Guild Wars 2

after i watched the eternal alchemy i get the feeling that….

the 6 dragons are actually champions of the pale tree that is currently harvesting magical energies for the pale tree. the pale tree was simply brain washed by the centaur tablet and don’t remember it being the final boss.

it could also be that after all the dragons die, the pale tree will absorb all that magical energy and we all know what happens when things eat dragon energy.

what do u guys think?

Your theory is supported only by a very specific interpretation of a very abstract cutscene. Those six orbs could represent anything—the Dragons, the Gods, the Gods’ Realms, we have no idea. So that’s one giant leap, followed by several others in quick succession. It just doesn’t seem very feasible at this early juncture. I’d wait for more evidence to emerge.

It’s clear, though, that it does have something to do with the Pale Tree. Based on ‘What Scarlet Saw’, though, it seems like the Pale Tree is more of a victim than a secret dragon-controlling supervillain. She was being strangled by vines, implying that not only is she fighting Mordremoth, but Mordremoth is winning.

you’re way too sure considering how little there is to back that.

but here’s a gameplay reason: ANet won’t villanize a player race.

I don’t understand how the Pale Tree fits into any of the Eternal Alchemy interpretations when we have good reason to believe there is at least one other sylvari mother tree out there.

ANET doesn’t need to villanize Sylvari to make the Pale Tree “evil”.

More specifically, the Pale Tree herself could be an anomaly; a consciousness of the beast, given birth to by Ventari and Ronan, and it is fighting for control to suppress its violent side.

according to the cut-scene and dialogue after, the pale tree is a the center of everything, what u see int he cut scene is that there are 7 large orbs, pale tree is in the middle according to the player conversation with Rox after.
the player also said that he saw that the dragons are major components of the world which would be the 6 orbs because the players mention anything about the gods. it shoulden’t be about the gods because the gods arn’t even native to Tyria

in the cutscene, it was 6 stationary orbs around a large one and the large one(representing pale tree) looks like it started moving the other orbs (dragons become active), which basically says that when the pale tree started to operate, the dragons started too

also yes my assumptions are based on only one instance. but its solid information and its also the Eternal Alchemy which is how the world of Tyria operates.

i’m not saying to villanize a player race, i’m simply saying that the entity know as pale tree, might not be what it seems on the out side, it might have greater motives that we don’t need to know. Hell, any GW2 salad player is created before death of Zhiatan and thus prior before pale tree’s gone bad. it can be very much like the Charr and flame legion, same race but divided

The reason why people are saying the human gods are part of the Eternal Alchemy is because of a quest in GW1 that had an asura do an experiment that ended up linking gods to the Eternal Alchemy. If recall correctly there’s a book in GW2 that references this NPC and his findings and him stating that he’d die where he was doing his research.

Edit: The Asura’s name i Kerrsh: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Kerrsh

The GW2 reference : http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Varajar_Fells_Notebook

Why does the tree in the cut scene have to be The Pale Tree?

why yes however his notes declared: “they are part of the all-encompassing Eternal Alchemy”

that is saying that fellow pact commander Xukavi is part of this world.

the eternal alchemy that we players saw, place the pale tree at THE CENTER OF ELDER DRAGONS

the part representing pale tree could be small, could be large, but what we know is that the dragons are a very VERY powerful force and all 6 of that very powerful force revolves around a even larger sphere(from the cut-scene).

also the pale tree we know of is grown out of a seed. so like what Mada says the the tree we have right now could just be a mere child,that is capable to spawn a race capable of rivaling any of the other races in a span of 25 years

The theory falls apart on one very simple and very important fact:

The Pale Tree is only 250 years old.

The Elder Dragons are 20,000+ years old.

How can the Pale Tree be the leader of the Elder Dragons, exactly? Especially when the Pale Tree is actively trying to eliminate the Elder Dragons.

A better thought is that the Pale Tree is the champion of whatever that golden center orb represents (I don’t think it represents the Pale Tree), and the Elder Dragons and said golden center are enemies. This doesn’t necessarily mean the enemy of my enemy is my friend, however…

But ArenaNet has stated in the past – for all good their statements are anymore – that they want the PCs to be “the heroes”. So they’re not going to villianize the sylvari race on a whole.

Mada.5319:

Why does the tree in the cut scene have to be The Pale Tree?

I don’t think that there is a second Pale Tree around (even with Malyck). The one we know is abstract enough from a possible natural counterpart that there is only one Pale Tree. It might be laughable to destroy Ventari’s tablet to free it.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

How can the Pale Tree be the leader of the Elder Dragons, exactly? Especially when the Pale Tree is actively trying to eliminate the Elder Dragons.

Thats an important question!

Konig Des Todes.2086:

But ArenaNet has stated in the past – for all good their statements are anymore – that they want the PCs to be “the heroes”. So they’re not going to villianize the sylvari race on a whole.

If the Pale Tree is the problem, it doesn’t necessarily make the sylvari evil. They are just misguided heroes this way and there are even more possibilities to keep the promise of the heroes.

DorDor.8617:

Those six orbs could represent anything—the Dragons, the Gods, the Gods’ Realms, we have no idea.

It says in our journal it represents the dragons, and before you say it, no, I don’t think our character would write it down by mistake.

And the orb in the end that “attacks” the center one, I think thats just Zaithan dying, not Mordremoth.
Why could it mean?
A number of reasonable things, maybe that will make the others stronger, or imbalance something, what ever it is it’s gonna be something simple and reasonably explained.

This whole “Pale Tree ultimate boss” doesn’t make any sense since there’s at least another fairly close, and possibly many more around the planet.

Horst Hortensie.5420:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

But ArenaNet has stated in the past – for all good their statements are anymore – that they want the PCs to be “the heroes”. So they’re not going to villianize the sylvari race on a whole.

If the Pale Tree is the problem, it doesn’t necessarily make the sylvari evil. They are just misguided heroes this way and there are even more possibilities to keep the promise of the heroes.

the pale tree is more than a glorified super-sylvari. she’s the mother, leader, and guide of the entire race. they treat her as a god and would follow her word to the very end. the enemies of the tree are the enemies of the sylvari.

so if the tree, the very being that births their race every single day, turns evil, then yes, you’re villanizing the sylvari.

Do we even know for sure that the Pale Tree the Sylvari are born from is the same entity that calls itself the Pale Tree?

How do we know that an Elder Dragon of Light isn’t passing itself off as the Sylvari’s Pale Tree through the Dream?

Mickey Frogeater.1470:

Do we even know for sure that the Pale Tree the Sylvari are born from is the same entity that calls itself the Pale Tree?

How do we know that an Elder Dragon of Light isn’t passing itself off as the Sylvari’s Pale Tree through the Dream?

like i said in the other thread, that’s wishful thinking. might as well say “but what if jennah is actually a charr mesmer being controlled by an elder dragon of plot twists?”

there’s no basis for your accusation, it’s instantly refuted by ALL THE LORE IN THE GAME, so might as well drop it.

Here’s my take on the Pale Tree and how such a relatively young being came to be so important. (Repost from another topic):

My guess is, the Pale Tree was supposed to be one of Mordremoth’s minion breeding machines.

The seed that Ventari and Ronan planted was one of many, found in a cave, protected by powerful plant creatures. What if those seeds were to be planted when Mordremoth’s next rising was nigh, so the resulting trees could bear fruit to create swarms of plant minions. The vision we witnessed with the Pale Tree at the center of it all may imply that she was planted at the most powerful ley line hub of them all, corresponding to the center of the Eternal Alchemy, or at least the point in Tyria that corresponds with that center. Not nourished by Mordremoth’s corruption, but the more wholesome energies that flow through the world, she spawned a pure race instead of dragon minions.

If the seeds were indeed meant to grow into minion-bearing trees, we might eventually encounter evil trees while we march on Mordremoth. Sounds like fun.

Yeah, and after that we’ll fight the champions of the other races – the human Gods, the Eternal Alchemy, Norn Spirits, and finally a showdown with Charr atheism.

Wanderer.3248:

Yeah, and after that we’ll fight the champions of the other races – the human Gods, the Eternal Alchemy, Norn Spirits, and finally a showdown with Charr atheism.

i’m picturing it as an obnoxious charr with a superiority complex explaining in detail how ignorant humans are for believing in gods. maybe he wears a fedora.