I predict that we will kill Balthazar and Rytlock will take his power to become the new god of war, Kormir-style. Rytlock clearly already knows something that he will FINALLY reveal to us as he mentions it in the trailer, and who else is kitten enough to take that kind of power (besides the PC, but we all know Anet won’t let us do that).
You heard it here first folks.
We do not know that anyone needs to take Balthazar’s domain, seeing as he was stripped of godhood, killing home may not be as fatal for Tyria as Abaddon would have been. I am still holding out hope that there is something else going on. That there is some twist about why Balthazar is doing what he is doing, but I’m not sure how long that hope can hold out. All I know is that if they had done this with Grenth, patron diety of all of my original characters, I would likely have quit playing out of anger.
My prediction:
We follow Balth deeper into the desert, on the way, palawa joko becomes a threat blocking our path and we must eliminate him, maybe doing the same ritual that was done in guild wars 1, sealing him away. Balthazar has already engaged the dragon, we fight them both.
The dragon is wounded by Balth. Aurene, now a bit stronger manages to finish Kralk with our help, avenging her mother and absorbing his powers, becoming a full crystal dragon.
She contains the magic so it doesn’t disrupt the balance of the world. With her help we blow Balthazar out of this plane of existence :P .
This depends on whether he was stripped of power Abaddon-style, or stripped of power Dhuum-style.
Abaddon was never not the god of knowledge even while imprisoned, but he was also never truly weakened either, his power was just sealed away with him in the Realm of Torment. Dhuum, however, is no longer a god but is exceptionally powerful in that same domain still for unknown reasons.
There’s no reason to believe Abaddon would have been in a weakened state once breaking free of the Realm of Torment, while Dhuum seems to be in a weakened state even after breaking free of his bindings.
As such, there may not be a need for a replacement of Balthazar – one likely already exists. The question there, then, is “will the replacement show up?”
As such, there may not be a need for a replacement of Balthazar – one likely already exists. The question there, then, is “will the replacement show up?”
I am going to guess we may get that answer once we learn the conclusion of FIssue of Woe events since they never revealed who won that battle nor the aftermath of that battle.
New personal theory. Balthazar has multiple personality disorder. Balthazar’s dark personality calls itself Menzies. And his good personality is unaware that his bad personality is himself.
Balth is not Balth but really Abaddon who is trying to get his power back assuming he wasn’t just allegedly “destroyed”.
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This is a clever plot device to slow down our dragon killing.
It has effectively put two dragons to sleep until they Anet deems them necessary again.
Balth is not Balth but really Abaddon who is trying to get his power back assuming he wasn’t just allegedly “destroyed”.
I agree with you 90% on that theory but I believe that it is Balthazar in a weakened state. When Kormir took over for Abaddon she said his memories and everything was there, but he was gone. As a god you exist in another plane and can exist without existing in the physical form. I think Anet gave us a huge hint in the new Abaddon glider. Look at what he’s doing its controlling the player with its magic to fly. Also If you look at the left cheek of Balthazar there is a rectangle red glow on it. Looks kinda like one of Abaddon’s eyes. Most may look at it as fire but the fire on him is all around with no definition to it
Also in GW1 nightfall is where he was stopped. So he may need to go there to be released from Balthazar and have his physical form. Kind of like shiro did.
Balth is not Balth but really Abaddon who is trying to get his power back assuming he wasn’t just allegedly “destroyed”.
I agree with you 90% on that theory but I believe that it is Balthazar in a weakened state. When Kormir took over for Abaddon she said his memories and everything was there, but he was gone. As a god you exist in another plane and can exist without existing in the physical form. I think Anet gave us a huge hint in the new Abaddon glider. Look at what he’s doing its controlling the player with its magic to fly. Also If you look at the left cheek of Balthazar there is a rectangle red glow on it. Looks kinda like one of Abaddon’s eyes. Most may look at it as fire but the fire on him is all around with no definition to it
Also in GW1 nightfall is where he was stopped. So he may need to go there to be released from Balthazar and have his physical form. Kind of like shiro did.
Will just put it out there that Abaddon has been confirmed by devs that he is gone, done, destroyed, dead-o, not coming back. Only the power and memories linked to his former existence were left to exist within Kormir.
The Abaddon weapon set and glider are most likely nostalgia items since the story had a hook in his reliquary. The glider? Is straight up taken out of the last instance of GW: Nightfall as that’s exactly what he looks like in the mission. I sincerely doubt that it was a hint that the dead god has somehow managed to come back.
When Kormir took over for Abaddon she said his memories and everything was there, but he was gone.
Gone as in dead. It was his power and memories, but his will was broken. Similarly, Kormir lost her individuality, keeping her body and knowledge. The two became one. That’s what was meant. “Spearmarshal Kormir” and “Abaddon, God of Knowledge” were both merged into a singular being.
The Abaddon glider is just Abaddon’s GW1 appearance turned into a glider.
Also If you look at the left cheek of Balthazar there is a rectangle red glow on it. Looks kinda like one of Abaddon’s eyes. Most may look at it as fire but the fire on him is all around with no definition to it
Huh? That’s warpaint on his face, over both eyes. I don’t know what else you may be referring to – in the trailer there is fire over his shoulders, like a chestpiece or mantle, with clear definition to it as well as coating his helm; no fire on his face is on his face.
I’m not seeing any “fire eye” on Abaddon’s cheek.
I predict that we will kill Balthazar and Rytlock will take his power to become the new god of war, Kormir-style. Rytlock clearly already knows something that he will FINALLY reveal to us as he mentions it in the trailer, and who else is kitten enough to take that kind of power (besides the PC, but we all know Anet won’t let us do that).
You heard it here first folks.
Actually, I made that speculation shortly after Episode 5. It was a little tongue-in-cheek, but I can (and do) claim to have come up with the idea long before hearing it here.
Part of the justification was that having a charr replace the god who possibly started the charr-human war in the first place could serve as a form of apology, and given the charr liking for war and fire (even if the non-Flame Charr have stepped away from that a bit, they still appreciate its practical applications) a charr who’s demonstrated an ability to cooperate with humans would be a fitting choice. It’d also be a way to troll the Flame Legion by having a charr god of fire who isn’t one of theirs.
And aggravate the Blood Legion into declaring war to kill Rytlock for becoming what they see as an abomination. Blood Legion Homeland right after Path of Fire I say is coming!
I predict Anet’s gonna fumble the story somehow.
UnbentMars.9126I predict that we will kill Balthazar and Rytlock will take his power to become the new god of war, Kormir-style. Rytlock clearly already knows something that he will FINALLY reveal to us as he mentions it in the trailer, and who else is kitten enough to take that kind of power (besides the PC, but we all know Anet won’t let us do that).
LOOOL ! I was tempted to make a troll post having the same theme: An atheistic Charr needing no gods becoming the God of War and being worshiped by the former enemy of his race !! His own race, will react also against the poor new God by declaring him a renegade and putting a bounty on his head :-)) This will mark the beginning of the true alliance between Humans and Chars both seeking the God of War in order to exterminate him.
But, being serious, another God killed / terminated / absorbed / annihilated by mortals will signal to all the mortals that the Gods are perfect target to the adventurers / heroes desiring great power or immortality. The kings also may desire the powers of a god. This will turn GW in a god hunt.
As for Abadon – from the lore I consider him the only god being on the humans side and carrying of the humans. The Forgotten killed the Abadon followers because they vandalized the faces of the other gods statues. The Forgotten – designed by the gods as watchers / protectors for the humans and not as judge and police force. Abadon punished the Forgotten for their abominable deed – killing the beings they should protect – and this was the reason the gods started the war against Abadon. So, until now Abadon was the god of the Humans and the other gods were the gods of the Forgotten.
The lore team stated that Abadon is gone for good. But it seems that the lore team was replaced. And – in my opinion – if we should battle the gods, is preferable to fight as an Abadon ally against the other gods. Because it seems the other gods are not the gods of the humans. And they have a long history of betrayal – see the Jotun legends about the gods and the giant races.
I like the idea that Lazarus is not Lazarus but Balthazar. And if Balthazar is not Balthazar but Abadon?
Abadon was the god of the deep secrets – maybe a secret not known even by the lore writers may allow him to come back.
I don’t know whether Omadd’s Machine was really destroyed. If not Balthazar must have made off with it because it just disappeared right after the fight with him. The only way Balthazar can take on Kralkatorrik is with Ormadd’s Machine. This is because Balthazar could not and did not take on a Elder Dragon when he was a proper god head. Now he is not even his former self. He is less than he was.
On the other hand if Ormadd’s Machine was really destroyed why would Balthazar go to the Crystal Desert and fight Kralkatorrik knowingly he himself would lose and fed more magic to Kralkatorrik?
There is the Snaff’s Machine. If Balthazar some how known about it and planned to use it on Kralkatorrik then he might stood a chance.
Either way Balthazar intention is to destroy all the Elder Dragons. Why would he change like that? Is it because as a full god head he and other human gods would lose against the Elder Dragons in a fight? However because of the Asuras’ inventions only now this is the only way to kill Elder Dragons? If so what about the Pact killing Zhaitan using another Asura Ray Machine aboard the air ship?
The Elder Dragons are basic elemental beings that transform magic. From human perspective the whole transformation process is gruesome and horrible as it not only involves magic alone but also involves all life and the elements. It is corruption in a way. Human gods are divine and yet they are also beings of magic. I think it is only logical that Elder Dragons can and do transform or corrupt the human gods. If Elder Dragons do, we could speculate whether Abaddon and Balthazar have been similarly transformed or corrupted. Both gods knowing their selves in danger would have used certain artifacts to fight back. Abaddon had tried to use the Bloodstones artifacts of the Seers. Now Balthazar is using asura machines?
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I don’t know whether Omadd’s Machine was really destroyed. If not Balthazar must have made off with it because it just disappeared right after the fight with him. The only way Balthazar can take on Kralkatorrik is with Ormadd’s Machine. This is because Balthazar could not and did not take on a Elder Dragon when he was a proper god head. Now he is not even his former self. He is less than he was.
On the other hand if Ormadd’s Machine was really destroyed why would Balthazar go to the Crystal Desert and fight Kralkatorrik knowingly he himself would lose and fed more magic to Kralkatorrik?
There is the Snaff’s Machine. If Balthazar some how known about it and planned to use it on Kralkatorrik then he might stood a chance.
Either way Balthazar intention is to destroy all the Elder Dragons. Why would he change like that? Is it because as a full god head he and other human gods would lose against the Elder Dragons in a fight? However because of the Asuras’ inventions only now this is the only way to kill Elder Dragons? If so what about the Pact killing Zhaitan using another Asura Ray Machine aboard the air ship?
The Elder Dragons are basic elemental beings that transform magic. From human perspective the whole transformation process is gruesome and horrible as it not only involves magic alone but also involves all life and the elements. It is corruption in a way. Human gods are divine and yet they are also beings of magic. I think it is only logical that Elder Dragons can and do transform or corrupt the human gods. If Elder Dragons do, we could speculate whether Abaddon and Balthazar have been similarly transformed or corrupted. Both gods knowing their selves in danger would have used certain artifacts to fight back. Abaddon had tried to use the Bloodstones artifacts of the Seers. Now Balthazar is using asura machines?
Its seems that Balthazar, as a old god, can easily manipulate any form of magic-energy. He just want “release” the dragon energy for his use. The machines are just one of many ways to kill elder dragons. In expansion trailer its seems he will try “brute force” against the Crystal Dragon.
Balthazar also is know for not like to use the same tactic twice.
According to Gixx, the idol was no longer enchanted afterward—the human god of mass murder is not a deity that likes to use the same tactic twice.
I don’t know whether Omadd’s Machine was really destroyed. If not Balthazar must have made off with it because it just disappeared right after the fight with him. The only way Balthazar can take on Kralkatorrik is with Ormadd’s Machine.
It was. It didn’t disappear, it exploded with enough force to launch us a few dozen feet to a completely separate platform.
Even if it hadn’t been destroyed, it looks like the machine wouldn’t work on Kralkatorrik or Selbbub. Taimi’s research was based on the idea that every dragon has a single, unique weakness- Primordus’ and Jormag’s happened to be each other, and she found a way to use the machine, but it wouldn’t have worked with Mordremoth’s weakness, and likely wouldn’t help with the other three either.
On the other hand if Ormadd’s Machine was really destroyed why would Balthazar go to the Crystal Desert and fight Kralkatorrik knowingly he himself would lose and fed more magic to Kralkatorrik?
I don’t think it’s so simple as that. The Pact was fairly successful with fighting Zhaitan and Mordremoth with armies, and according to Braham, he and a group of norn had single-handedly surrounded Jormag before Balthazar’s tampering sent him back to sleep. Fighting the dragons by force of arms clearly works, and who better to do that than the God of War?
There is the Snaff’s Machine. If Balthazar some how known about it and planned to use it on Kralkatorrik then he might stood a chance.
Possibly, but unlikely. To oversimplify, Snaff’s device worked because Snaff was able to embody happiness and contentment. That… doesn’t sound like an approach Balthazar could manage right now.
Either way Balthazar intention is to destroy all the Elder Dragons. Why would he change like that?
From what we saw in Season 3 and the PoF trailer, it looks like he’s out not just to restore his power, but to gain enough to usurp the other gods. We don’t know for sure yet, though, and it wouldn’t be the first time that a snippet of dialogue in a trailer ended up meaning something very different than we’d thought.
I think it is only logical that Elder Dragons can and do transform or corrupt the human gods. If Elder Dragons do, we could speculate whether Abaddon and Balthazar have been similarly transformed or corrupted. Both gods knowing their selves in danger would have used certain artifacts to fight back. Abaddon had tried to use the Bloodstones artifacts of the Seers. Now Balthazar is using asura machines?
Possibly, but I find it unlikely. While we have seen a couple cases where victims fight back in the early stages of dragon corruption, in both of them, the struggle became central to their life. In Balthazar’s case, he hardly seems to care about the dragons at all- as mentioned above, he’s been treating them like mobile batteries.
I don’t know whether Omadd’s Machine was really destroyed. If not Balthazar must have made off with it because it just disappeared right after the fight with him. The only way Balthazar can take on Kralkatorrik is with Ormadd’s Machine.
It was. It didn’t disappear, it exploded with enough force to launch us a few dozen feet to a completely separate platform.
Even if it hadn’t been destroyed, it looks like the machine wouldn’t work on Kralkatorrik or Selbbub. Taimi’s research was based on the idea that every dragon has a single, unique weakness- Primordus’ and Jormag’s happened to be each other, and she found a way to use the machine, but it wouldn’t have worked with Mordremoth’s weakness, and likely wouldn’t help with the other three either.
On the other hand if Ormadd’s Machine was really destroyed why would Balthazar go to the Crystal Desert and fight Kralkatorrik knowingly he himself would lose and fed more magic to Kralkatorrik?
I don’t think it’s so simple as that. The Pact was fairly successful with fighting Zhaitan and Mordremoth with armies, and according to Braham, he and a group of norn had single-handedly surrounded Jormag before Balthazar’s tampering sent him back to sleep. Fighting the dragons by force of arms clearly works, and who better to do that than the God of War?
There is the Snaff’s Machine. If Balthazar some how known about it and planned to use it on Kralkatorrik then he might stood a chance.
Possibly, but unlikely. To oversimplify, Snaff’s device worked because Snaff was able to embody happiness and contentment. That… doesn’t sound like an approach Balthazar could manage right now.
Either way Balthazar intention is to destroy all the Elder Dragons. Why would he change like that?
From what we saw in Season 3 and the PoF trailer, it looks like he’s out not just to restore his power, but to gain enough to usurp the other gods. We don’t know for sure yet, though, and it wouldn’t be the first time that a snippet of dialogue in a trailer ended up meaning something very different than we’d thought.
I think it is only logical that Elder Dragons can and do transform or corrupt the human gods. If Elder Dragons do, we could speculate whether Abaddon and Balthazar have been similarly transformed or corrupted. Both gods knowing their selves in danger would have used certain artifacts to fight back. Abaddon had tried to use the Bloodstones artifacts of the Seers. Now Balthazar is using asura machines?
Possibly, but I find it unlikely. While we have seen a couple cases where victims fight back in the early stages of dragon corruption, in both of them, the struggle became central to their life. In Balthazar’s case, he hardly seems to care about the dragons at all- as mentioned above, he’s been treating them like mobile batteries.
Taking down Mordy was the odd one out as it ended without the asura machine as the airship transporting it were taken out right at the start. Mordy final end do have similarity to Abaddon’s end as both wills/mental well beings/spirits were beaten down before or at the same time as their physical selves were taking a bashing.
Abaddon a human god ended by the hands of the humans he had helped to bring forth in to the world of Tyria. Mordy a plant god ended by the hands of plant people the Sylvari he had helped to bring forth in to the world of Tyria.
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I can see Braham in his ‘Grr, I hate Dragons’ state coming down to the Crystal Desert angry at the commander for being involved in putting Jormag to sleep and joining Balthazar on his war to kill Kralkatorrik.
Then we have a whole plot point and drama as the Commander dealing with an old friend joining the enemy.
The above obviously relies on Balthazar willingly accepting Braham rather than just outright killing him, which seems against his nature so they may genuinely leave him for whatever expansion deals with Jormag, but I just have a feeling that they’ve built him up far too much in Season 3 to leave him out of the expansion entirely.
Considering that Balthazar uses charr mercenaries, I doubt he’d have any problem accepting a norn that showed up and offered help. At worst, he might be suspicious of getting another ‘bothersome shadow’.
There is the Snaff’s Machine. If Balthazar some how known about it and planned to use it on Kralkatorrik then he might stood a chance.
Possibly, but unlikely. To oversimplify, Snaff’s device worked because Snaff was able to embody happiness and contentment. That… doesn’t sound like an approach Balthazar could manage right now.
Which raises an interesting, albeit wild, speculation…
The new Dragonbrand on the map shows Kralkatorrik parking himself next to the Garden of Seborhin without corrupting it. What if this was deliberate on Kralky’s part – he went there looking for some peace and serenity? :P
On the general concept of the power of the gods related to the dragons: We never really got a solid indication on how they compared in power except that they were on a similar level and that (until now) the gods hadn’t tried to take them on directly.
The only indication we might possibly have is the corrupted Priestess of Lyssa’s claim that Zhaitan ate Lyssa, but I have to say I don’t consider her a credible source.
Considering that Balthazar uses charr mercenaries, I doubt he’d have any problem accepting a norn that showed up and offered help. At worst, he might be suspicious of getting another ‘bothersome shadow’.
There is the Snaff’s Machine. If Balthazar some how known about it and planned to use it on Kralkatorrik then he might stood a chance.
Possibly, but unlikely. To oversimplify, Snaff’s device worked because Snaff was able to embody happiness and contentment. That… doesn’t sound like an approach Balthazar could manage right now.
Which raises an interesting, albeit wild, speculation…
The new Dragonbrand on the map shows Kralkatorrik parking himself next to the Garden of Seborhin without corrupting it. What if this was deliberate on Kralky’s part – he went there looking for some peace and serenity? :P
On the general concept of the power of the gods related to the dragons: We never really got a solid indication on how they compared in power except that they were on a similar level and that (until now) the gods hadn’t tried to take them on directly.
The only indication we might possibly have is the corrupted Priestess of Lyssa’s claim that Zhaitan ate Lyssa, but I have to say I don’t consider her a credible source.
Precedence for divine magic transformation/corruption/consumption by elder dragon and others do exist. Zhaitan is know to have collected all manner of magical items and holy reliquaries and consuming them. As the story presented it, these magical items and holy reliquaries must have included magical items from the Six. Zhaitan has also fully corrupted all orrian holy sites and temples of the Six and usurping the Six divine powers in these places.
Jormag has consumed spirits of the wild. The best known are Spirit of the Owl, Spirit of the Ox, and Spirit of the Wolverine. These spirits of the wild have a human origin and therefore lead to the six even if subsequently the norn have taken up the religion after they had lost their magitech in accordance to ancient jotun lore.
Kormir herself have merged and transformed Abaddon’s divine knowledge and power. I don’t think Abaddon wanted that way in how his knowledge and power were merged and transformed by Kormir. So in Abaddon’s case despite it went against his will his divine knowledge and divine power were consumed/corrupted/transformed.
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Precedence for divine magic transformation/corruption/consumption by elder dragon and others do exist. Zhaitan is know to have collected all manner of magical items and holy reliquaries and consuming them. As the story presented it, these magical items and holy reliquaries must have included magical items from the Six. Zhaitan has also fully corrupted all orrian holy sites and temples of the Six and usurping the Six divine powers in these places.
Zhaitan never raided the holy reliquaries, which are in Siren’s Landing. They remain closed and destroyed even now. We also don’t know which – if any – of the “holy items” are actually with divine magic and not just holy due to their association rather than origin.
On the flip side, we have multiple examples of divine magic, or individuals related to the Six Gods, being immune or outright countering dragon magic, including:
Jormag has consumed spirits of the wild. The best known are Spirit of the Owl, Spirit of the Ox, and Spirit of the Wolverine. These spirits of the wild have a human origin and therefore lead to the six even if subsequently the norn have taken up the religion after they had lost their magitech in accordance to ancient jotun lore.
Just to clarify, nothing actually links the Spirits of the Wild with the same divinity as either the Six Gods, which is very real even if unknown (or exactly “divinity” as one would expect it to be), or the theoretical divinity of other gods like Koda and Zintl.
I am not sure where you get that the spirits of the wild have “a human origin and therefore lead to the six”. There is nothing about the Spirits of the Wild in any human lore, historical or modern. The closest we get are the Kurzick “forest spirits” that include Urgoz, and the Luxon “sea spirits” that include Zhu Hanuku.
Kormir herself have merged and transformed Abaddon’s divine knowledge and power. I don’t think Abaddon wanted that way in how his knowledge and power were merged and transformed by Kormir. So in Abaddon’s case despite it went against his will his divine knowledge and divine power were consumed/corrupted/transformed.
But not by a dragon, and technically Abaddon was killed at that moment – his body breaking up, and his power being unleashed.
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Precedence for divine magic transformation/corruption/consumption by elder dragon and others do exist. Zhaitan is know to have collected all manner of magical items and holy reliquaries and consuming them. As the story presented it, these magical items and holy reliquaries must have included magical items from the Six. Zhaitan has also fully corrupted all orrian holy sites and temples of the Six and usurping the Six divine powers in these places.
Zhaitan never raided the holy reliquaries, which are in Siren’s Landing. They remain closed and destroyed even now. We also don’t know which – if any – of the “holy items” are actually with divine magic and not just holy due to their association rather than origin.
On the flip side, we have multiple examples of divine magic, or individuals related to the Six Gods, being immune or outright countering dragon magic, including:
- The Foefire ghosts, immune to Kralkatorrik’s corruptive breath; Sohothin and Magdaer were made in Orr while the gods lived there, possible tie.
- Divine Fire, made mordrem flee in terror and killed the nigh unkillable Shadow of the Dragon, definite tie.
- Forgotten magic, outright immune to all dragon corruption and some is even capable of reversing the hive mind of dragon minions, highly probable tie.
- Bloodstones, made of “divine resources” per the Forgotten tablets in Tarir, is completely hidden from the Elder Dragons (the only case of dragons using bloodstone is of high priests who had shards on hand in life).
- Balthazar himself, though weakened and possibly no longer god of war, stood in front of Primordus and an army of destroyers without getting nommed on, before he could turn on the machine.
Jormag has consumed spirits of the wild. The best known are Spirit of the Owl, Spirit of the Ox, and Spirit of the Wolverine. These spirits of the wild have a human origin and therefore lead to the six even if subsequently the norn have taken up the religion after they had lost their magitech in accordance to ancient jotun lore.
Just to clarify, nothing actually links the Spirits of the Wild with the same divinity as either the Six Gods, which is very real even if unknown (or exactly “divinity” as one would expect it to be), or the theoretical divinity of other gods like Koda and Zintl.
I am not sure where you get that the spirits of the wild have “a human origin and therefore lead to the six”. There is nothing about the Spirits of the Wild in any human lore, historical or modern. The closest we get are the Kurzick “forest spirits” that include Urgoz, and the Luxon “sea spirits” that include Zhu Hanuku.
Kormir herself have merged and transformed Abaddon’s divine knowledge and power. I don’t think Abaddon wanted that way in how his knowledge and power were merged and transformed by Kormir. So in Abaddon’s case despite it went against his will his divine knowledge and divine power were consumed/corrupted/transformed.
But not by a dragon, and technically Abaddon was killed at that moment – his body breaking up, and his power being unleashed.
Before entering Orr in the personal story of GW2, there is an Abaddon temple under the sea in the Strait of Devastation. The PC did a mission there. In that temple there was a holy relic of Abaddon. Near the end of the mission PC has to fight 2 Zhaitan bosses. One of the bosses is Mouth of Zhaitan. The Mouth of Zhaitan took the holy ancient relic of Abaddon and consumed it. The Mouth of Zhaitan managed to get away. Zhaitan did have the ability to consumed/corrupted/transformed divine magic from the Six.
Unless Anet introduce more spirits of the wild that are alien then what spirits of the wild we have currently is just too closely associated with human kind. It is this reason alone with the current spirits of the wild being too familiar with what we would expect from a human world that I would associate spirits of the wild as being part of the human shamanistic spiritual religion.
On a side note, I had written in the past that Zhaitan has close similarity with western medieval occidental Christian/Judaic religious artistic representation of the apocalyptical dragon before Anet made one of its arm much bigger than the other. Now with HOT, Mordy has striking similarity to the modern oriental good luck dragon. Ancient oriental dragon were not depicted like that.
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It’s… ambiguous. The nature of the artifact in the Temple of Abaddon was never identified – it could just have been a powerful non-divine artifact that was stored there because Abaddon liked magic.
Similarly, the magic of the temples and statues in Orr, which Zhaitan corrupted, may have been mortal magic that the people of Orr created as part of their devotion to the gods, not divine magic per se. We don’t know. It’s possible that an Elder Dragon could bear and consume a god. It’s also possible that the reverse is true, but the gods knew the consequences of destroying dragons. We don’t know.
Certainly, I don’t think that the Priestess of Lyssa claiming that Zhaitan ate Lyssa is a credible source. Followers of Lyssa practice deception by nature, and we see a few examples of the Risen employing psychological tricks of one form or another. So I’m certainly not going to take the goading of a Risen Priestess of Lyssa as gospel.
Zhaitan never raided the holy reliquaries, which are in Siren’s Landing. They remain closed and destroyed even now. We also don’t know which – if any – of the “holy items” are actually with divine magic and not just holy due to their association rather than origin.
In the side quest, Rose makes an interesting questioning, firstly how such monuments were intact after re-emergence of a entire continent from sea? … even more interesting, is that the developers put this in evidence.
Day 5: I traveled farther inland. The architecture here is far more grandiose. It’s truly a sight to behold. I’m amazed that the rise of Orr didn’t completely reduce these monuments to rubble
I don’t get what you’re saying about the spirits of the wild “not being alien enough” as somehow being proof that the spirits are connected to either the Six or humans or whatever. Its rather common for fantasy stories, regardless of the media format, to include recognizable creatures and concepts. There isn’t any evidence that humans brought any flora or fauna with them when the Six led them to Tyria. That’s not to say its impossible or implausible that they may have brought some domesticated animals with them to Tyria, but creatures like bears, snow leopards, wolverines? Have you ever seen a real wolverine, what they can do to someone? No, there is not currently any evidence that the Spirits of the Wild are connected to either humans or the Six directly.
I don’t get what you’re saying about the spirits of the wild “not being alien enough” as somehow being proof that the spirits are connected to either the Six or humans or whatever. Its rather common for fantasy stories, regardless of the media format, to include recognizable creatures and concepts. There isn’t any evidence that humans brought any flora or fauna with them when the Six led them to Tyria. That’s not to say its impossible or implausible that they may have brought some domesticated animals with them to Tyria, but creatures like bears, snow leopards, wolverines? Have you ever seen a real wolverine, what they can do to someone? No, there is not currently any evidence that the Spirits of the Wild are connected to either humans or the Six directly.
Not saying I am right, but animals and trees are the preserve of Melandru. All the spirits of the wild that we know of exemplified by animals of the wilderness are associated under the care of Melandru including human. For example leopard, wolf, and bear are animals that come under the ward of Melandru in the story. Where as animals of the Jutan, Trolls, and some other more alien creatures have very little association with Melandru.
Where as animals of the Jutan, Trolls, and some other more alien creatures have very little association with Melandru.
Just an FYI, Jotun, trolls etc. are actually native to Tyria. It is actually the humans (and their gods) that are alien to it.
Before entering Orr in the personal story of GW2, there is an Abaddon temple under the sea in the Strait of Devastation. The PC did a mission there. In that temple there was a holy relic of Abaddon. Near the end of the mission PC has to fight 2 Zhaitan bosses. One of the bosses is Mouth of Zhaitan. The Mouth of Zhaitan took the holy ancient relic of Abaddon and consumed it. The Mouth of Zhaitan managed to get away. Zhaitan did have the ability to consumed/corrupted/transformed divine magic from the Six.
I am aware of that mission. Here is what’s said about the “holy ancient relic” :
Trahearne: Zhaitan craves something inside that temple, so we must get there first. Sayeh will accompany you as a guide.
We literally know nothing about what the Mouth took in there.
If I overlooked a line, please, look over the wiki article and quote it to me
Unless Anet introduce more spirits of the wild that are alien then what spirits of the wild we have currently is just too closely associated with human kind. It is this reason alone with the current spirits of the wild being too familiar with what we would expect from a human world that I would associate spirits of the wild as being part of the human shamanistic spiritual religion.
I don’t get this argument at all. The spirits of the wild we know are “too human”? How? Because they’re of animals that exist on Earth? How about Wurm or Minotaur then?
I don’t get how they are “too closely associated with human kind”. Humanity never had anything to do with the Spirits of the Wild. The closest we get is, as I said, the forest and sea spirits of Kurzicks and Luxons. They may be the same thing, or may not be.
On a side note, I had written in the past that Zhaitan has close similarity with western medieval occidental Christian/Judaic religious artistic representation of the apocalyptical dragon before Anet made one of its arm much bigger than the other. Now with HOT, Mordy has striking similarity to the modern oriental good luck dragon. Ancient oriental dragon were not depicted like that.
Oh, okay, I get it.
You’re taking Earth-based inspiration as saying that they are “too human” and thus “not Tyrian”. That logic is heavily flawed.
In the side quest, Rose makes an interesting questioning, firstly how such monuments were intact after re-emergence of a entire continent from sea? … even more interesting, is that the developers put this in evidence.
Day 5: I traveled farther inland. The architecture here is far more grandiose. It’s truly a sight to behold. I’m amazed that the rise of Orr didn’t completely reduce these monuments to rubble
“completely reduce these monuments to rubble” is different than “they are not destroyed.” There is an NPC, wiki page, which tells us only Abaddon’s reliquary wasn’t destroyed.
Not saying I am right, but animals and trees are the preserve of Melandru. All the spirits of the wild that we know of exemplified by animals of the wilderness are associated under the care of Melandru including human. For example leopard, wolf, and bear are animals that come under the ward of Melandru in the story. Where as animals of the Jutan, Trolls, and some other more alien creatures have very little association with Melandru.
Technically, that’s how humans view it but not necessarily how it actually is. Melandru – like humans – are alien to Tyria (world). We don’t know if the Six Gods brought any animals with them when they brought humans and Forgotten.
Melandru “adopted” Tyrian nature, it didn’t belong to her always and forever.
It sounds like you’re basically saying “animals we can find on earth are under Melandru’s domains, while fantasy creatures are not” and that is a heavily flawed argument.
I predict that we will kill Balthazar and Rytlock will take his power to become the new god of war, Kormir-style. Rytlock clearly already knows something that he will FINALLY reveal to us as he mentions it in the trailer, and who else is kitten enough to take that kind of power (besides the PC, but we all know Anet won’t let us do that).
You heard it here first folks.
This is literally the worst thing ever and a complete disregard to old lore.
I get accepting the peace treaty – I get that we have to be a PC with all the other races now.
I can even begrudgingly accept that I can’t join Balthazar in the first PoF mission despite being asked to do so and wholeheartedly wanting to.
But this is too far – to have a Charr as the human god of war – it just completely ruins the old lore for me.
I honestly wouldn’t accept it.
I predict that we will kill Balthazar and Rytlock will take his power to become the new god of war, Kormir-style. Rytlock clearly already knows something that he will FINALLY reveal to us as he mentions it in the trailer, and who else is kitten enough to take that kind of power (besides the PC, but we all know Anet won’t let us do that).
You heard it here first folks.
Actually, I made that speculation shortly after Episode 5. It was a little tongue-in-cheek, but I can (and do) claim to have come up with the idea long before hearing it here.
Part of the justification was that having a charr replace the god who possibly started the charr-human war in the first place could serve as a form of apology, and given the charr liking for war and fire (even if the non-Flame Charr have stepped away from that a bit, they still appreciate its practical applications) a charr who’s demonstrated an ability to cooperate with humans would be a fitting choice. It’d also be a way to troll the Flame Legion by having a charr god of fire who isn’t one of theirs.
I honestly don’t understand this western-type apologetic mindset. There seems to be a fixation with it – and I don’t really see why it should be part of a game.
A game – that as far as I’m concerned – shouldn’t try to appeal to the latest “cultural trend”.
Why should you apologize? What for? We all try to become great and in the process come into conflict with others. There’s honor in fighting to claim greatness.
I predict that we will kill Balthazar and Rytlock will take his power to become the new god of war, Kormir-style. Rytlock clearly already knows something that he will FINALLY reveal to us as he mentions it in the trailer, and who else is kitten enough to take that kind of power (besides the PC, but we all know Anet won’t let us do that).
You heard it here first folks.
This is literally the worst thing ever and a complete disregard to old lore.
I get accepting the peace treaty – I get that we have to be a PC with all the other races now.
I can even begrudgingly accept that I can’t join Balthazar in the first PoF mission despite being asked to do so and wholeheartedly wanting to.But this is too far – to have a Charr as the human god of war – it just completely ruins the old lore for me.
I honestly wouldn’t accept it.
Considering the fact that Balthazar isn’t a God anymore I highly doubt that someone will take his power so I wouldn’t worry that much that Rytlock will take Balthazars place as God of War since someone else already replaced him.
I predict that we will kill Balthazar and Rytlock will take his power to become the new god of war, Kormir-style. Rytlock clearly already knows something that he will FINALLY reveal to us as he mentions it in the trailer, and who else is kitten enough to take that kind of power (besides the PC, but we all know Anet won’t let us do that).
You heard it here first folks.
This is literally the worst thing ever and a complete disregard to old lore.
I get accepting the peace treaty – I get that we have to be a PC with all the other races now.
I can even begrudgingly accept that I can’t join Balthazar in the first PoF mission despite being asked to do so and wholeheartedly wanting to.But this is too far – to have a Charr as the human god of war – it just completely ruins the old lore for me.
I honestly wouldn’t accept it.Considering the fact that Balthazar isn’t a God anymore I highly doubt that someone will take his power so I wouldn’t worry that much that Rytlock will take Balthazars place as God of War since someone else already replaced him.
We don’t know that for sure, he could still hold his mantle, but the mantle isself may have been diminished.
I predict that we will kill Balthazar and Rytlock will take his power to become the new god of war, Kormir-style. Rytlock clearly already knows something that he will FINALLY reveal to us as he mentions it in the trailer, and who else is kitten enough to take that kind of power (besides the PC, but we all know Anet won’t let us do that).
You heard it here first folks.
Actually, I made that speculation shortly after Episode 5. It was a little tongue-in-cheek, but I can (and do) claim to have come up with the idea long before hearing it here.
Part of the justification was that having a charr replace the god who possibly started the charr-human war in the first place could serve as a form of apology, and given the charr liking for war and fire (even if the non-Flame Charr have stepped away from that a bit, they still appreciate its practical applications) a charr who’s demonstrated an ability to cooperate with humans would be a fitting choice. It’d also be a way to troll the Flame Legion by having a charr god of fire who isn’t one of theirs.
I honestly don’t understand this western-type apologetic mindset. There seems to be a fixation with it – and I don’t really see why it should be part of a game.
A game – that as far as I’m concerned – shouldn’t try to appeal to the latest “cultural trend”.Why should you apologize? What for? We all try to become great and in the process come into conflict with others. There’s honor in fighting to claim greatness.
What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to get to the ‘hurr durr appeal to the latest cultural trend’ out of that?
I predict that we will kill Balthazar and Rytlock will take his power to become the new god of war, Kormir-style. Rytlock clearly already knows something that he will FINALLY reveal to us as he mentions it in the trailer, and who else is kitten enough to take that kind of power (besides the PC, but we all know Anet won’t let us do that).
You heard it here first folks.
Actually, I made that speculation shortly after Episode 5. It was a little tongue-in-cheek, but I can (and do) claim to have come up with the idea long before hearing it here.
Part of the justification was that having a charr replace the god who possibly started the charr-human war in the first place could serve as a form of apology, and given the charr liking for war and fire (even if the non-Flame Charr have stepped away from that a bit, they still appreciate its practical applications) a charr who’s demonstrated an ability to cooperate with humans would be a fitting choice. It’d also be a way to troll the Flame Legion by having a charr god of fire who isn’t one of theirs.
I honestly don’t understand this western-type apologetic mindset. There seems to be a fixation with it – and I don’t really see why it should be part of a game.
A game – that as far as I’m concerned – shouldn’t try to appeal to the latest “cultural trend”.Why should you apologize? What for? We all try to become great and in the process come into conflict with others. There’s honor in fighting to claim greatness.
What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to get to the ‘hurr durr appeal to the latest cultural trend’ out of that?
Well – I’ve seen the latest culture trend of apology-inspired “let’s not offend and let’s make everything alright for everyone” which I think is an attitude that permeates throughout a lot of the US.
Why would you ever apologize to your enemy? Humans and Charr aren’t friends – they’re allies out of necessity.
I predict that we will kill Balthazar and Rytlock will take his power to become the new god of war, Kormir-style. Rytlock clearly already knows something that he will FINALLY reveal to us as he mentions it in the trailer, and who else is kitten enough to take that kind of power (besides the PC, but we all know Anet won’t let us do that).
You heard it here first folks.
Actually, I made that speculation shortly after Episode 5. It was a little tongue-in-cheek, but I can (and do) claim to have come up with the idea long before hearing it here.
Part of the justification was that having a charr replace the god who possibly started the charr-human war in the first place could serve as a form of apology, and given the charr liking for war and fire (even if the non-Flame Charr have stepped away from that a bit, they still appreciate its practical applications) a charr who’s demonstrated an ability to cooperate with humans would be a fitting choice. It’d also be a way to troll the Flame Legion by having a charr god of fire who isn’t one of theirs.
I honestly don’t understand this western-type apologetic mindset. There seems to be a fixation with it – and I don’t really see why it should be part of a game.
A game – that as far as I’m concerned – shouldn’t try to appeal to the latest “cultural trend”.Why should you apologize? What for? We all try to become great and in the process come into conflict with others. There’s honor in fighting to claim greatness.
What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to get to the ‘hurr durr appeal to the latest cultural trend’ out of that?
Well – I’ve seen the latest culture trend of apology-inspired “let’s not offend and let’s make everything alright for everyone” which I think is an attitude that permeates throughout a lot of the US.
Why would you ever apologize to your enemy? Humans and Charr aren’t friends – they’re allies out of necessity.
Well – you’ve seen what you are looking for. What’s wrong with not offending people?
Going out of your way to offend someone is what most people call ‘rude’ and ‘unnecessary’. The rest of us see an ever-increasing refusal to apologize for anything even if you really should. The Charr and the Humans were enemies, now they are friends/allies and both sides have several places in Core Tyria (personal story, events, hearts, random NPC dialogue) where they explain valid reasoning behind both the apologies and the importance of the friendship/alliance more than just out of necessity.
Feel free to run around explaining to the NPCs why they are wrong, I’m sure they’ll see the error of their ways and start fighting other friendly NPCs.
Well – I’ve seen the latest culture trend of apology-inspired “let’s not offend and let’s make everything alright for everyone” which I think is an attitude that permeates throughout a lot of the US.
Are you looking at the same US that I live in?
Because a “trend of apology-inspired ’let’s not offend and let’s make everything alright for everyone’” is hardly what I would say is happening over here, when we got people rallying to fear-mongering businessmen and open brawls occurring in the streets between two different rallies.
I’d rather not talk politics but while I do see a quiet majority wanting to not offend folks (which is far from a bad thing) and wanting something called peace (again, not a bad thing), it’s hardly something that permeates through either the news or common fiction (after all, fiction requires strife and conflict of some kind to make a plot – well, not requires, but certainly is in the vast majority of all stories of interest).
I make my prediction on another thread:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/lwd/So-Balthazar-wants-to-be-PoF-spoiler/first#post6698260
I predict that we will kill Balthazar and Rytlock will take his power to become the new god of war, Kormir-style. Rytlock clearly already knows something that he will FINALLY reveal to us as he mentions it in the trailer, and who else is kitten enough to take that kind of power (besides the PC, but we all know Anet won’t let us do that).
You heard it here first folks.
Actually, I made that speculation shortly after Episode 5. It was a little tongue-in-cheek, but I can (and do) claim to have come up with the idea long before hearing it here.
Part of the justification was that having a charr replace the god who possibly started the charr-human war in the first place could serve as a form of apology, and given the charr liking for war and fire (even if the non-Flame Charr have stepped away from that a bit, they still appreciate its practical applications) a charr who’s demonstrated an ability to cooperate with humans would be a fitting choice. It’d also be a way to troll the Flame Legion by having a charr god of fire who isn’t one of theirs.
I honestly don’t understand this western-type apologetic mindset. There seems to be a fixation with it – and I don’t really see why it should be part of a game.
A game – that as far as I’m concerned – shouldn’t try to appeal to the latest “cultural trend”.Why should you apologize? What for? We all try to become great and in the process come into conflict with others. There’s honor in fighting to claim greatness.
What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to get to the ‘hurr durr appeal to the latest cultural trend’ out of that?
Well – I’ve seen the latest culture trend of apology-inspired “let’s not offend and let’s make everything alright for everyone” which I think is an attitude that permeates throughout a lot of the US.
Why would you ever apologize to your enemy? Humans and Charr aren’t friends – they’re allies out of necessity.Well – you’ve seen what you are looking for. What’s wrong with not offending people?
Going out of your way to offend someone is what most people call ‘rude’ and ‘unnecessary’. The rest of us see an ever-increasing refusal to apologize for anything even if you really should. The Charr and the Humans were enemies, now they are friends/allies and both sides have several places in Core Tyria (personal story, events, hearts, random NPC dialogue) where they explain valid reasoning behind both the apologies and the importance of the friendship/alliance more than just out of necessity.Feel free to run around explaining to the NPCs why they are wrong, I’m sure they’ll see the error of their ways and start fighting other friendly NPCs.
The problem is that they’re changing too much of the game’s core elements in order to create this “all-inclusive, everyone is happy narrative”. It’s sacrificing lore and story for the sake of “friendship”.
The humans and charr are allies out of necessity. And honestly I don’t see how peace can be an issue while the kitten ed Charr occupy the lands of Ascalon.
There are situations in life where there can be no middle ground. Both sides are right.
History will not determine who’s right – only who’s left.
I predict that we will kill Balthazar and Rytlock will take his power to become the new god of war, Kormir-style. Rytlock clearly already knows something that he will FINALLY reveal to us as he mentions it in the trailer, and who else is kitten enough to take that kind of power (besides the PC, but we all know Anet won’t let us do that).
You heard it here first folks.
Actually, I made that speculation shortly after Episode 5. It was a little tongue-in-cheek, but I can (and do) claim to have come up with the idea long before hearing it here.
Part of the justification was that having a charr replace the god who possibly started the charr-human war in the first place could serve as a form of apology, and given the charr liking for war and fire (even if the non-Flame Charr have stepped away from that a bit, they still appreciate its practical applications) a charr who’s demonstrated an ability to cooperate with humans would be a fitting choice. It’d also be a way to troll the Flame Legion by having a charr god of fire who isn’t one of theirs.
Only if spoiler necromancer can reanimate Gwen who then becomes the next khan-ur.
On a serious note though i’m sure arenanet are prepared to make rytlock the all seeing, all powerful master of the universes if that means they can release another rytlock mini/collectors statue (now with glowing wings). He is already close enough to defying the fabrics of time as it is so it shouldn’t be a problem.
On the other hand there is another chosen one destined for greatness. Introducing Swordsmaster fahren the war god.
On a serious note though i’m sure arenanet are prepared to make rytlock the all seeing, all powerful master of the universes if that means they can release another rytlock mini/collectors statue (now with glowing wings). He is already close enough to defying the fabrics of time as it is so it shouldn’t be a problem.
I hope this doesn’t happen. Bad enough I hate Rytlock and Anet is already shoving him down my throat every rotten chance they get. :\
On a serious note though i’m sure arenanet are prepared to make rytlock the all seeing, all powerful master of the universes if that means they can release another rytlock mini/collectors statue (now with glowing wings). He is already close enough to defying the fabrics of time as it is so it shouldn’t be a problem.
I hope this doesn’t happen. Bad enough I hate Rytlock and Anet is already shoving him down my throat every rotten chance they get. :\
I don’t know man, he’s been MIA a lot lately. He was gone a long time when he chased his sword into the Mists, and shortly after the events of HoT he got “recalled” back to the Black Citadel, only returning at the beginning of PoF. We’ve not seen a ton of him lately.
On a serious note though i’m sure arenanet are prepared to make rytlock the all seeing, all powerful master of the universes if that means they can release another rytlock mini/collectors statue (now with glowing wings). He is already close enough to defying the fabrics of time as it is so it shouldn’t be a problem.
I hope this doesn’t happen. Bad enough I hate Rytlock and Anet is already shoving him down my throat every rotten chance they get. :\
I don’t know man, he’s been MIA a lot lately. He was gone a long time when he chased his sword into the Mists, and shortly after the events of HoT he got “recalled” back to the Black Citadel, only returning at the beginning of PoF. We’ve not seen a ton of him lately.
I don’t really care all that much and here’s why (personal opinion and whining/complaining incoming):
I think he’s a badly written character. He has one character trait: jerk (and not the lovable kind). There’s nothing interesting, compelling, or redeeming about that. That isn’t enough for me to care about anything he does past, present, or future other than him doing it as far away from me as possible, preferably in a completely different area in a different story that doesn’t take place in my own. Like the movie Twilight, you could replace Rytlock with a cheeseburger for the entire “story” of Guild Wars 2 and get the same outcomes without having to tweak anything.
I’d much rather see Zojja come back but it’s clear Anet has fridged her for good. We haven’t seen her since near the end of HoT and we don’t know what her condition is and how her capture has affected her (I don’t count hearsay from other Asura and Rytlock in LWS3 Ep 1 to be “news”: unless the PC has actually seen her then we don’t and won’t know her condition until we do when and if Anet decides to bring her back). Heck, we don’t know much about how much Logan’s changed other than that he’s been affected based on his dialogue in Ep 4 of LWS3. That’s a story/plot with plenty to delve into, plenty to explore in terms of possible repercussions, in my opinion. However, Anet seems to be more focused on GW1 namedropping and relying heavily on that nostalgia, which feels alienating to someone like myself who tried to get into GW1 but couldn’t.
At the end of the day this is all just me really whining and complaining about a character I don’t like at all and not looking forward to spending time with in PoF if I even buy it so feel free to ignore me. I needed to get that off of my chest. To those who like Rytlock, more power to you all. Have fun.
I just find him to be uninteresting, poorly developed, poorly written, and poorly executed (much like the bulk of GW2’s story but I’ve already ranted enough on the matter of Rytlock so I’m not going to go into GW2’s story).
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I predict Aurene will appear at the end and absorb all the Magic being released by Balthazar and Kralkatorrik but something goes horribly wrong and Aurene runs off some where.
Season 4 then follows up on us trying to locate Aurene but learns we have to deal with Joko if we wish to reach the location where Aurene is in the Southern part of Elona. Once in the Southern areas of Elona we face a new Elder Dragon minion that is appearing from the Ocean/Sea being DSD’s Minions.
Then at the end of Season 4 we see Aurene again but she has grown. Commander and his allies failed to get Aurene back and Aurene then fly off to the South but the Commander learns the reason why Aurene been acting strangely through a vision from Aurene showing events that are happening in Cantha with Nightmarish creatures appearing from within the vision as people scream in fear and the Throne of the Emperor of Cantha becomes engulfed in shadow.
After that the Commander tells his allies that he or she knows Aurene is going to Cantha and they need to prepare a ship to reach Cantha. Thus the poF story finally ends in Season 4 with a big cliffhanger of 3rd Expansion being Cantha.
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You know, I completely forgot about the Dragon “Shiny” living in the hidden city of Ahdashim… Perhaps he will have some cameo in this expansion…
My prediction is that Balthazar’s actions will upset the flame legion and the next expansion will focus on the char.
My prediction is that Balthazar’s actions will upset the flame legion and the next expansion will focus on the char.
Well, no reason for an XPack to not focus on the charr, but as things currently stand the Gold Legion* itself doesn’t seem to be a big enough threat to Tyria to be the reason why an Xpack would focus on the charr. Something would really have to have changed in recent years with them.
*the name gold legion comes from the document “Ecology of the Charr”, a name used for the Flame Legion as an insult, as gold is a very soft metal. The hasn’t been seen in game sadly, but I always liked this insult.
Well, no reason for an XPack to not focus on the charr, but as things currently stand the Gold Legion* itself doesn’t seem to be a big enough threat to Tyria to be the reason why an Xpack would focus on the charr. Something would really have to have changed in recent years with them.
*the name gold legion comes from the document “Ecology of the Charr”, a name used for the Flame Legion as an insult, as gold is a very soft metal. The hasn’t been seen in game sadly, but I always liked this insult.
Of course, the Flame Legion could be the subject of LWS4, considering that the While Mantle were dealt with almost entirely in the span of Season 3. I have no idea what the topic would be, but it’d be good to have more Ascalon expansions.
Well, no reason for an XPack to not focus on the charr, but as things currently stand the Gold Legion* itself doesn’t seem to be a big enough threat to Tyria to be the reason why an Xpack would focus on the charr. Something would really have to have changed in recent years with them.
*the name gold legion comes from the document “Ecology of the Charr”, a name used for the Flame Legion as an insult, as gold is a very soft metal. The hasn’t been seen in game sadly, but I always liked this insult.
Of course, the Flame Legion could be the subject of LWS4, considering that the While Mantle were dealt with almost entirely in the span of Season 3. I have no idea what the topic would be, but it’d be good to have more Ascalon expansions.
Agreed, I’m just not sure the Gold Legion is necessarily the way to go….except…maybe flip it around? Maybe a chunk of the flame legion reconciles with the other high legions (not all, in order to justify flame mobs left in all the older maps) restoring the old Four High Legions, with something else being the foe? Maybe? (ok, no never mind, it was stupid….)
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