello
I created him for the fact he has lovely broad sword animations, and he LOVES human clothing and culture! He’s a fun Charr, that realizes not all humans are meat bags waiting for a BBQ. As the world events change, and unite to fight the dragons…Charr are not ignorant to any weapon or skill usable at their disposal. That is a sin in their eyes.

I have Splinter Barrage- I am a Ritualist.
I have a pet- I am a Ranger.
I have Avatar of Balthazar- I am a Dervish.

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Posted by: Danikat.8537

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I like making characters which don’t fit the racial stereotypes. I had a lot of fun coming up with a backstory to explain how my norn became an engineer.

(The short version is she felt she lacked the brute strength to be a warrior, wanted to travel too much to stay at home as a crafter and was always fascinated by gadgets and alchemy, she’s also my artificer.)

As other people have said any profession can suit any race, it’s just that some may seem more like obvious choices to us.

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Money > Gameplay > Lore in MMOs.

That’s why.

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Posted by: CureForLiving.5360

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I had a cringe when I saw yesterday a Charr wearing a Balthazar Avatar armor! don’t they have their own deities? Maybe something like a Murzat Attire for cloth bearers.

So the white washing of Kryta is fine but a Charr appropriating human culture is problematic :P

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Posted by: Deleena.3406

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Hard to say if it was white washing we never saw what pre mantle/charr invasion kryta was like (Also the fact tyria isnt earth so we dont know how genetics work there.)

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Posted by: CureForLiving.5360

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Hard to say if it was white washing we never saw what pre mantle/charr invasion kryta was like (Also the fact tyria isnt earth so we dont know how genetics work there.)

In GW1 all (or at least most) of the Krytans were brown skinned. This was during the mantle period but I don’t see how that would have affected anything since the Mantle were just Krytans that started worshiping Mursaat.
It’s not really that big of a deal for me really, modern Kryta is suppose to fill the ‘medieval fantasy trope’ and classically that tends to be pretty white. I just left like putting some SJW jargon in there XD

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Posted by: Squee.7829

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I don’t know if Kryta was necessarily “white washed”. There are still plenty of tan tropical looking people in DR, whom I assume are native Krytans (a typically tropical environment). There are just a lot more paler white people now because of the huge influx of Ascalonians. Queen Jennah is a pretty tan lady, for example.
Just my little tidbit. I don’t mean to seem indignant about the above statement or anything. I’m not trying to be all “You SJW’s are ruining…whatever it is you’re ruining with being inclusive and fair!” xD

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Posted by: CureForLiving.5360

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I don’t know if Kryta was necessarily “white washed”. There are still plenty of tan tropical looking people in DR, whom I assume are native Krytans (a typically tropical environment). There are just a lot more paler white people now because of the huge influx of Ascalonians.

I’m not particularly sure how many Ascalonians migrated to Kryta during GW1, seemingly only a small village worth which later turned into a towns worth. Unfortunately after the Foefire there wasn’t too many Ascalonians left (of course after the Searing there wasn’t too many left either).
Well it’s just a bit odd how much Kryta has changed in the subsequent 250 years, racially and culturally. Which is kinda sad since the Krytan aesthetic from GW1 was fairly interesting.

Just my little tidbit. I don’t mean to seem indignant about the above statement or anything. I’m not trying to be all “You SJW’s are ruining…whatever it is you’re ruining with being inclusive and fair!” xD

Fairness is subjective and inclusivity is at best a Sisyphean task :P

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

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I’m not particularly sure how many Ascalonians migrated to Kryta during GW1, seemingly only a small village worth which later turned into a towns worth. Unfortunately after the Foefire there wasn’t too many Ascalonians left (of course after the Searing there wasn’t too many left either).
Well it’s just a bit odd how much Kryta has changed in the subsequent 250 years, racially and culturally. Which is kinda sad since the Krytan aesthetic from GW1 was fairly interesting.

Ascalonians continued to flee to Kryta even after the initial surge that we escorted in Prophecies. Exact numbers unknown, but it was enough to merit a full sixth of Divinity’s Reach established for them.

Honestly, most of the cultural change is from the fact that the White Mantle were financially oppressing those who weren’t faithful to their religion, as denoted in the Prophecies manual. The White Mantle took all the good clothing and buildings for themselves, leaving everyone else with rags and huts.

People think that because all non-White Mantle in GW1 were in huts that that was the Krytan cultural structure, but people forget that the White Mantle had nice polished stone structures and that some Krytan villagers (many of whom had White Mantle ties via supporting them and receiving their aid) had structures like those seen outside Fort Salma in GW2 (when they’re not burning due to centaur sieges).

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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When discussing the ‘whitening’ of Kryta, three things come to mind.

First is that I think the default Krytan model in GW1 might exaggerate how dark the typical Krytan was. The White Mantle show a variety of skin tones, from the quite dark Ritualists to the fairly pale Savants. It still averages out fairly dark, but I think pre-GW1 Kryta still had a sizable minority of lighter skin tones, possibly as much as one third.

Second is demographics. Most of Kryta’s population in GW1 was located to the south, in areas that were devastated by the Great Tsunami – Lion’s Arch, D’Allessio Seaboard, Riverside Province, and unknown demographics on the eastern side of the Sea of Sorrows. It’s reasonable to think that, while in GW1 basically all Krytan citizens were represented by the dark-skinned default model, the more northern and cooler areas (which is what’s left) might have had a higher proportion of lighter-skinned people.

Third is one that only recently came to me, in that lighter skin is often viewed as more attractive in preindustrial societies. Like with most fashions, it’s a sign of wealth, in that someone with lighter skin is someone who doesn’t have to work outside (the fashion for tans in Western cultures is probably explained by jobs shifting indoor after the Industrial Revolution, and the person with a tan is then the person who can afford to take time off to enjoy the sunshine – Asian countries, where industrialisation came relatively recently, still largely consider lighter skin to be more attractive, although that may be shifting). If Krytans had a similar attitude, this might have caused a shift over time – first, in that lighter-skinned people are considered more attractive partners and thus may be more likely to have children, and second, in that most Krytans are now wealthier and have more opportunity to protect themselves from the sun, resulting in lighter skin tones even if the genetics are the same. (Particularly since I remember reading at one point that genes for lighter skin tend to be more dominant over genes for darker skin (there are multiple genes involved and it isn’t a true dominance, so it’s not as simple as, say, eye colour), so an influx of lighter-skinned people might have a bigger effect than you might otherwise expect.)

Of course, whether ArenaNet actually thought of any of this (particularly the third point, which may be a bit controversial) is a different question. However, if we assume that the original population of Kryta was roughly one third Caucasian skin tones and that people of Ascalonian descent were roughly one sixth of the population after Zhaitan had finished devastating the south, then the current demographics may not be too far off.


Reverting to the original topic: Every playable race can be every playable profession (there may be some unplayable ones in lore that are available to some races and not others). Some are more popular among some races than others, though. Supposedly, in GW2’s development, they had a document listing which professions were favoured by each race, which were less favoured but still fairly common, and some which were rare enough that an NPC with that race/profession combination should have a reason why they are. To be honest, though, I don’t think they’ve been keeping to that.

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Posted by: Wanderer.3248

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I have a couple of those outfits and I’ve never thought about the religious implications.

Also, to nitpick, the Sylvari equivalent of faith seems to be drawn from eastern philosophies such as Confucism and Buddism.

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Posted by: Vilenia.3081

Vilenia.3081

When discussing the ‘whitening’ of Kryta, three things come to mind.

-snip-

What you say is very interesting. Personally, I just blame the lack of diversity among dark skinned NPCs in comparison to those light-skinned NPCs who are declined with different hair colors. Any NPC with a random skin appears more often to be white. No wonder why.
I believe that if it wasn’t for this amount of white human PNCs there would never have been a notion of whitening in GW2. Immigration in Kryta doesn’t sorely comes from Ascalon, and krytan Deborah is not white.

PLEASE ArenaNet, put some charismatic krytan character in Season 3 !


As for the Charr in Balthazar outfit… haha, I can just see how kittened some humans can react
… and how other Charrs would too >)

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Posted by: Deleena.3406

Deleena.3406

you can actually load into DR maps that have more of light or Dark npc skin tones
(have seen whole groups of dark skinned npcs at times)
its pretty funny that Serra Birdsong can sometimes be dark skinned or light skinned xD

“Being brown skinned myself i find the ideal of a fantasy world not ment to be earth being called “whitewashed” abit silly :s
(the clam would make more sense if it was a real world based story)

On topic i never really took gemstore outfits as lore. although as OP/HAX Player character
we can get away with more. sense i feel my character dosnt represent the norm for the race. ((Dwayna worshiping healing Necro!))

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Posted by: midnight tea.3681

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The devs did say that the player characters of each race are meant to be considered eccentrics by their own people. The sort who’d go on an adventure in the first place. This was their explanation for why every race could be every profession. I also ran into an NPC charr who held Althea in high regard, seeing her as an actual victim in the Searing hundreds of years ago.

This setting has never been lacking in unusual or interesting people regardless of their race or cultural background. In a way this makes Tyria for me one of the most welcome fantasy settings I’d ever experienced. And I felt that way before they added an NPC that speaks to my own personal struggles!