Guild Wars 2

I was talking to the herald in Hoelbrak yesterday and he said something along the lines of the dredge were attacking the Shiverpeaks and they must be getting help from something magical. Then I was exploring Timberline Falls and there’s a cave with dredge digging and releasing destroyers minions.

I think that with the dredge free from the dwarves, they have continued digging and have encountered Primordius. They see the dwarves fighting Primordius and decide that the best way to keep the dwarves from coming back and enslaving them is to ally with the dragon. It’s the enemy of my enemy is my friend routine. This would explain all that heat coming from underground.

Thoughts?

Flame Legion seems to be who they’re working with, since there are also FL issues in Diessa. We’ll probably see come… 4 days I think, when the next update comes.

First of all I would like to separate your conclusion from your reasoning. We know just too litle from the prelude to have any sustainable clue who or what is behind all this. Flame legion? Jormag? Primordus? Hey it could even be Menzis (e.g.) as a surprise new antigonist to the game..

Your reasoning however is very nice and I totally can see that the Dredge will look at Primordus and the destroyers with different eyes then us. The question remains though if primordus can and will do the same?? Keep in mind that he wants to do the same thing with the dredge as the dwarfes tried to do and that is to enslave them. So at best he might trick them into being allies for a while.

Well, we already know one thing: the dredge, thanks to the Inquest, previously gained control of a powerful destroyer – the Destroyer of Worlds. This was seen in one of the Sorrow’s Embrace explorable paths, though the means of controlling said destroyer, and the destroyer itself, was said to be destroyed. It is obvious that the dredge view that the destroyers can be turned into weapons.

However, all other interaction between destroyer and dredge results in the destroyers wiping the floor with dredge corpses (and the same goes for destroyer and all other lifeforms).

So destroyers/Primordus won’t willingly cooperate with dredge for all we’ve seen. The only Elder Dragon shown to cooperate (and I use the term loosely) with something else is Jormag with the Sons of Svanir.

Also, I disagree on you saying Primordus wants to enslave dredge – he’s shown no intention of corrupting living beings. Instead, he seems interested only in killing off all living beings. And before you bring up the Destroyer Queen and the eggs from the skritt racial sympathy storyline – the mentor only speculates that it could be a corrupted creature, and those eggs are hatching not just destroyer crab hatchlings, but also full grown destroyer crabs and, I think, destroyer trolls too. The eggs just seem to be portable versions of the only known means destroyers are made – pools of lava.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Also, I disagree on you saying Primordus wants to enslave dredge – he’s shown no intention of corrupting living beings. Instead, he seems interested only in killing off all living beings.

Thats why I said enslaved and not corrupted. What I mean is that if! primordus works together with dredge it won’t be for the dredges best interest but his own. With enslaved I mean it is up to him what to do with them when he is done with them.

Theres alot of options on who could be behind this. We know the Dredge are active in the Wayfarer Foothills and the Flame Legion are active in Diessa Plateau.

However we dont know why the two are attacking now and how it relates to the vents.

Options Ive thought of are:

1. The Dredge and Flame Legion are allied. Considering the Dredge are said to have magical aid and using fire its not impossible. It seems a strange alliance though.

2. The Dredge are being pushed to the surface by Destroyers. At the same time, the surfacing Destroyers are attracting Flame Legion to the area who seek the Destroyers power.

3. Both groups are allied but its due to a Power-Behind-The-Throne. It seems unlikely that Destroyers would be chatty but the Inquest could forseeably use the other too groups as proxys and that would explain the use of magical support for the Dredge and how it relates to the vents.

They are my current three guesses. We will find out more soon at any rate.

mercury ranique.2170:

Thats why I said enslaved and not corrupted. What I mean is that if! primordus works together with dredge it won’t be for the dredges best interest but his own. With enslaved I mean it is up to him what to do with them when he is done with them.

For Elder Dragons, corrupting is enslaving. But either way, you didn’t say “if” before so I thought you meant that you thought it was the case. :P

I don’t know whether this has been in the game for some time or is new, but my norn ranger was talking to the refugee coordinator in Hoelbrak just now and she confirmed that it’s the dredge and the Flame Legion working together. The coordinator in BC also mentions the Flame Legion.

@Tanith: I don’t know if things have changed at all recently, but the Refugee Coordinators have been giving differing accounts in other areas ranging from Dredge to Flame Legion to an Alliance to “We don’t know anything.” So as of the last time I talked to them, I don’t think we have any solid facts, just the rumors streaming in from the refugees.

I’ll have to chase down the link…someone posted it elsewhere on the forum, but there’s a website that tracks the changing things the NPC’s are saying…

Here it is!

Apparently the Hoelbrak coordinator’s been saying that since Feb. 18. Lesson learned: check those NPC’s more regularly!

This is fun!

The Consortium have popped up again during a major catastrophe. Very convenient!

Perhaps this not dragon related at all, but something stirred up by this new group..

I have a feeling we’re gonna be removing this group eventually, lol. Either that or they are the new Palawa Joko (always causing problems, never dying).

Well, the Consortium aren’t evil. They’re just a tad bit amoral, and goes where the money flows.

Palawa Joko isn’t any more evil than any other conqueror, just like many others a-moral. He’ll do whatever get’s him up in his power.

That’s a debatable thing. There very much are evil conquerors (especially in fantasy stories), and Joko enforcing loyalty through negative conditioning isn’t exactly amoral (“If you won’t bow down to me, I’ll starve you and all your families and friends to death!”)

Konig Des Todes.2086:

That’s a debatable thing. There very much are evil conquerors (especially in fantasy stories), and Joko enforcing loyalty through negative conditioning isn’t exactly amoral (“If you won’t bow down to me, I’ll starve you and all your families and friends to death!”)

We’ll just have to seen how he acts once they get around to the Elona expansion, because i can easily see him moving into southern Orr now that Zhaitan is gone. Maybe also him trying to gain control of the remaining Risen as well, since they lost their controller.

His actions after that would depend on what Kralkatorrik is doing in the Crystal Desert, other than resting after its fight with Destiny’s Edge, and whether Palawa sees it as a big enough threat to stall him trying to push into Tyria.

Now back onto the topic at hand…

I’m kinda hoping that Primordius is behind it. From all that we seen of the Elder Dragons so far, they seem to be more “forces of nature” than an actually intelligent evil, and if they are going to be the major villains over the storyline of the game; I want some intelligence in there. If there isn’t, the storyline mostly gets all boiled down to, “Big Evil is here, you most gather allies to stop them!”…

Classic fantasy storyline, but still very generic.

The Elder Dragons are more like “intelligent forces of nature that grow both more powerful and more intelligent as they corrupt more” – since they learn everything they corrupt learned, those which corrupt a lot of intelligent living beings will become very smart in turn.

That probably means Primordus is the dumbest Elder Dragon.

@Konig

Where did we learn about them “learning from those they corrupt”. I don’t remember reading that any where. I don’t see how they absorb the intelligence of the creatures they corrupt. They don’t seem to physical touch the creature, more of their essence that is used to corrupt.

Not trying to say your wrong, I just don’t remember seeing that any where.

Hjorje.9453:

@Konig

Where did we learn about them “learning from those they corrupt”. I don’t remember reading that any where. I don’t see how they absorb the intelligence of the creatures they corrupt. They don’t seem to physical touch the creature, more of their essence that is used to corrupt.

Not trying to say your wrong, I just don’t remember seeing that any where.

In the personal story, it’s stated that Zhaitan knows everything his minions knew the moment they become Risen. This is why he knows so much about the Orders and the Pact.

Im not aware of it being said it applys to other ED’s minions but it would make sense if it did.

@Lutinz

Cool thanks. I have yet to finish my personal story (got side tracked doing other things), which could be why I didn’t realize that. If Zhaitan can do it, I would think the others have a way to do it also. Which would make Primordus the dumbest of all the ED’s like Konig said. LOL

I do think its said to be the case for Jormag – or at least the Sons of Svanir believe Jormag knows all their semi and fully corrupted members do and know. And if it’s the case for two of four active Elder Dragons…

Though Primordus wouldn’t exactly be unintelligent, since he’s still learn all that his minions see, and knowing what one’s minions know wouldn’t (or shouldn’t) raise the Elder Dragons’ IQ – just what they have learned. So if Primordus ever figures out how to translate asuran, then he’d have centuries worth of asuran research to read through…