Guild Wars 2

Can someone please explain to me why the pact are all over fireheart rise?

A Vigil NPC claimed that anyone not on the side of the Vigil was on the side of the dragons, but I highly doubt that’s the reasoning.

Is there any reason why they are there? Are the flame legion tied to the dragons, or are they there just for fun?

Simple answer, the Flame Legion is fighting the Charr who are fightng against the Dragons. To free up Charr forces they need to destory the Flame Legion.

Longer expanlation If the Pact secures Fireheart Rise then their flank is secured when they assualt Jormag. Also the Flame Legion is very similar to the Destoryers so they may join up with Primodus in the future.

Killul.9685:

Simple answer, the Flame Legion is fighting the Charr who are fightng against the Dragons. To free up Charr forces they need to destory the Flame Legion.

Longer expanlation If the Pact secures Fireheart Rise then their flank is secured when they assualt Jormag. Also the Flame Legion is very similar to the Destoryers so they may join up with Primodus in the future.

Simple answer is strange because instead of dedicating pact forces to freeing up the legions to fight the dragons which ties up pact forces, they could have just sent said pact forces to the dragons and the legions to the flame legion (but then again if they both fight, perhaps the job gets done quicker, though it takes away from existing jobs, such as potentially the assault on Arah or perhaps the activities in Frostgorge Sound).

Long answer is odd because the flame legion has (as far as I know) shown no interest in the Shiverpeak mountains. Why would they waste resources attacking the pact (who would not be considered belligerent if the Pact wasn’t in Fireheart Rise) as they assault Jormag when they are being pressed so hard throughout Ascalon? And would that mean that anyone who utilises fire magic for malevolent purposes be considered potential… recruits for Primordius?

All seems rather peculiar.

Dude, you gotta take care of those adds.

If you’re a charr, then one of the letters you get from Rytlock explains that the Flame Legion has a weapon the Pact is interested in using to fight the Elder Dragons. Not sure if you get such a notice as other races – I know you don’t as sylvari, but you may as human.

@Drop Bear: What Killul meant by similar to destroyers would be the Flame Legions’ shamans – who have fiery bodies, caused by self-inflicted rituals – not their use of fire magic. But that is, as far as we know, unrelated to the destroyers.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

If you’re a charr, then one of the letters you get from Rytlock explains that the Flame Legion has a weapon the Pact is interested in using to fight the Elder Dragons. Not sure if you get such a notice as other races – I know you don’t as sylvari, but you may as human.

@Drop Bear: What Killul meant by similar to destroyers would be the Flame Legions’ shamans – who have fiery bodies, caused by self-inflicted rituals – not their use of fire magic. But that is, as far as we know, unrelated to the destroyers.

No letter as far as I know.

Huh, I always thought that the destroyers were just rock creature things based off of real animals (e.g. I don’t think theres a troll as large as Megadestroyer).

Do we know what the weapon is?

Drop Bear.5839:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

If you’re a charr, then one of the letters you get from Rytlock explains that the Flame Legion has a weapon the Pact is interested in using to fight the Elder Dragons. Not sure if you get such a notice as other races – I know you don’t as sylvari, but you may as human.

@Drop Bear: What Killul meant by similar to destroyers would be the Flame Legions’ shamans – who have fiery bodies, caused by self-inflicted rituals – not their use of fire magic. But that is, as far as we know, unrelated to the destroyers.

No letter as far as I know.

Huh, I always thought that the destroyers were just rock creature things based off of real animals (e.g. I don’t think theres a troll as large as Megadestroyer).

Do we know what the weapon is?

Yap, fire. Flame Legion Shamans are going to melt Jormag to the ground. Problem solved.

Could be the stuff going on in Citadel of Flame
They are making charr into gods, ressurrecting them, imbuing searing crystal effigy things, they’re just up to lots of bad things

Trahearne wishes to become a god?

“This won’t end well”…

Drop Bear.5839:

No letter as far as I know.

Huh, I always thought that the destroyers were just rock creature things based off of real animals (e.g. I don’t think theres a troll as large as Megadestroyer).

Do we know what the weapon is?

You get the letter at one of the Claw Island arc missions, I think. It was before Forging the Pact, at least.

You are right about destroyers, those made by Primordus are indeed just creatures made of rock and lava that mimic real creatures. I was merely pointing out why someone may think there’s a relation between Flame Legion and destroyers – other than the fact that in GW1, they worshipped destroyers for a time after the titans were killed. Of course, it’s always possible that the charr are drawing from Primordus (intentionally or not), and thus are breaking Primordus’ standard means of corruption – issue is, the Flame Legions’ mentality is not very dragon minion like. Too much focus on themselves ruling, rather than Primordus’ only seen motivating: killing all lifeforms. (and note: just because Primordus doesn’t corrupt living beings doesn’t mean he can’t)

And no, its never stated, but I suspect its Baelfire’s little transformation – or alternatively, it could be the Eternal Flame. I doubt its the Searing Effigy, considering that seems to be something created after Baelfire’s death, though it could be.

Drop Bear.5839:

Killul.9685:

Simple answer, the Flame Legion is fighting the Charr who are fightng against the Dragons. To free up Charr forces they need to destory the Flame Legion.

Longer expanlation If the Pact secures Fireheart Rise then their flank is secured when they assualt Jormag. Also the Flame Legion is very similar to the Destoryers so they may join up with Primodus in the future.

Simple answer is strange because instead of dedicating pact forces to freeing up the legions to fight the dragons which ties up pact forces, they could have just sent said pact forces to the dragons and the legions to the flame legion (but then again if they both fight, perhaps the job gets done quicker, though it takes away from existing jobs, such as potentially the assault on Arah or perhaps the activities in Frostgorge Sound).

Long answer is odd because the flame legion has (as far as I know) shown no interest in the Shiverpeak mountains. Why would they waste resources attacking the pact (who would not be considered belligerent if the Pact wasn’t in Fireheart Rise) as they assault Jormag when they are being pressed so hard throughout Ascalon? And would that mean that anyone who utilises fire magic for malevolent purposes be considered potential… recruits for Primordius?

All seems rather peculiar.

The Pact is currently not making a serious attack on Jormag and before they do they could be trying to ensure more support from the Charr.

The Pact inculdes Charr and if the Flame Legion deicded to they could try and cut off the Pact’s supply line and weaken the Charr and their allies. The Flame Legion shamans worship fire and lava which are ascpets of Primodius add to that the fact they all tried to worship his minions.

“tried” is the proper term. Past tense. They no longer worship destroyers, they worship Baelfire – though what they’ll do for a god now that Baelfire’s dead and the Pact’s actively countering the Flame Legion’s resurrection ability is questionable. Then again, they’re pretty much in civil war and it seems like they’ll kill themselves off now.

It seems like the dungeons are setting things up to possibly eventually rid the world of a lot of the break-off groups. I mean the Nightmare Court and Flame Legion are kind of in civil wars/power grabs, the Ascalonian Ghosts may be eventually removed by Magdaer, Inquest have been pushed out of multiple places of power/laboratories, bandits/white mantle and the seraph are slowly building up… Again though, there is no saying how long it will be til any of these ‘possibilities’ take place.

Faolain is still alive, as is Caudecus and the bandit threat, Sons of Svanir hardly took damage, and the Ascalonian Ghosts are still a fairly large threat – only the retrieval of Magdaer is really significant there, and that’ll only end the ghosts if the legend is true.

Only the Flame Legion and Inquest (and the later far less so) really took a beating from the dungeons’ events.

Faolain is alive, but she left and her forces are left in a power struggle, which is weakening her forces. And I never claimed that the bandit threat was gone, but that it seemed to be leading up to something larger (Fort Vandal perhaps?). Neither did I claim anything about the Sons of Svanir.

Drop Bear.5839:

Simple answer is strange because instead of dedicating pact forces to freeing up the legions to fight the dragons which ties up pact forces, they could have just sent said pact forces to the dragons and the legions to the flame legion (but then again if they both fight, perhaps the job gets done quicker, though it takes away from existing jobs, such as potentially the assault on Arah or perhaps the activities in Frostgorge Sound).

It’s a question of getting the job done quicker. Split your forces, and you’re fighting a multifront war. Alternatively, if you maintain enough forces to hold the line on one front while decisively beating a foe on another, you can then redeploy all of the forces on that second front to the first.

If you use the paradigm of level as an indicator of timeline, Fireheart Rise is a 60-70 instance with CoF being a level 70 dungeon, while the invasion of Orr doesn’t start until 70 – so Baelfire is slain before the Pact begins the invasion. If it wasn’t for the added complications in explorable mode, this would represent a net win for the Pact, as the forces in Fireheart would then have been freed up for redeployment. Even with explorable mode, things get sorted out around level 75, which frees up those forces at around the time the Pact is pushing into Malchor’s Leap.

So, essentially, the Pact’s operations in Fireheart Rise represented a kind of gamble to divert some troops in advance of their primary offensive so that there would be more available when it was time for that offensive to happen. And that’s largely how it worked out.